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post #211 of 1760
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post
Thanks, this is interesting. I believe the 265TFHD is the 60Hz model. Olevia did announce a 120Hz model at CES. I wonder when that new model will be available. Any ideas?
Yes Olevia did announce 120Hz models at CES. They had two 65" 120Hz prototype models on display.

Attached is the handout that Olevia gave out at CES for its 2008 lineup of LCD HDTV sets. The Olevia rep told me the 120Hz models would ship in April.

 

Olevia 2008 LCD-1.pdf 380.115234375k . file

 

Olevia 2008 LCD-2.pdf 491.56640625k . file
post #212 of 1760
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Originally Posted by OrangeKid View Post

Yes Olevia did announce 120Hz models at CES. They had two 65" 120Hz prototype models on display.

Attached is the handout that Olevia gave out at CES for its 2008 lineup of LCD HDTV sets. The Olevia rep told me the 120Hz models would ship in April.

New 6 series????? that can play musak and pyxes, yummmmmmm

Other models are just 120hz versions of yore.
post #213 of 1760
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Originally Posted by OrangeKid View Post

Yes Olevia did announce 120Hz models at CES. They had two 65" 120Hz prototype models on display.

Attached is the handout that Olevia gave out at CES for its 2008 lineup of LCD HDTV sets. The Olevia rep told me the 120Hz models would ship in April.


According to the second data sheet (Olevia 2008 LCD-2.pdf) , only the 7-series models use the Silicon Optix processor.

It says that the 265TFHD uses an AMD processor. How odd is that ?
post #214 of 1760
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Originally Posted by OrangeKid View Post

Yes Olevia did announce 120Hz models at CES. They had two 65" 120Hz prototype models on display.

Attached is the handout that Olevia gave out at CES for its 2008 lineup of LCD HDTV sets. The Olevia rep told me the 120Hz models would ship in April.

I'm more interested in the 7H Series with the SiO Realta HQV VP in sizes 42", 47" 52" and 65".

Missing from the new lineup is the 2 Series 55" (MTK VP, 60 Hz) now on sale for 2K at Costco website.
post #215 of 1760
The 2007 265t FHD which is the main reason for this thread does use the SO Realta chip. It almost seems, since it hasn't been touted or promoted as much as the 7 series by Olevia, that the 265t FHD currently available is a test case for them to see how well they could do with the larger panel sizes and the integration of the higher end video processor. It is more feature rich even than the 07' 747 in that it has a sub woofer and digital audio out. The only advantage of the 08' 765 over the 07' 265t fhd visible from the spec sheets seems to be the 120hz capability, and that is of questionable value in my opinion. If it can to 5/5 pulldown for 24p material, then that would be advantageous but you can't say from the spec sheets whether or not it does...

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Originally Posted by bcope01 View Post

I'm more interested in the 7H Series with the SiO Realta HQV VP in sizes 42", 47" 52" and 65".

Missing from the new lineup is the 2 Series 55" (MTK VP, 60 Hz) now on sale for 2K at Costco website.
post #216 of 1760
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Originally Posted by acousticartist View Post

The 2007 265t FHD which is the main reason for this thread does use the SO Realta chip. It almost seems, since it hasn't been touted or promoted as much as the 7 series by Olevia, that the 265t FHD currently available is a test case for them to see how well they could do with the larger panel sizes and the integration of the higher end video processor. It is more feature rich even than the 07' 747 in that it has a sub woofer and digital audio out. The only advantage of the 08' 765 over the 07' 265t fhd visible from the spec sheets seems to be the 120hz capability, and that is of questionable value in my opinion. If it can to 5/5 pulldown for 24p material, then that would be advantageous but you can't say from the spec sheets whether or not it does...

The 7 series allows RGB control to offset the colors, so you can dial in a real 6500k.
The 2 series forces you to use only what the factory gave you, so you're stuck with their overly warm 6500k. This is probably why most people prefer the bluer native, although the colors are more off.

That, the amp, speakers, supporting circuits, cabinet design, and the polarized glass (and weight) are the other main differences.
Otherwise they use the same Panel re: same size.

About the 5:5.

You should read up on cadences, particularly 24p cadences, then read up on how the Realta handles cadences.

