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did you ever try the monitor audio gold's?
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did you ever try the monitor audio gold's?

Ye sir, I did. I believe I posed my experiences with them earlier in the thread.

Edit: Check out posts # 289 and 295.
post #603 of 6914
Speaking of listening, i haven't heard the PSBs yet now that they're setup as Jason did the final set up, but i will get up to listen after I get the store done being remodeled (or will pop out a set in the new store, of course).
post #604 of 6914
Nuance, I would like to take the time which you and I could make a run down to chicago and hit some of those stores to hear the speakers that we cannot hear in Milwaukee, we can discuss this in more detail at the Speaker Shootout this up coming weekend...

I'm getting a bit excited with the list of speakers that will be coming to my house...
post #605 of 6914
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Nuance, I would like to take the time which you and I could make a run down to chicago and hit some of those stores to hear the speakers that we cannot hear in Milwaukee, we can discuss this in more detail at the Speaker Shootout this up coming weekend...

I'm getting a bit excited with the list of speakers that will be coming to my house...

Heck yeah, that would be fun! Some of my friends are into this stuff, but not as much as you and I. It'd be nice to have someone with the same passion that I have take the trip with me.

We'll chat more soon.
post #606 of 6914
For sure It would be very important to me that I get the chance to hear a full Aerial setup as well as the Paradigm Signatures... The shootout will help for me to get a wider array of manufacturers that I haven't heard yet as well...
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Speaking of listening, i haven't heard the PSBs yet now that they're setup as Jason did the final set up, but i will get up to listen after I get the store done being remodeled (or will pop out a set in the new store, of course).

Terrific! I'm looking forward to reading about your listening impressions!


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For sure It would be very important to me that I get the chance to hear a full Aerial setup as well as the Paradigm Signatures... The shootout will help for me to get a wider array of manufacturers that I haven't heard yet as well...

No doubt. It doesn't sound like the Aerials will make the trip, however. Nonetheless, this is going to be a fantastic event and will get me one step closer to finding my perfect speaker.
post #608 of 6914
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As an update to my "journey" I will be participating in a Wisconsin get together in 6 days (Sunday the 9th) at forum member Warddrv's house. I'll be bringing my 850 Sig's along but will have the opportunity to audition somewhere between 6-12 pairs of speakers, both bookshelf and floor standing. We've even got a gentleman from Next Level Audio attending the event and bringing some goodies – Nice!

Naturally, I’ll be writing up a little review here in this thread and in the Wisconsin GTG thread for each speaker I spend time with. Of course, it’ll just be my opinion’s as usual, so it’s obviously not written in stone. However, even though I’ve got a great pair of speakers the “itch” hasn’t gone away. I enjoy the thrill of the chase almost as much as listening to a great pair of speakers, I think. In leui of this, I will continue to audition speakers, present my thoughts and remain on my journey until I’ve found and purchased what I feel is the perfect speaker for me.

There’s plenty more to come in the next few weeks!
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PM sent...
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

As an update to my "journey" I will be participating in a Wisconsin get together in 6 days (Sunday the 9th) at forum member Warddrv's house. I'll be bringing my 850 Sig's along but will have the opportunity to audition somewhere between 6-12 pairs of speakers, both bookshelf and floor standing. We've even got a gentleman from Next Level Audio attending the event and bringing some goodies - Nice!

Naturally, I'll be writing up a little review here in this thread and in the Wisconsin GTG thread for each speaker I spend time with. Of course, it'll just be my opinion's as usual, so it's obviously not written in stone. However, even though I've got a great pair of speakers the itch hasn't gone away. I enjoy the thrill of the chase almost as much as listening to a great pair of speakers, I think. In leui of this, I will continue to audition speakers, present my thoughts and remain on my journey until I've found and purchased what I feel is the perfect speaker for me.

There's plenty more to come in the next few weeks!


Bah, humbug. Brandon...just go listen to a nice set of Aerials and get it over with. Your quest will be sated. Then you'll be free to set off on the path toward video nirvana.
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Bah, humbug. Brandon...just go listen to a nice set of Aerials and get it over with. Your quest will be sated. Then you'll be free to set off on the path toward video nirvana.

