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post #6571 of 6914
Does the person who designed them, Richie I believe, have measurements on and off axis that can be shared?
post #6572 of 6914
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

The WAF-1's were definitely meant to be used with grills on. It takes something like a butterknife to get the grill removed.

In non geek terms, the amount of energy going "sideways, through the grill, then bouncing off the baffle, through the grill and back to the listener, will be quite minimal".

In the article to which Alphaiii linked, the speakers measured peaky "off axis", and the phrase used was "presumably because of the recessed baffle". They did nothing to test this theory, just a presumption.

Brandon, I have not measured, nor heard, any issues off axis.

I am looking forward to what your ears hear.

Harbeth has been doing this for decades, as has Rogers.

Craig,

Thanks for addressing this... I didn't mean to misquote the stereophile article...but you're correct - they didn't actually confirm through testing that the recessed baffle was the cause of off-axis peaks.
post #6573 of 6914
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

The WAF-1's were definitely meant to be used with grills on. It takes something like a butterknife to get the grill removed.

In non geek terms, the amount of energy going "sideways, through the grill, then bouncing off the baffle, through the grill and back to the listener, will be quite minimal".

In the article to which Alphaiii linked, the speakers measured peaky "off axis", and the phrase used was "presumably because of the recessed baffle". They did nothing to test this theory, just a presumption.

Brandon, I have not measured, nor heard, any issues off axis.

I am looking forward to what your ears hear.

Harbeth has been doing this for decades, as has Rogers.

Craig, that makes it sound like it's a presumption that's speculative to the point that it's not based upon anything resembling science. It doesn't appear from the picture that the tweeter is recessed by routing out the surface. To my knowledge that will create an uneveness of response due to cancellation effects. As to how audibly signficant it is, might be another matter.

post #6574 of 6914
Guys .. There are a lot of seasoned audiophiles who have ordered WAF-1's. They will report what their ears tell them with no interference from me or anyone else.

Let's watch for their reports. Until then ... have a drink on me.
post #6575 of 6914
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

I love Vandersteen speakers. That being said, a picture does say 1000 words:


That's one of the reasons I moved on from the 2CE Sig's. They sure sounded sweet, though.

Interesting deduction, Chu Gai. I'll guess I'll hear for myself tomorrow (the scheduled delivery date).
post #6576 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

That's one of the reasons I moved on from the 2CE Sig's. They sure sounded sweet, though.

Interesting deduction, Chu Gai. I'll guess I'll hear for myself tomorrow (the scheduled delivery date).

Well, yeah, but there's really no practical way for you to test whether you can hear the diffraction effects. It's not like you can recess the tweeter. Now if you had a piece of good quality, sound absorptive felt (JD did that when installing drivers...go find the patent!), cut holes for the drivers, maybe then. Gotta love Craig. When he says something is in, it's in!
post #6577 of 6914
Guys ... Keep in mind the grill is part of the design of the speaker. I know it's tempting to remove the grill to look at the driver, but this will slightly lower performance.

There are several reports on TCA's forum ... here is one from today. The author is a gent who has been at our home. He is a true (albeit modest) audiophile.

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Originally Posted by mfeust View Post

I know, I know how do the WAF-1 sound? Well I like them a lot. First impressions, nice sound, neutral and natural but not much bass at all. I let them play for about 20 hours before listening again. WOW what a difference in the bass, much better much lower. Obviously the 5.25 woofer will only go so low, good to about 60Hz in my room but the bass of this speaker down to the 60Hz is very good and tight. The biggest surprise to me was how much sound these little speakers can put out. The WAF-1 will fill any space in any home with more sound than anyone would think by looking at this speaker. Most instruments and vocals sound very real and believable on the WAF-1s.

Now compared to the X-SLS, the X-SLS has more weight and more oomph but does not sound as natural as the WAF-1. I have always liked the sound of the X series speakers. I used the Zune > Gizmo > X-LS in my office 12 hours a day, 5 days a week for several years and really liked this sound. The X series speakers are just filled with warm and fuzzy. The WAF-1s are a great speaker for music and hometheater in a small to medium room. They excell at being very neutral and natural sounding.
post #6578 of 6914
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The WAF-1's are in da house.

