Olevia 65 inch 1080p lcd - Page 5

Just shine a flashlight into a mirror and then into the wall. Which one reflects more light back into your eyes?

what are they not going to use the hqv chip anymore?

That's the $64K question. If the SO HQV Realta processor is far superior (as I have read and come to believe), why don't more manufacturers use it? So what if it costs a little more? I believe most consumers would be willing to pay for the superior PQ. IMO, even the biggies (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, etc.) should be using this processor.

That article is a good summary of arguments for for 1080p vs 720p, coming out clearly in favor of 1080p. So Itagg, the argument for you to take your plasma back and come home with the 1080p LCD as far as that article is concerned, is not even addressing the LCD versus plasma argument, just 1080p vs 720p as far as viewing currently available sources. Clearly, if you are going for longevity with this purchase, 1080p is a no brainer as far as I am concerned. I never even considered going for the 720p displays despite their attractive prices these days. However, in your case, the bright room dilemma is likely to be even more reason to consider taking back the plasma. If there are any light sources that you could see if you placed a mirror where you are going to put your TV, then the plasma will drive you nuts... at least it would me. the problem is not so much that the light will wash out the image on the screen (and that is a problem for all displays, LCD and Plasma alike- though less so for thew LCD just because it is brighter), but that you will see the room and probably yourself reflected in the glossy screen of the plasma but not in the LCD. I find those reflections hard to ignore. My former CRT RPTV had a fairly glossy screen and I had to train myself not to see the reflections... and this was always with the blinds closed. With the blinds open, I couldn't watch it during the day at all. With the Olevia 65", I can watch the TV with the blinds open unless the sun is coming almost straight in the south facing window. I close them anyway because that is a huge window (about 8' by 4.5') and it is directly opposite the TV, but I could certainly see the image. The 3' by 4.5' window which faces east and is on the wall directly to the right side of the TV about 3' away from the TV wall can be open during the day and the TV looks just fine. Never see a reflection on it. On the picture I linked to in my previous post - the one of the TV that shows more of the room, an overhead chandelier with 4 40w lamps is on and the only reflection is a little glare on top of the bezel. If the TV was a mirror, you would see the room reflected and the chandelier would be clearly visible in the picture (as would I). If that had been my old TV you would have seen me mixed in with the TV picture.

Acoustic...Went by SC again this afternoon....I think I'm about to be swayed to take back the Pio 6070 (SC now has the one demo left and it is on sale for $2693) and get the Olevia---my wife is going to shoot me if I do. Apparently, the Realta processor in this thing is what really makes it shine---but darn it's HEAVY. I have to admit, I was mesmerized watching the video loop of the NHL hockey action they had playing..as well as the snippets of Olympic coverage...The larger sized screen really draws you in...I guess I'm just a little gunshy of the reliability of the Olevia brand (however, everything I'm reading on AVS about this TV makes me believe this is just a rebadged Sharp but with a WAAAY better processor)...But SC seems to always stand behind the products they sell and their extended warranties are reasonably priced. As we all do from time to time, I'm being to rationalize the extra cash outlay the Olevia will take in my head..."Okay, so if I wait to get xxx for a couple of months and don't do yyy for a month or so then I can afford it...If I do buy it, in my built-in entertainment center in the living room that it will go in, I will literally have 1" clearance on either side and about 2-3" on the top and bottom for this bad boy...I asked the SC electronics guy if they had gotten much feedback on the set and apparently they had not sold many...What to do???

I hear your delima and have been in the same sort of fix myself. I could talk myself into putting out 6 or 7 kilobucks for a step up to the 65" Sharp 93u, or for absolute video fidelity, the 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro. However, in the case of the Pioneer, size matters... the issue of reflections also enters into it. I could shell out another 2k or so for better light controlling window treatment and maybe sit a little closer... and in the case of the Sharp, would the better uniformity of the backlight (if that indeed is the case...) and 120hz change the bang for the buck equation enough to spring for the Sharp??? Ironically, the video proccessing prowess of the HQV chip on the Olevia doesn't enter into it for me much because I am sending all of my signals through a $3500 video processor and it would be enough to just have a display that could accept a 1080p input. My one wish as far as capability goes, that is not supported in this display as far as I can tell, would be that this display would natively accept 108024p input...

Stopped by another Sams yesterday, was able to take a better look at the 265T against other displays, noticed the black level with many of the plasmas was actually much weaker than the 265T and other LCD's.