I sure hope I can do so, and soon. Warp and I are trying to convince one of the GTG's attendees to bring his Aerials. One can hope!

Even if I don't get an opportunity with a pair of Aerials, it's gonna be one fun day!
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Bah, humbug. Brandon...just go listen to a nice set of Aerials and get it over with. Your quest will be sated. Then you'll be free to set off on the path toward video nirvana.

Yup, and if they're driven by some Musical Fidelity amps, they get even more exciting.
post #613 of 6914
Speaking of Amps... Emotiva has just announced their new 2 channel Bridgable amp..... Looks like it might stir some things up... I have an XPA-5 on Pre-Order

Here is the link for the XPA-2 http://emotiva.com/xpa2.gallery/photos.html

250 x 2 into 8 ohms
500 x 2 into 4 ohms
1000 watts bridged into 8 ohms

THD 0.007
S/N >100db
Broad band frequency response; 10 to 120K Hz (-3db)
20 to 20K Hz (0.2db)
1600va transformer
120,000uf of secondary capacitance
Glass epoxy boards
1% resisters
Soft start circuit (will not have a high current spike on start up)
Balanced and un-balanced inputs


post #614 of 6914
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Looks nice, Warp. I have the Emotiva LPA-1 amp and think it's amazing for the price. I'll be trading in my LCM-1 for the LMC-2 when it's released as well.
post #615 of 6914
Wow, I didn't know you had all the Emotiva gear... You must be happy with it if your going to upgrade to the LMC-2. I really need to get over to your place to check it out... I would suggest that you bring the amp, but we will have the Anthem A5 coming as far as I know. But I am interested in the build quality of the Emotiva Amps... And I have been keeping my eyes and ears peeled for more info on the DMC-2. Where exactly do you live now... (PM)


Ok back on topic...
post #616 of 6914
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My first update for the new year!

On Sunday February 10, Wardrv (Patrick) was kind enough to hold, as far as I know, the first Wisconsin A/V GTG. His house was comprised of three main rooms with the basement being prefect for the collage of speakers, amplifiers and other various electronics in attendance. I also had the pleasure to meet nearly a dozen members of AVS – very cool group of guys. But what equipment did they bring you ask?

The equipment list is as follows (to the best of my memory):

Front End:

Audio Refinement Pre2 preamp
Earthquake Cinenova Grand amplifier
Pioneer Elite DV47Ai source player
Denon 4308 receiver
Cary Audio Cinema 6 preamp
Emotiva LMC-1 premap and LPA-1 amplifier

Bookshelf Speakers:

Ascend Sierra's
Dana 630's
Dynaudio Contour 1.4's
SVS MBS-01's
Paradigm Studio 20's

Floor Standing Speakers:

Paradigm Studio 100 V4's
Onix Rocket RS850 Signature's
SVS MTS-01's

The follow are my impressions, recollections and opinions. They are not be be used as factual statements or marketing statements. I am just one guy. I will be making separate posts for each speaker review because it is too time consuming to create one large post comprised of all the reviews.

Although I remained quiet for the majority of the day, that certainly doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention. There was a lot to take in and a lot of opinions being tossed out, so I tried to bite my tongue and allow myself to be uninfluenced by others. Also, some of the auditions were difficult because volumes were frequently changed (no level matching), front end gear was frequently swapped out, tower speaker positions never changed so the possibility of too much room interaction was high, and the room was never lacking in conversing. In short, it was hard to focus at times, but getting to know the other AVS members was more important for me anyway.

Finally, all speakers were run full range.
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Audition # 5

Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Bookshelf Speakers


These speakers can be summed up in one word: smooth. They are very pleasant to listen to no matter what the material. The tweeter did not sound laid back or lacking to my ears, nor was it bright or overbearing; just right on the money. The only gripe I had with the tweeter is that it didn't have that open airy feel to it. One could blame the lack of airiness on the room interactions...who knows? The Sierra's had surprising tight, musical and impactful bass depending on the source material. I remember checking to see if the subwoofer was on even though I had already been told it was not (it wasn't). They certainly should be paired with a capable subwoofer, but they can handle 2-channel just fine if one is not on hand.