You can see that FedEx is on my poopoo list now, as they beat the snot out of the box. Fortunately there was no veneer damage, and the shot I took of the grill-less speaker was the one on the damaged side of the box. So far I see nor hear any audible anomalies that may have been caused by FedEx's stupidity. There is, however, a little scuff mark/smudge on the grill of that speaker, probably due to an impact.

I have dozens of more hours to put in with the WAF-'s, but I must say I am pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect much from a $229, but I have been humbled. These are one heckuva speaker for the price! More to come later.

Enjoy the pics.







post #6579 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

The WAF-1's are in da house.

You can see that FedEx is on my poopoo list now, as they beat the snot out of the box. Fortunately there was no veneer damage, and the shot I took of the grill-less speaker was the one on the damaged side of the box. So far I see nor hear any audible anomalies that may have been caused by FedEx's stupidity. There is, however, a little scuff mark/smudge on the grill of that speaker, probably due to an impact.

I have dozens of more hours to put in with the WAF-'s, but I must say I am pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect much from a $229, but I have been humbled. These are one heckuva speaker for the price! More to come later.

Enjoy the pics.









Fit and finish look great. Keep us posted.
post #6580 of 6914
Got to love the shippers, you never know what will show up at the door.
post #6581 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Meparch View Post

Got to love the shippers, you never know what will show up at the door.

And I thought FedEx was supposed to be better than UPS
post #6582 of 6914
Look pretty cool.
Any quick and dirty impressions Nuance?
post #6583 of 6914
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Randy Bessinger View Post

And I thought FedEx was supposed to be better than UPS

Me too, but I am starting to think otherwise. I am not the only one who's received a FedEx package lately with damage to the box. Not cool.
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Originally Posted by nocrapman View Post

Look pretty cool.
Any quick and dirty impressions Nuance?

The quick and dirty is that these don't sound like $229/pair speakers at all. They are much better than I expected. I'll get more in depth next week after I've put a good amount of time in with them.
post #6584 of 6914
Brandon, Thanks for the update. We are looking into packing the WAF-1's individually, with the "foam-rubber" you received on the ends/partial sides being made to cover the speaker 360 degrees.

Looking forward to more information from you as time permits.
post #6585 of 6914
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

Brandon, Thanks for the update. We are looking into packing the WAF-1's individually, with the "foam-rubber" you received on the ends/partial sides being made to cover the speaker 360 degrees.

Looking forward to more information from you as time permits.

That would be great...
I recently recieved a pair of speakers from Aperion, whose box was practically falling apart due to the beating UPS bestowed upon them, but because of the "foam-rubber" covering the speakers circumferentially, they were pristine and untouched.
Oh and BTW, I might have to pick up a pair, to soothe this curiosity.
post #6586 of 6914
Thread Starter 
Tweak City Audio WAF-1



Before I begin, I have a few things to say... 1) I write really long reviews...jeez. I apologize for that. 2) With that said, it's been a while since I have done this, so forgive me if I am not as methodical and thorough as I have been in the past. I doubt you'll mind, though, as it's long enough as is.

As many of you know Tweak City Audio was founded by fellow forum member and Audio/Video enthusiast, craigsub. With the economy taking a turn, and even though he had just gotten things off the ground, Craig decided to hold off on his plans and cease any further production for a while. Well, that time is over and this month TCA released their first speaker; a monitor-style 2-way called the WAF-1 (we all know what WAF means ).

I ordered a pair of the WAF-1’s, and they arrived Friday afternoon last week. They arrived much speedier than I thought, so kudos to Craig and his team for a quick delivery. The speakers were unmolested, but I sure was worried as the box had a nice punch/dent in it. Close inspection ensued and I discovered no driver or veneer damage (also confirmed in my listening sessions). The only aesthetic anomaly was what looked like a dirt mark transfer where the initial impact occurred. Oh well, I can live with a scuffed grill.

After running the speakers for 5-6 hours downstairs while doing chores upstairs, I went down for my first real listen. I was pleasantly surprised at how “BIG” and enveloping the sound was. The soundstage on Nine Inch Nails’s “The Fragile Left” was literally room filling. Now excited I ensured proper setup and toe-in, cleared the basement of the children’s toys and began to listen. After what seemed like 5 minutes of listening to Daryl Stuermer (it was really 40), I was interrupted and could not listen again until the following week. What I heard had me excited, mostly because the sound was impressive for such an affordable speaker. Still focusing on what I just heard I decided to break out a pair of speakers that I had forgotten I owned and compare them to the WAF-‘s at the next opportunity available. Those speakers were Canton LE103’s. I remember really liking the Canton’s when I purchased them just under a decade ago, and with the price being about double that of the WAF-1’s, not to mention the larger sized driver, I figured it wouldn’t be a fair fight. I was wrong.