The Pioneer was not there, I know these are much better, I would tell you to make sure you have the latest version of the Pioneer you can.

Acoustic....Congrats on the Chargers win! I'm assuming you were watching the trouncing of the Colts on the 65" Olevia...Watching the game today did you notice any motion blur/artifacts? Just curious because the set is a 60hz version, not the 120hz version that seems to be preferred these days...At SC the other day I thought I saw some motion blur on some of the Olympics clips but I'm not sure it wasn't the source material since it was being split about 30-40 different ways. Truthfully, I think sometimes we get hung up on specs and forget to trust the one thing that matters, our eyes... FWIW, I envy you living in SD...Been out there many times...Last summer we rented a house in LaJolla...(I knew I was out of my league when I was at the 7-Eleven filling up the rental minivan and at one pump was a Ferrari and at another was a Lamborghini...)

Thanks! You bet I was watching... I am stoked about the Chargers win. I really didn't notice motion blur during the game. I can see it if I really focus on it, but is always hard to know if what you are seeing is the compression on the signal (MPEG), the way it was shot, or just the way fast moving objects appear in reality. Just try waving your hand back and forth while holding your head and eyes still. Do you not see your hand blur during the movement? IOW, I haven't notice any unusual artifacts that detract from the viewing experience as regards the motion on this TV. Seeing trails would bother me me to no end, and on some older LCD tv's and monitors, it used to. For my tastes, the motion I see on this TV is very realistic and smooth. I have no complaint in that regard for action scenes this TV. The response specs from the manual state a grey to grey response time of 6 milliseconds, which should be a better measure of actual performance than black to white and back again. There is no commonly agreed upon way to measure response times and therefore not much benefit in comparing response times the way you can with amplifier power and RMS ratings at a stated impedance. There was supposed to be one agreed to by the VESA standards committee last year I think, but as far as I know, nothing has been adopted as yet. Nothing that I have seen quoted in manufacture's published specs. It would be nice if you could rely upon such specs as contrast ratio, and response time etc., but... I remember when I used to spec projectors before there was a standard way to measure the brightness of a projector. You just had to try them in the environment that you were going to use it before you would know that it would be a viable choice. Then they started to use the ANSI lumen spec and you could at least be assured that you were comparing apples to apples...

Respectfully, this has been true for the now-old 2006 Samsungs, but over on the LN-Txx61F/LN-Txx65F thread, it is indicated that this problem is largely eliminated when using the HDMI-1 input on the 1080p 2007 models.

Also, the LN-Txx61F, LN-Txx65F, and LN-Txx53H PDF manuals have removed the restriction of not connecting DVI/HDMI to the HDMI-1 input, like on the 2006 Samsungs. (I haven't looked at the LN-Txx42H manual.)

So, I think that the fact that the old models have had trouble with this, and that the LN-Txx61F/LN-Txx65F have it fixed, I am hopeful for the same improvement in the LN-Txx53H series.

Now, who can confirm?

Cheers!
-Greg

neutare02, are you sure you're in the right forum?

How did you get the TV home from Sam's Club?

That is friggin hilarious Dad!

When I got my 57" Sharp it was so heavy I had to have a custom Lexan top cut for it on my Bello Stand = 164 lbs and it feels heavier than that and the new D94 65" is supposed to weigh around 40 lbs less than my 57" and the weight of this Olevia is amazing and most Olevia's seem to carry alot more weight. Hope the new owners are enjoying their panels as it's not like you can pack it under your arm and carry it back.

I'm holding out for the D94 provided it can match the 71 series and XBR4 and now that it'll be fully ten bit it should. For those uncertain about support and the future it may not be a bad idea on the Olevia to insure it via an extended warranty as Syntax has had financial problems in the past and at least if something happens to the company your covered by something other than an Olevia during post warranty support - that's what I did with 1call on my Sharp as I wasn't going to gamble that kind of money on a 1 yr warranty and I took it to four.

Well enjoy guys - HT immersion is fantastic!

A crane would be quite handy with this beast, but I find that my trusty ol toyota PU and a case of beer worked just fine... just be sure you don't pass out the beer before the TV is out of the box! Actually, Sam's people helped me load it up and my son and I unboxed and carried in the house. Fortunately, there were only 4 steps into the house, but I can tell you it was an anxiety provoking chore simply because it is so heavy and delicate at the same time. My advice would be to take the box in the house and unbox it as near as you can to its final resting place. Carrying the unprotected TV up even a few stairs is risky, but it worked out okay for me.