The Sierra's may have that boxy look that some do not care for, but it didn't bother me one bit. The pair in attendance were smothered in the Piano Black Gloss finish and were simply gorgeous. They were my second favorite speaker in the aesthetics department.

When it was all said and done, I really enjoyed the Ascend Sierra's. They sell for $900 per pair and come highly recommend (by me) for anyone looking for a bookshelf speaker at that price point. Is it the best $900/pair speaker I've heard? No. But the minor issues I had with it are easily surpassed by its ability to simply disappear, image like a son of a gun and play all day long without fatigue. It'd be interesting to hear a tower version of this speaker, perhaps with slightly larger woofers and a dedicated midrange driver (the midrange on the sierra-1's were slightly recessed at times, and the thinness could probably be resolved if you cross over to a capable subwoofer).

The Ascend Sierra is highly recommended.

P.S. The Sierra's may not be the best "speakers" I've heard at this price point, but they are among the best bookshelf speakers. In fact, I'll go against the group and admit that I even preferred them over the Dynaudio C1.4's we heard (crossing over to a subwoofer may change my opinion, but they were run full range). More on that later.
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Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Bookshelf Speakers

These speakers can be summed up in one word: smooth. They are very pleasant to listen to no matter what the material. The tweeter did not sound laid back or lacking to my ears, nor was it bright or overbearing; just right on the money. The only gripe I had with the tweeter is that it didn't have that open airy feel to it. One could blame the lack of airiness on the size constraints...who knows? After all, a bookshelf will never get passed the fact that its size restraints will only let it shine so bright. The Sierra's had surprising tight, musical and impactful bass depending on the source material. I remember checking to see if the subwoofer was on even though I had already been told it was not (it wasn't). They certainly should be paired with a capable subwoofer, but they can handle 2-channel just fine if one is not on hand.

The Sierra's may have that boxy look that some do not care for, but it didn't bother me one bit. The pair in attendance were smothered in the Piano Black Gloss finish and were simply gorgeous. They were my second favorite speaker in the aesthetics department.

When it was all said and done, I really enjoyed the Ascend Sierra's. They sell for $900 per pair and come highly recommend (by me) for anyone looking for a bookshelf speaker at that price point. Is it the best $900/pair speaker I've heard? No. But the minor issues I had with it are easily surpassed by its ability to simply disappear, image like a son of a gun and play all day long without fatigue. It'd be interesting to hear a tower version of this speaker, perhaps with slightly larger woofers and a dedicated midrange driver (the midrange on the sierra-1's were slightly recessed at times, though I am confident this will be resolved if you cross over to a capable subwoofer).

The Ascend Sierra is highly recommended.

So you've heard better $900/pair speakers.... do tell

dc
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Very nice buddy... I second those thoughts... Although I didn't notice the thinness you spoke of.. But I really need to spend more time and have a ton of material to work them over with, the Sierra's are very pleasing speakers, and completely non fatiguing, not bright, or blistering in the highs, just pleasant. Now I can't say that I had enough time with them, but they were great from what I heard from them..

I would have no second thoughts about buying a set of these for any setup I had in mind. Wrapping on the sides of the Sierra's produced a sound that one would not find very often... Bamboo is incredibly dense, and I have never found a speaker to produce the dead sound that they gave back to a wrap on the side.. more dead on the top, but the sides were just a bit less dead.

The design to me is fantastic... Great work Ascend..
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I would have no second thoughts about buying a set of these for any setup I had in mind. Wrapping on the sides of the Sierra's produced a sound that one would not find very often... Bamboo is incredibly dense, and I have never found a speaker to produce the dead sound that they gave back to a wrap on the side.. more dead on the top, but the sides were just a bit less dead.

I have no doubt that this is the case. We have a couple of cutting boards made from bamboo. I think of the Sierras each time I cook ... and, I don't even own a pair.
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So you've heard better $900/pair speakers.... do tell

dc

Vandersteen 1C's for one. They aren't bookshelf speakers, but I never said I've heard better bookshelf speakers; just speakers. See my "P.S." that I added in the review above.