I think you'll find that the Realta (and one other VP) based TVs don't need 120 hz.

and 120 hz will only benefit and and quite limitedly, lesser VP based TVs that won't be able to handle 3:2 cadences properly anyway.

So 120 hz is not needed with the 265 and the 747. and is only included because the so called 'top tiers' have 120hz.

I think the 7 series was a limited run/test bed for Olevia as well, to see how well they can perform in the upper market.

How do you guys think they're doing so far?
post #217 of 1760
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Originally Posted by acousticartist View Post

The 2007 265t FHD which is the main reason for this thread does use the SO Realta chip. It almost seems, since it hasn't been touted or promoted as much as the 7 series by Olevia, that the 265t FHD currently available is a test case for them to see how well they could do with the larger panel sizes and the integration of the higher end video processor. It is more feature rich even than the 07' 747 in that it has a sub woofer and digital audio out.

The 747i also has sub woofer and digital audio outputs. Thanks to fellow 747i owner 'ricardito' I got myself a Yamaha sub woofer and I've been enjoying pumped-out sound out of my Series 7 Olevia LCD. Glad to know the 265t has kept the 747i tradition (right down to the Realta).

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Originally Posted by 4bs View Post

I think the 7 series was a limited run/test bed for Olevia as well, to see how well they can perform in the upper market.

How do you guys think they're doing so far?

The fact the infamous 42" 742i model never came out (anyone actually seen one in the wild?) leads me to believe demand for the 747i never reached a level that made it compulsive for Olevia to rush the 742i into production. Heck, it wasn't until it was available for close to $2K online in the Fall that the 747i really took off. As far as competing against the big 'S' boys (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, etc.) the 747i's limited distribution and mediocre CR performance (even the most flattering reviews for the 747i admitted the guts and performance of the 747i panel were more impressive than the panel itself) never stood a chance against the marketing, brand loyalty and perception that the more expensive HDTV must be the best (i.e. the 'Bose' effect). I've been buying Sony products my whole life (especially Trinitron and Wega TV's) and it literally took a leap of faith for me to take a chance on the 747i after the disappointment that were the Sony and Samsung models from 2006-early 2007. My gamble paid off and now I heartily recommend the 747i model (not necessarily the Olevia brand as a whole) to anyone that will listen to. But I'm a realist and know that the 747i's time came and went already as cutting-edge HDTV technology, replaced by the 'inkier' contrast ratios and 120Hz perceived improvements from the competition.

That Olevia is moving ahead with 42"-65" luxury models that will have 120Hz but will also fall below Sharp, Samsung and Sony prices indicates they think they've found a niche' amongst potential HDTV customers that want a big screen but don't want to gamble on plasma technology (or pay premium prices for the privilege). Now Olevia needs to get into more B&M stores (particularly Best Buy's Magnolia branch) and upscale specialty shops than the one's that carry mostly its cheap models. An affordable 65" Olevia with Realta and all the bells & whistles will never break into the mainstream as long as its only available in places like Sam's Club and Costco. It's a good time to be on the market for a really big screen panel. Just ask Westa!
post #218 of 1760
^^^^ Dad1153, I agree with you for the most part and I think you'll be interested to know that Olevia has partnered up with Best Buy and..ugh Walmart, so you will see more BB stores carrying the brand.

BTW Regarding the CR with no set measurement standard, the measurement is done differently for these Olevia ~1600:1 panels. If comparing apples to apples, you'll need to multiply by 10, equating a ~16,000:1 ratio which is not much worse then even the newest (non led) Samsung at ~20,000:1 using the same measurement.
post #219 of 1760
Here is a recap of a press release with some details of their latest deal with Sharp for panels in 2008. This fits with others who say the 120mhz 65 inch panel will be out in April '08.


Source: ProAV MAGAZINE
Publication date: January 23, 2008

Syntax-Brillian Corp., a manufacturer of electronics such as Olevia LCDs, entered an agreement with Sharp Electronics Corp. Under the terms, Sharp will supply Syntax-Brillian with a minimum of 700,000 LCD panels during 2008 for 32-, 37-, 52-, and 65-inch displays, with the option of purchasing more panels as needed. The agreement also guarantees Syntax-Brillian and fellow manufacturer Taiwan Kolin Co. exclusive purchasing rights to the 65-inch 120 Hz LCD panel through September 2008.