The Tracks selected were chosen for no particular reason other than they are what I’ve been listening to lately. Incidentally they are pretty diverse and cover a few different genres of music. The music selection is as follows:

Rob Thomas – “All That I Am”
Daryl Stuermer – “Land Of Confusion”
Dream Theater – “Misuderstood”
Tangerine Dream – “Too Hot For My Chinchilla”
Jack Johnson – “Upside Down”
NIN – “Into the Void”
Diana Krall – “Temptation”
Joe Satriani – “Rubina”


Having the place all to my lonesome was crucial in order to be able to critically review the speakers, so thank God Tuesday was that day. After a quick level match settings check (used pink noise to find the proper dB on the preamp and marked the knob by covering it in masking tape, then notching where each speaker should be turned up or down to. Not exact science, I know, but I didn’t care). I kicked things off with “All That I Am” by Rob Thomas. The dinging of the xylophone (I assume that what it is) extended well beyond the speakers, almost sounding as it was next to me. It grabbed my attention quickly, putting a smile on my face. I know monitor style speakers are suppose to image well, but $229 monitors? Yup. Getting back to it, the vocals were clear and precise, being presented in a very large manner. “Big” and “full” are two words I wrote down while listening. Separation of instruments was also very good, as I easily distinguished everything including the different tones of the xylophone. In comparison, the Canton’s were also very clear, with a slight edginess to them. It became immediately obvious that this speaker had a “brighter” sound to it, with more sibilance/hiss. Some might prefer this because minute details are easier to hear, but I grew weary and fatigued by it later though the audition (more on that to come). Vocals were also big and tall, but thinner sounding. The sound stage was large and imaging was precise. I’d call it a draw as far as those two attributes go. Separation of instruments was also good, with the subtle nuances being a tad easier to hear through the LE103’s.

Next up was Daryl Struermer’s “Land of Confusion.” I love guitar, something that is fairly obvious if you know me. What can I say other than Daryl (ex-Genesis member) can play! Starting off with the Canton’s this time the instruments were clear, with an “in your face” presentation. The hits to the cymbals were a little shrill, with too much sibilance. Back in the day I was drawn to a brighter sound, as I didn’t know any better and maybe due to my room acoustics, but these days it’s just too much. Daryl’s guitar was very clear and had a big sound, though not as big as the WAF-1’s. It was also a little thinner sounding than I thought it should be. Maybe it’s the recording (we’ll see)? Bass was punchy and tight; slightly better than the WAF-1’s due to lower extension and larger woofer. Moving on to the the WAF-1’s was like listening to a better recording of the same song. There was no midrange thinness or forwardness to it. It wasn’t laid back, but rather smooth and groovy. This was the song that I started bobbing my head to and that really got me into the music. My focus shifted from “analytical reviewer” to “music lover.” What I did write down was that the ambience of the song was superb. Everything was captured pretty precisely. It was definitely a more “you’re there” experience than on the Canton’s. The sound stage was a little larger on the WAF-1’s, but neither of them blew my mind in this area (the recordings fault, maybe). The bass line of this track is very groovy, and it came across very well, with a nice fullness to it (but thinner on the Canton’s, regardless of the larger woofer). Separation of instruments was good, with everything being clear. Again the Canton’s were clearer, but at the expense of my ears telling me to run for the treble knob and turn it down (it was disengaged on my preamp, in case anyone cares to know).

