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Heavy noise problem, Sceptre 37" 1080p - Toshiba HD-A35

post #1 of 44
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Well I am very excited about my new HD-A35, but I can't enjoy it much because there is so much noise in the image. I am hoping someone can at least point me where to look for a solution.

It is hooked up via HDMI to the sceptre, I tried HDMI input select = noise, HDCP input is same exact thing, DVI input = the picture is almost all red, very messed up.

One odd thing is that watching 300 with the blue screen special feature enabled, I can't notice any noise at all in the blue screen part. Looking to the main video I can see all the tons of noise, especially on the pillars and peoples faces, like the stuff is literally vibrating is how bad it is.

Hopefully someone can help, I want to start enjoying my HD DVDs.
Just please don't say I have to buy a new TV lol.
post #2 of 44
Sounds like color space mismatch, i.e. one is on YPbPr and the other is on RGB. I don't know if your player let you manually select HDMI output mode or not. If not, you need get a new TV.
post #3 of 44
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No it's all the same, all hdmi. I have the video selection on 'up to 1080i'. Another fun fact is I can't even get it to go 1080p. If I change the selection to 1080p it still just keeps going at 1080i.
post #4 of 44
300 has digital grain added INTENTIONALLY. It was an artistic decision made to make it look more like the graphic novel. Try another HD-DVD before worrying about it any more.
post #5 of 44
HDMI can ouput either YPbPr or RGB. Normally, palyer and TV can auto negotiate the correct output. But in your case, it seems failed.
post #6 of 44
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Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

300 has digital grain added INTENTIONALLY. It was an artistic decision made to make it look more like the graphic novel. Try another HD-DVD before worrying about it any more.

I mentioned 300 because I thought it was weird how the special feature part didn't display the noise (I'm pretty sure the people's faces in 300 looking like their skin cells are on vibrate mode is not intentional). On Planet Earth for example the sky has purple splotches that vibrate when the camera is still. And the noise is also very noticeable on the trees, it's a kind of shimmering/vibrating distortion(noise) is the best way I can describe it.
post #7 of 44
Do you know what you have your video settings at (Film, Video or Auto)? Have you tried a component connection to rule out the disc?
post #8 of 44
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Tried all 3, auto at the moment. Tried 4 different HD DVDs now. I don't have any component connectors, just the hdmi.
post #9 of 44
I hate to see such a nice HD player hooked up to such a poor TV, interested in trading your *cough* faulty A35 for an A2
post #10 of 44
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Originally Posted by Poolrad View Post

I hate to see such a nice HD player hooked up to such a poor TV, interested in trading your *cough* faulty A35 for an A2

Well it's not a poor TV is it? It's not top of the line but it's 1080p, 8ms, 1000:1 contrast ratio.

No dice on the trade!
post #11 of 44
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Originally Posted by dale5605 View Post

Well it's not a poor TV is it? It's not top of the line but it's 1080p, 8ms, 1000:1 contrast ratio.

well... that and a buck seventy five gets you a medium coffee at the dunkin...

interesting that it won't negotiate a handshake at 1080p... that's probably a clue to the problem... what that clue means, dunno... you sure you checked the colorspace default?
post #12 of 44
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

you sure you checked the colorspace default?

I don't think I have, not sure where that is or whatever.
post #13 of 44
#1, no DVI. Use HDMI -- looks like the TV only has one HDMI port anyway

#2, get Hot Fuzz or even Gods and Generals

#3, calibrate your set w/ DVD Essentials, Avia, Ultimate DVD, etc. or (preferably) have an ISF certified technician do it -- your colors are off

#4, Is this your TV? http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...X37SV-Naga.htm -- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=573173 -- http://www.hdtvlounge.net/news/scept...7-in-lcd-hdtv/

#5, set it to film and 1080i and enjoy your movies
post #14 of 44
Can you set the toshiba's output to 1080i and retest?

I think your set is compatible with a 1080p signal, but its not a true 1080p set.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

#1, no DVI. Use HDMI -- looks like the TV only has one HDMI port anyway

#2, get Hot Fuzz or even Gods and Generals

#3, calibrate your set w/ DVD Essentials, Avia, Ultimate DVD, etc. or (preferably) have an ISF certified technician do it -- your colors are off

#4, Is this your TV? http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...X37SV-Naga.htm

#5, set it to film and 1080i and enjoy your movies

1. Well it doesn't have a DVI port on the TV persay, but clicking through the input channels there is a DVI selection, it is indeed hooked up with the one hdmi port.

2. I got hot fuzz. But yep it is noisey, everyone's faces and the backgrounds look very fuzzy (no pun intended)

3. My TV actually doesn't have that many selections it seems, I've messed with every setting I could in the menu (lamp, brightness, vivid color, blue, green, sharpness, etc.), none of it seems to affect the noise. I don't think advanced calibration would help, this is like a huge problem that is easily noticeable.