"We are pleased to have reached this agreement with Sharp and to be recognized as one of their technology partners within the LCD TV industry," said James Li, CEO of Syntax-Brillian. "This agreement strengthens our pipeline of LCD panel supply as we prepare for continued growth in 2008."



FYI 2002 Honda Odyssey owners - You can fit this set into your van standing upright. You have to slip it in via the side door, not the back door. It requires removing one of the middle seats, folding the third row down, and removing any/all floormats or carpet pieces, as its a tight fit height-wise, but it does "wiggle" on in.

Question for all, how high from the floor should this unit be mounted? I've got a tiered viewing area, i.e. two couches, then a bar behind the couches where people sitting on the bar stools will look over those on the couches. Eyeball height for the couch-dwellers will be approx 40 inches, and the those on bar stools will be 60 inches high. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
post #220 of 1760
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Originally Posted by 4bs View Post

The 7 series allows RGB control to offset the colors, so you can dial in a real 6500k.
The 2 series forces you to use only what the factory gave you, so you're stuck with their overly warm 6500k. This is probably why most people prefer the bluer native, although the colors are more off.

That, the amp, speakers, supporting circuits, cabinet design, and the polarized glass (and weight) are the other main differences.
Otherwise they use the same Panel re: same size.

About the 5:5.

You should read up on cadences, particularly 24p cadences, then read up on how the Realta handles cadences.

I think you'll find that the Realta (and one other VP) based TVs don't need 120 hz.

and 120 hz will only benefit and and quite limitedly, lesser VP based TVs that won't be able to handle 3:2 cadences properly anyway.

So 120 hz is not needed with the 265 and the 747. and is only included because the so called 'top tiers' have 120hz.

I think the 7 series was a limited run/test bed for Olevia as well, to see how well they can perform in the upper market.

How do you guys think they're doing so far?

Ok, so maybe the 765H doesn't "need" 120Hz but with the color control features you mention I'd go with the 765H and get 120Hz as an extra feature.

We all know that Sharp provides the LCD panel to Olevia to build these sets. I would think that most reading this thread are also aware of the "banding" issue that seems to be on many of the Sharp sets. My question is "Since Sharp provides the LCD panel to Olevia, does the Olevia have banding?" If someone that owns an Olevia has posted that their set has banding, I must have missed it.
post #221 of 1760
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Originally Posted by dlp755 View Post

It says that the 265TFHD uses an AMD processor. How odd is that ?

I ca tell you that AMD processesor is a piece of crap and is totally outdated now. I had the 37 with AMD sitting next to my 42 with MDK for months and it wasn't even close. I decided to get rid of the 37. Glad you told me the 55 has it. I am taking that off my list.
The MDK is fine, but it is clearly not on par with recent generations. Too bad, because Olevia had a good thing going. Its still a good deal if you can get a bargain, but its not worth the Japanese brands.
SPeaking of which, it sounds like Vizio is using the Optix in some upcoming models.
post #222 of 1760
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser View Post

...it sounds like Vizio is using the Optix in some upcoming models.

Why can't a big-name CE manufacturer partner with Optix and include Realta HQV in their line of high-end HDTV sets? No offense against Olevia and Vizio (bought one HDTV from each in 2007) but if Toshiba or Sony were to sell their top-tier HDTV's with Realta built-in I'd swallow hard and pay the price premium in a heartbeat.
post #223 of 1760
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Originally Posted by dlp755 View Post

According to the second data sheet (Olevia 2008 LCD-2.pdf) , only the 7-series models use the Silicon Optix processor.

It says that the 265TFHD uses an AMD processor. How odd is that ?

It's referring to the two ATI tuners in the unit.
post #224 of 1760
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

Why can't a big-name CE manufacturer partner with Optix and include Realta HQV in their line of high-end HDTV sets? No offense against Olevia and Vizio (bought one HDTV from each in 2007) but if Toshiba or Sony were to sell their top-tier HDTV's with Realta built-in I'd swallow hard and pay the price premium in a heartbeat.

MOST TVs of the future will have even more useless features and less real benefits for the typical consumer. What will be the differentiating factor is the brand and the supporting/matching gear for the HD infrastructure they sell. People are persuaded to buy BD(/HD) players and a/v receivers that will do all their scaling and cadences properly - which Sony and etc sells.