Moving along to another rock n’ roll tune I threw on Dream Theater’s “Misunderstood.” DT is my favorite band, as they can pretty much do anything they want (concerning rock and metal styles) and still be impressive. Their recording quality varies from good to not good, but their production makes up for it. Listening through the WAF-1’s the acoustic guitar and ambience in the beginning of the song was enveloping. The sound stage was very large, extending many feet beyond the speakers on both sides. It had a 3-D, holographic presentation, which I immediately appreciated (I am a sucker for that). Overall the sound was very neutral, with tight, lean bass and airy highs. The ambience and air in the vocals clearly came through, giving James’ voice a holographic presentation (just as it’s supposed to). Usually when I listen to Rock ‘N Roll/Metal styles I could care less about the vocals and I just focus on the musicianship of each band member other than the vocalist, but this was not the case listening to this song. I mainly focused on vocals because I love the way they were recorded and how they were reproduced through the WAF-1’s. In contrast, the Canton’s also captured the ambience and holographic sound, with a little more detail being captured. In that sense the holographic sound was enhanced, but the voice sounded thinner (again), and the sibilance walked the line of too much. Bass was more extended and punchy through the Canton’s, as it should be with the bigger driver. At this point I decided to forgo running both speakers full range and instead cross over to my subs. I was desperately missing the low extension that neither monitor provided (no fault of theirs, as there is only so much one little driver in a small enclosure can do), not to mention the midbass punch. The midrange on both speakers opened up a little due to this, so it was win win for me.

After a short break due to fatigue (perhaps from the Canton’s) the next track up was Tangerine Dream’s “Too Hot for My Chinchilla.” What a great title! Tangerine Dream would probably be considered “New Age,” or “Outer Space” music…who knows? Listening through the Canton’s the sound was clear with an overbearingness to it. The sound stage was a decent size, but not enveloping. This is an instrumental song, and overall it had good ambience through the LE103’s, but was a little thin and lackluster. Swapping over to the WAF-1’s gave me more of the sound I was looking for; fuller, bigger and more neutral. The thinness was gone, at the expense of a little loss of clarity. Sitting through this atmospheric song, I much preferred the fuller, more neutral sound as opposed to thin and bright. Sure, details were a little harder to hear, but I think it was a more accurate presentation. If not, I didn’t care because I preferred it. I should note that the bass response was much better having crossed both speakers over to the subs. And yes folks, I ran them flat (used REW to be sure).

Jack Johnson’s “Upside Down” was the next tune to be heard. This track has great bass and is very well recorded (most of Johnson’s stuff is). Through the WAF-1’s Jack’s voice was very clear and had a large presence. I was easily able to distinguish the vocal harmonies, as well as the decay of the instruments in the end of the song. Sibilance was a little bright, but not too bad. Finally, the sound stage was a decent size, but not as big as on some of the other tunes. Listening through the Canton’s Jack’s voice was very clear, while being slightly thinner (are we seeing a pattern here?). No offense to those who like an “in your face” upper midrange and high frequency sound, but it was just ruining the human voice for me. My ears told me “no more,” but I trekked on. Imaging was precise, just as it was on the WAF-1’s, with the sound stage being a little smaller through the LE103’s. At the end of the song I took another break; just couldn’t take the edginess anymore I guess…

After my break I decided to try out some Nine Inch Nails. Everything I’ve read about Trent Reznor has been positive, with many people proclaiming he’s a master of sound. Well, his music isn’t for everyone but I understand why people praise his efforts. His skills cannot be described accurately, and you just need to experience them, so I won’t bother with that. I will say that the dude knows how to produce an album, though. Moving forward, “Into the Void” was very clear through the Canton’s. They threw a huge sound stage and produced pinpoint imaging. I could easily hear the panning of whispers throughout. I won’t go into describing the bass, as it was mostly the subwoofers, but NIN provides plenty of it, and it’s just so cool to experience. Swapping over to the WAF-1’s resulted in no less of clarity, with the sound stage growing larger and imaging improving a little bit. At times during the song some of the sounds seemed to be coming from directly next to my left ear. Cool! The overall presentation was smoother and easier to listen to, but without ruining the ambience of the song. Honestly, this song was cool through both sets of speakers.

The second to last track was “Temptation” by Diana Krall. I don’t often listen to Jazz, but the set of pipes that Miss Krall has makes me more enthusiastic about it. The song opens with a cool bass line than just screams “smooth, dadio, smooth (picture a sly looking kat with a smoke in his mouth, a slick straw hat and an aura of subtle confidence surrounding him…kind of like those dudes in Back To The Future part 1 who played music at the school dance).” The song never really “picks up,” but it just has that ultra cool swagger to it. I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but I can “dig it.” Anyway, Diana’s voice was very clear and powerful through the WAF-1’s. It was both large and full. The sound stage was averaged sized, and instrument separation was very good. Sibilance was decent, with good timbre of instruments. The piano sounded very large and enveloping. Moving onto the Canton’s clarity was slightly improved, while Miss Krall’s voice was not (thinned out, AGAIN). Her vocals lost their power IMO. Separation of instruments was a cinch, while cymbal sibilance was overbearing. I don’t know how I lived with the HF’s of these LE103’s almost a decade ago. Finally vocal ambience was good and the sound stage size was slightly smaller than through the WAF-1’s.