Be sure that you stand the TV up in the truck and use adequate strapping to keep it from tipping over and then go very slow on the way home...

My son and I shimmied our 265T into our Minivan, once home unboxed and carried 20' from the garage to the HT. Mistake, should have unboxed in the HT!

This is really a heavy TV, when I was in the business the Sony 36"CRT's were a beast, this was more difficult to handle, enjoyed it though, love looking at the 265T on or off!

Noticed several programs when going to a "video black" in between scenes the picture seems darker and more even. Have added 2 50 watt GE 65K bulbs with Uplights from Lowes, not sure as yet but the effect does seem to enhance the Blacks.

Congrats! I hope you like your new humongus TV... Mine is really growing on me. Overall, a great picture. Question... Are those Fluorescent lamps that you got? Still looking to add some 6500k backlight to mine. Thanks...

TS45: Any pics you can share of your setup, both with TV on and off? I'd love to see some details of the uplights you mention...Thanks.

Have yet to post any photo's, will work on that.

The lights are basic incandescent, just wanted to test backlighting, lamps 6.50 ea, bulbs 2.50, 50 watts each. Have mounted to the sides and behind the 265T.

GE makes a "Reveal" line of incandescent bulbs, etc. This may seem a little bright, yet it seems enough light must be used to make a difference in low level scenes.

Yes, we like our new 265T, many, many gains over what we had. I know at least 65" is a must for our room, really want to avoid a return if possible. Any TV can be picked apart, much rather be satisfied with a purchase. I tried early on to find the "perfect CRT", never found it. In fact all the comparisons and research kind of made HT not as fun, too worried about achieving the Holy Grail. Now here we sit with a 65" 1080p TV with too die for resolution and picture, not bad!

TS45: Just wondering...What other sets were you considering? Also, how large is your room? Viewing distance? I measured my living room tonight again and viewing distance will be 13-15 feet---quite a ways away....I'm thinking more and more that the Pio 6070, while a great set in its own right, may not have quite the screen size I need. Plus, as I mentioned in a previous quote, this room is "sunbathed" to say the least which doesn't bode well for plasma. Forgot to ask...Since I've got kids, how is this TV for gaming?

Your kids will go blind. It is 65 inches. Buy them a 21" CRT from walmart and explain to them how you walked through snow to get to school every day. Hook up a nintendo and show then what games looked like when you played video games.

I saw the 65" olevio again tonight. It is huge compared to all the other flat panels in the store.

Itagg, I'm not a gamer, sorry.

With the Pioneer, again I would tell you to get the latest greatest and spend alittle more. I really have not compared them, or even seen the Pioneer other then Best Buy, they looked great there.

Biggest choice, Plasma or LCD?

Fit perfectly in the back of a mini-van. The wife helped me slide it out to the ground.

Agree that it is best kept in the box all the way inside.

Qwerty: Would it fit in the back of a Honda Odyssey (with 2nd row seats removed)? I'm curious if it also has an "inner box" like the Pio 6070 had....Only ask because the SC guy helping me when I bought the 6070 had to remove the Pio outer shipping box to get to the smaller box (containing the plasma itself) because the shipping box was too tall for the hatch opening on the Ody. He discarded the shipping box there at the store...Pio is still sitting unopened as I debate on how I'm going to tell my wife that I may be taking it back to SC for something bigger and more expensive (ie the 265T)

Cipro: Can you share any pics of how it looks mounted on the wall? Any tips on how to get the base off? Thanks.

No inner box... 44 3/8" tall by 66 1/2" long by 20" deep... If you are going to have any static images up for very long times, particularly at high brightness and/or contrast settings, then you can tell her that upon further research yada yada yada, you decided that an LCD is the way to go to protect your investment for the long term. A perfectly resonable argument that has truth going for it...

1920x1200 > 1920x1080
Newly Purchased P241w check it out here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObNQWhqHo4

...an then comes the roll of the eyes and the "whatever...it's your money" comment from her..LOL...Thanks for the precise measurements...I'll have to meaure to see if this beast will fit...

sorry been busy....

the base is screwed into the tv at the bottom side of the base...I had to lay the tv on a couch so I could get to the underside of the base.....once you get those screws off its easy.....the base must weigh 40lbs...and its much easier to move the tv with the base off...I will do my best to take some pictures tonight....

Thanks. I would appreciate it...