As Olevia has no real investments in other AV interests (although they have just recently started) , they created a market of their own by marketing products that can benefit cost effective consumers who don't want to fork out - for the type of gear Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, etc actually wants you (and kinda forces you) to buy!

Ergo, Olevia's top TVs handles SD scaling and all cadences wonderfully even with 'legacy' equipment and better than most other HDTVs - regardless of brand.

And I say, bravo, to Olevia's visionaries.

And along with using the best VP with the 3rd best LCD panel (soon will be using #2 panels) on the market today with an excellent rating, gives them some leverage with retailers and margins.

Vizio is in the same boat as Olevia by being free to improve the overall quality of their TVs from a consumer beneficial standpoint without effecting their other product lines. But I don't think they will do as well, due to a 'me too' approach with inferior components with the 3rd best VP and 4th best Plasma panel with a very good rating.
post #225 of 1760
4bs the height that I used the other day to mount a 747 was 45 - 46 inches from the floor ....................
post #226 of 1760
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Originally Posted by rivermaniac View Post

4bs the height that I used the other day to mount a 747 was 45 - 46 inches from the floor ....................

Just 4 feet from the floor?????

Out of curiosity, why?

I'd personally mount it at eye level while I'm standing...which is about 6 ft from the center to the floor.
post #227 of 1760
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Originally Posted by 4bs View Post

Just 4 feet from the floor?????

Out of curiosity, why?

I'd personally mount it at eye level while I'm standing...which is about 6 ft from the center to the floor.

Eye Level is when your sitting on your keester unless your mounting it for a sports bar where many be standing up and having to look over other folks. Most TV Stands for plasma, LCD, RPTV and others are 19 - 24" high and they've been designed for the sweet spot so your in the sweet spot from a seated position not 6' up. Standard ceilings are 8'.

I have a Bello Stand from Italy that's made for all types and it's at about 21" high and perfect for a seated sweet spot on a 57" at 8.5' VD. With the TV Stand and Speaker Bar it places the center of screen at around 36"-40" I believe. (Though I'm not at home to measure exactly).

I do buy custom mobile stands for Network Classrooms I have with LCD's and they are adjustable since you have to be able to raise it higher than normal for 30 people to look over and above everyone else in a large conference room. This would not replicate in a normal HT Den or family room that's about a third the size.

Where did you get the height threshold you are suggesting?
post #228 of 1760
Sorry, I slightly goofed. Thanks for pointing that out.

let me try that again;

Top and bottom level should be eye level while *standing* and sitting respectively as per http://tv.about.com/od/plasma/a/flatpanelmount_2.htm

Ironically though, I've just realized that my measurements are similar to rivermaniac's measurements from bottom tip to floor with this particular TV and it's extra large bottom mounted speakers.

Pretty Cosmic... man.
post #229 of 1760
There you go 45 or 46 from the floor to the bottom of the set not to middle of tv . Send pics of that monster on the wall ...................
post #230 of 1760
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Originally Posted by acousticartist View Post

How long from the time you bought until you went back in? I bought mine on 12/31/07 and I went in with the receipt yesterday and they said no deal because it had been more than 30 days... I may just take it back and wait for the price to drop again Truly, I still think it was a good buy at 4k so I may just suck it up...

It was day 35 since purchase, day 28 since I had added the extended warranty.
post #231 of 1760
Since this set uses Sharp panels does it have the "banding" issues everyone is always complaining about with Sharp models?
post #232 of 1760
I have not been able to see any banding whatsoever... Putting up various full screen solid colors including red, green, blue, white, grey, etc. all very uniform, with the exception of black which shows some backlight uniformity issues I posted about early on in this thread. This was mostly resolved by turning down the backlight settings which correspond to the three modes; dark room, medium room, and bright room. This is done in the service menu (where you can also screw things up if you are careless....).