My final song choice is one that has grown dear to me: Joe Satriani’s Rubina. It’s a beautiful song that Joe wrote for his wife (Rubina). It’s an instrumental, but I still can’t help but feel the emotion that went into it, as if Joe was singing sweet nothings to his love. In other words, vocals were not necessary for me to “get it,” as the music speaks to me on its own. While listening to “Rubina” through the LE103’s the sound stage was large and instruments were very clear, but with edginess to them. Imaging was great, but cymbal sibilance was piercing at times. “Rubina” has a lot of ambience to it, but there was almost too much; it kind of ruined the presentation for me, taking away some of the enveloping fullness. Once the lead guitar kicked in I had had enough of the Canton’s – it was thin and smaller sounding than I remember. Quickly swapping over to the WAF-1’s my confidence was restored in the song. There was no loss of detail, though they were a little harder to make out, and the sound stage was even bigger, sustaining that sense of ambience and fullness. The lead guitar sounded MUCH bigger and holographic this time, and the triangles were as easy to make out as they were on the Canton’s, but with a more accurate presentation (not too much ZING). I was surprised to have again connected with a song emotionally while listening to the WAF-1’s? Why? Because price is always on my mind, and it’s so easy to ignore a speaker in a lower price bracket. I guess I am little bias in that I usually pass over said speakers, but shame on me if I would have passed over this one (I won’t be making that mistake for future listening sessions).

To be sure I wasn’t all enthusiastic about the WAF-1’s solely based on the fact that, in comparison the Canton’s made them superstars, I went through the entire catalog of songs again later that evening when the family went to bed, this time only listening to the WAF-1’s. Yup, they still had that magic that a $200ish speaker shouldn’t (or so I thought).

In conclusion, listening to the WAF-1’s was a bit humbling for me. They performed superbly for their asking price, while having a look that will pass WAF (hence the name). Did I expect them to hang with my SongTower’s? No. Did they? No. Should they have? No. What they do for less than $300, however, is throw a huge sound stage, give the listener a sense of neutrality that I have not found in any other speakers in this price bracket and help introduce the listener to some very good sound quality, all while not evening coming close to breaking the bank. For an “entry level speaker” you’re getting a heckuva lot for your money in my opinion. Do they have flaws? Of course. However, are you really going to gripe about them considering the cost of the speaker and how minor they are in retrospect? Only you can answer that, but my answer is “nope.”

For what it’s worth, I was expecting a good product, but not this good. No, let me re-phrase: not this good for this little. They aren’t giant killers, but I think they are very good for the money. Yup, I cannot get past the price/performance ratio when it comes to audio. Sue me. I’d love to see more comparisons made, with B&M’s being the main focus (stuff found in Best Buy and what not). I think anyone that is considering Bose or some cheap HTiB really needs to consider going this route instead. Bose has a great marketing team, but they don’t have the sound quality that these little WAF-1’s do. I don’t know if TCA offers a trial period like some other ID companies, but if not I’d still say take the risk. You may just be blown away by what these speakers can do for the price.


For those interested, here is the WAF-1's frequency response (measured at one meter in my room. I will try to take everything outside and get a more anechoic-like measurement if I can):

post #6587 of 6914
Wow.
Nice write up.
I'm listening to them now.
Later I'll switch back and forth with my ELT525M's.
In my office setting they aren't set up optimally, but now I want to move things aroung to play with the sound stage.

Thanks.

Mike
post #6588 of 6914
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

Guys ... Keep in mind the grill is part of the design of the speaker. I know it's tempting to remove the grill to look at the driver, but this will slightly lower performance.

There are several reports on TCA's forum ... here is one from today. The author is a gent who has been at our home. He is a true (albeit modest) audiophile.

Sounds like a great product. Any recommendation on what the maximum volume HT room these might be good for when mated with a good (eg: Hsu) subwoofer?
post #6589 of 6914
Nice write up. Is the grill magnetic?
post #6590 of 6914
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Wow.
Nice write up.
I'm listening to them now.
Later I'll switch back and forth with my ELT525M's.
In my office setting they aren't set up optimally, but now I want to move things aroung to play with the sound stage.