Of course, the Vandersteen's are ugly as sin compared to the Sierra's.
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Very nice buddy... I second those thoughts... Although I didn't notice the thinness you spoke of.. But I really need to

They thinned out some when the dB level was increased into the high 80's, low 90's (judging by ear here). It depended on the listening material, though.
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They thinned out some when the dB level was increased into the high 80's, low 90's (judging by ear here). It depended on the listening material, though.

That's pretty freaking loud. As you alluded to, I am willing to bet that with a sub it would possibly change that for you. I cross mine over to my Hsu VTF-3.3 at 60hz...any higher and I feel I lose some sound quality. There is an owner that crosses his over at 80hz with a JL A F112 with no loss in SQ.

And I don't think the 1C's are that ugly.
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I can't wait to see your opinion of the Onix Rocket 850's.
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That's pretty freaking loud. As you alluded to, I am willing to bet that with a sub it would possibly change that for you. I cross mine over to my Hsu VTF-3.3 at 60hz...any higher and I feel I lose some sound quality. There is an owner that crosses his over at 80hz with a JL A F112 with no loss in SQ.

And I don't think the 1C's are that ugly.

The are to my wife, and I guess her opinion is the only one that matters. I think they are cool looking.

We did have them crossed over to a subwoofer for a little while, but it was in Patrick's bedroom so I couldn't sit in the sweet spot and truly evaluate what I was hearing. And you're correct; that is pretty loud.

I think you can tell that I really liked the Sierra's, even more than the Dyns, which were everyone else's favorites. I'll explain in my Dyn review.
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We did have them crossed over to a subwoofer for a little while, but it was in Patrick's bedroom so I couldn't sit in the sweet spot and truly evaluate what I was hearing.

I would imagine Patrick was the only one allowed in the sweet spot.
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I would imagine Patrick was the only one allowed in the sweet spot.

lol
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I think you can tell that I really liked the Sierra's, even more than the Dyns, which were everyone else's favorites. I'll explain in my Dyn review.

I'm with you Nuance. The Sierra's sounded better than the Dyn's, at least from where I was standing. I was in the same location for both speakers; off to the right and standing. Maybe in the sweet spot the Dyn's would have shined, but off axis they did not. The woofer on the Dyn's washed out the highs. The highs sounded muddied if that's possible. Whereas the Sierra's were clear on the top end and had a nice solid bass.
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I would imagine Patrick was the only one allowed in the sweet spot.

HAHA!
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I'm with you Nuance. The Sierra's sounded better than the Dyn's, at least from where I was standing. I was in the same location for both speakers; off to the right and standing. Maybe in the sweet spot the Dyn's would have shined, but off axis they did not. The woofer on the Dyn's washed out the highs. The highs sounded muddied if that's possible. Whereas the Sierra's were clear on the top end and had a nice solid bass.

BINGO! You pretty much just reviewed the Dyn's for me...or at least their cons anyway. I appreciate you putting your $0.02 in. I thought I was going to get ridiculed all day for preferring the Sierra's.

I also factored the price to performance ratio into my reviewing, and I just didn't feel the Dyn's were worth $3400/pair.

I'll get my review of them up later.
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I would imagine Patrick was the only one allowed in the sweet spot.

If were talking about the Sierra's here;
Ultimately I wasn't in the sweet spot when they were in my bedroom, I was leaning against the window, and they still just wowed me...

If were not talking about the Sierra's, there are plenty of good lookin girls allowed in the sweet spot...
My bedroom is usually referred to as "This is where the Magic Happens !!"

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HAHA!

BINGO! You pretty much just reviewed the Dyn's for me...or at least their cons anyway. I appreciate you putting your $0.02 in. I thought I was going to get ridiculed all day for preferring the Sierra's.

I also factored the price to performance ratio into my reviewing, and I just didn't feel the Dyn's were worth $3400/pair.

I'll get my review of them up later.

I would truly like to see how they did in my room also crossed over to a sub, they might have been a bit bloomy run full range but that would never be how I would run them, nor would I with a floor stander.

I liked the smooth sound of the Dym's and I think they are definately worthy of an audition, whether they are worth the $3200.00 price tag, to me, I don't think so... great little speakers, and I'll bet they can take some serious punishment, but I'm a bang for the buck kind of guy...

We'll see what happens with the next set of speakers.
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