4. Yes, that's my kitten.

5. Yep that's what I got it on, I would prefer 1080p but I'll settle for 1080i, however I cannot settle for the intense image fuzziness.
post #16 of 44
Sorry man, but this review pretty much describes what you are seeing.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1963607,00.asp
post #17 of 44
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Can you set the toshiba's output to 1080i and retest?

I think your set is compatible with a 1080p signal, but its not a true 1080p set.

Yea I tried with 'up to 720' as well. I read a review on the TV and they determined it is indeed true 1080p. My xbox 360 displays wonderfully set to 1920 x 1080 resolution over a vga cable, I'm assuming that's 1080p not 1080i.
post #18 of 44
It won't cost you much to test using component cables real quick.
Three single rca's is all you need.
If its a big improvement, then get a decent set of cables.

Of course it also might mean you have an issue with your hdmi input.
post #19 of 44
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Sorry man, but this review pretty much describes what you are seeing.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1963607,00.asp

That review is mean to my TV, I don't like that one bit.

But my xbox 360 looks good, the tv has to use it's video processor for that doesn't it?
post #20 of 44
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Originally Posted by dale5605 View Post

That review is mean to my TV, I don't like that one bit.

But my xbox 360 looks good, the tv has to use it's video processor for that doesn't it?

I don't think it does on the pc input.
That may be your issue.
Try the xbox over component as a test.
post #21 of 44
I think he's just seeing film grain. The part where he says he sees it on 300 but not in the blue-screen portion makes that clear.

Film grain is part of film. That's just the way it is
post #22 of 44
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

I don't think it does on the pc input.
That may be your issue.
Try the xbox over component as a test.

Yea I originally had the xbox running over component until I bought the vga cable because I wanted 1080p and DVD upscaling (the tv doesn't do 1080p on component and the xbox won't upscale DVDs). The picture looked fine on games, DVDs looked like crap because they weren't upscaling, but I didn't notice this intense fuzziness/noise that I do now on the HDMI with the toshiba.
post #23 of 44
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Originally Posted by dale5605 View Post

Yea I originally had the xbox running over component until I bought the vga cable because I wanted 1080p and DVD upscaling (the tv doesn't do 1080p on component and the xbox won't upscale DVDs). The picture looked fine on games, DVDs looked like crap because they weren't upscaling, but I didn't notice this intense fuzziness/noise that I do now on the HDMI with the toshiba.

So try the toshiba with component at 1080i.
From what you have said so far, you are not getting 1080p via hdmi anyway.

Hum, dvds were not upscaling tells me the tv wasn't upscaling.
You can upscale dvds on the xbox up to 720p but only if you set it up as an option.
post #24 of 44
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Originally Posted by dale5605 View Post

Yea I originally had the xbox running over component until I bought the vga cable because I wanted 1080p and DVD upscaling (the tv doesn't do 1080p on component and the xbox won't upscale DVDs). The picture looked fine on games, DVDs looked like crap because they weren't upscaling, but I didn't notice this intense fuzziness/noise that I do now on the HDMI with the toshiba.

If you could post some pictures of this problem, it would help us in the diagnosis a lot.
post #25 of 44
If it is film grain then it's likely the sharpening filter is way to high which is over-emphesising the grain. A test disc like DVE-HDDVD will easily allow you to correctly set the sharpening level (which shoudl be set to off for 1080p sets).

However like the others not sure if it's a technical issue or not so look at all the solutions.
post #26 of 44
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Originally Posted by dale5605 View Post

Well it's not a poor TV is it? It's not top of the line but it's 1080p, 8ms, 1000:1 contrast ratio.

No dice on the trade!

Very poor contrast ratio.
post #27 of 44
Thread Starter 
Here are some pics.

This is the setup screen, the tv channel is on HDCP and it is displaying 1080i.




This is Hot Fuzz, his face is noticeably fuzzy.



Here's a shot of 300 with the special feature enabled, notice the pillars.



Another 300 shot, again the main movie part looks snowy but the special feature looks ok.



This is near the beginning of Planet Earth, they are showing a sandy mountain range, the image is just virbrating with the distortion.



Planet Earth again, I think this is supposed to be the birds against a clear sunset sky, but the sky looks ugly.


I guess I could say everything looks snowy, like bad reception on those old analog tv sets. What you can't tell from the pictures is for example in 300 when I am watching a basically still shot, the pillars are actually moving (snowing), so I don't know what the digital grain is supposed to look like but I think it's worse.
post #28 of 44
Boy, that looks bad .Think that maybe you just got a bad tv?
post #29 of 44
That is definitely an issue with the TV, I've had an D2 and now an XA-2 and it was never that bad, even on the low tier releases like Goodfellas.
post #30 of 44
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Originally Posted by Don Borvio View Post

That is definitely an issue with the TV

I kind of suspected it was the TV, only problem is the TV cost me about 2.5 times more than the HD-A35.

This HD-A35 must be picky about only accepting the best. It will surely bankrupt me buying new TVs, receivers, and sound systems to please it.
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