Thanks.

Mike

Cool. I am curious to see what you think. Do keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

Nice write up. Is the grill magnetic?

No, it's recessed in so it flush mount.
post #6591 of 6914
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Originally Posted by modoheo View Post

Sounds like a great product. Any recommendation on what the maximum volume HT room these might be good for when mated with a good (eg: Hsu) subwoofer?

We have a 5.1 set up in a 3700 cubic foot room using a prototype of our dual ten inch sub (and alternating this with an Outlaw LFM1-EX), using a Denon 3808 receiver, and this system will generate more SPL than I can comfortable tolerate for more than a couple of minutes.

It's hard to give an exact size, because of differeng expectations in SPL. But for many, if not most, the WAF-1's will provide terrific performance in rooms even over 4000 cubic feet.
post #6592 of 6914
Nuance,

Glad you had a chance to try the WAF-1's out and to hear that craigsub's operation is up and running. Nicely detailed review and, apparently, speakers, as well! You may wish to open a new thread (apologies if you did and I missed it) on the topic, however, as most folks in the market for these speakers are unlikely to think to look here, even if they are a "perfect" value.
post #6593 of 6914
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Originally Posted by howaboutthat41 View Post

Nuance,

Glad you had a chance to try the WAF-1's out and to hear that craigsub's operation is up and running. Nicely detailed review and, apparently, speakers, as well! You may wish to open a new thread (apologies if you did and I missed it) on the topic, however, as most folks in the market for these speakers are unlikely to think to look here, even if they are a "perfect" value.

TCA WAF-1 Thread


Mike
post #6594 of 6914
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the link, Mike. I really should have posted the review there, so I just did. I hope no one minds.
post #6595 of 6914
I wonder how the WAF compares to the AV123 Xls or the paradigm Atom, both of which used to be priced similarly...
post #6596 of 6914
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Originally Posted by nocrapman View Post

I wonder how the WAF compares to the AV123 Xls or the paradigm Atom, both of which used to be priced similarly...

TCA WAF-1 vs. av123 ELT525M mini monitors etc thread

Comparison of WAF-1 vs. X-SLS link


Mike
post #6597 of 6914
Nuance, have you ever heard NIN's downward spiral on super audio? If not, you must check it out as it may very well be the best recorded stuff I've ever heard!
post #6598 of 6914
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Originally Posted by PioBeer View Post

Nuance, have you ever heard NIN's downward spiral on super audio? If not, you must check it out as it may very well be the best recorded stuff I've ever heard!

Unfortunately no. But now I have something to pick up next time I am CD shopping. Thanks for the tip, Piobeer!
post #6599 of 6914
Thanks for so many great comparisons. I read the 1st couple of pages, the reviews and the last couple otherwise I'd have been here a week!

I'm on my search for my speakers for my first 5.1 set up and thus far Paradigm Studio 100 V5's are top on the list with B&M CM's. I've only had the opportunity to listen to what's available locally but you've definitely opened my eyes up to Song. Others I've tried include Focal, Def Tech, Energy and a few others but I believe the Paradigms & B&W sound best here locally. I'd like to audition those in my house with the Songs, Aperion, Ascend & Axiom to determine who'll get my money... and others if anyone recommends them.

Is the price for the Songs on their website for a pair of towers? It doesn't list is specifically and I was wondering. Thanks again, it's been very informative!
post #6600 of 6914
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Originally Posted by irishluck73 View Post

Thanks for so many great comparisons. I read the 1st couple of pages, the reviews and the last couple otherwise I'd have been here a week!

I'm on my search for my speakers for my first 5.1 set up and thus far Paradigm Studio 100 V5's are top on the list with B&M CM's. I've only had the opportunity to listen to what's available locally but you've definitely opened my eyes up to Song. Others I've tried include Focal, Def Tech, Energy and a few others but I believe the Paradigms & B&W sound best here locally. I'd like to audition those in my house with the Songs, Aperion, Ascend & Axiom to determine who'll get my money... and others if anyone recommends them.

Is the price for the Songs on their website for a pair of towers? It doesn't list is specifically and I was wondering. Thanks again, it's been very informative!


Hi I couldn't quite tell--are you asking about pricing for the SongTowers? If so, all of the prices are for a pair, not individually.
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