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Originally Posted by HDGForever View Post

Since this set uses Sharp panels does it have the "banding" issues everyone is always complaining about with Sharp models?
post #233 of 1760
Thanks for all the great info on this unit. I too am looking to purchase this from Sams Club in NJ but my situation is a bit more complicated. Last March I purchased a Philips 63" Plasma from Sams, since it was less than 4K, and had some pretty good comments on AVS forum also. Turns out the PQ is great but has one flaw that is killing me. When the unit, which is on a stand, heats up it makes a crackling/popping noise. This can occur internittantly for upwards of three to four hours after I turn it on and after much experimenting it appears to be from the frame construction, possibly metal and plastic combining to produce what can only be called an annoying sound. Has anyone had any issues like this with the Olevia LCD? I saw a few comments on the good quality construction and I want to get as much info first before I try to return a 180 pound television and replace it with a 235 pound one. I don't know if my back will take the abuse! I plan on using the stand. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
post #234 of 1760
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Thanks for all the great info on this unit. I too am looking to purchase this from Sams Club in NJ but my situation is a bit more complicated. Last March I purchased a Philips 63" Plasma from Sams, since it was less than 4K, and had some pretty good comments on AVS forum also. Turns out the PQ is great but has one flaw that is killing me. When the unit, which is on a stand, heats up it makes a crackling/popping noise. This can occur internittantly for upwards of three to four hours after I turn it on and after much experimenting it appears to be from the frame construction, possibly metal and plastic combining to produce what can only be called an annoying sound. Has anyone had any issues like this with the Olevia LCD? I saw a few comments on the good quality construction and I want to get as much info first before I try to return a 180 pound television and replace it with a 235 pound one. I don't know if my back will take the abuse! I plan on using the stand. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Plasmas in general make all sorts of noises, from what you're experiencing to buzzing to other weird phenomenas. All this is due to the ionizing of the phosphorous gases that make the plasma display.

People with sensitive hearing or who suffer from paranoia are quite spooked by these noises, but they're perfectly natural from this technology.

Even the top Plasma manufacturer, Pioneer, has noisy displays.

LCDs typically don't make noises as the display is driven by the far less energy hungry polarization technology.

But the PQ won't quite match the level of a good plasma.

However both technologies have their pros and cons over each other, so pick your poison.
post #235 of 1760
CNET has posted a review of the Olevia 252T FHD (the 52" version of this 65" model): http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...?tag=pdtl-list. If acousticartist is right and the 65" comes packed with Realta HQV (which the 52" model reviewed by CNET clearly lacks) then its an even better bang-for-buck value than I thought, warts and all.
post #236 of 1760
The lack of banding is great to hear but really bizzare -

How could so many people be so mad about it yet it doesn't happen on the Olevia with a Sharp panel?

And supposedly the panel itself was the cause of the Sharp issues.
post #237 of 1760
Thanks to everyone with great feedback on this set. It was very educational and helpful in making decision on this purchase. After researching this unit for last 2 months I finally made a trip to my local SC last Sunday price was $3494 and the wall mount was $99.37. Got it home in Toyota Sienna laying it flat. This monster was not going on the stand my original and final plan was hanging it over fireplace. For anyone who wants to do it you definitely need 4 guys. I took off the stand which is pretty heavy 30lb, TV is 190lb.
Only problem I had I was short 1 guy but I decided to go ahead with 3 of us and hang it up anyway. It looks great, quality of the picture is very good, blacks could be blacker but remember it was only $3494 there is a good value in this TV. I also called tech support spoke to rep. asked about video processor on 265 model and he in fact told me that 265 and this year model 765 have both Realta Video Processor. Weight on this year model is 180lb and the look of it is more sleek that was his description he also told me that the specs. and features that he has in front of him will be updated before this TV goes in to production.
post #238 of 1760
Well, it doesn't happen for everybody with the Sharp's TV's and I am only speaking about mine. Surely many people have the Sharp and have not seen the banding... In any case, I am happy that mine doesn't have that problem. I wonder what the packaging and the electronics driving the display might have to do with the banding issues...

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Originally Posted by HDGForever View Post

The lack of banding is great to hear but really bizzare -

How could so many people be so mad about it yet it doesn't happen on the Olevia with a Sharp panel?

And supposedly the panel itself was the cause of the Sharp issues.
post #239 of 1760
Congratulations of your purchase SEVERYNUSA, I'm sure you'll enjoy your Olevia branded TV for many years to come.

There are a few guys on here who SHOULD be getting incentives from Syntax for pitching the good word, and I'm sure you'll be one of them too.

As for blacks, currently no LCD from any manufacturer, regardless of reviewer/salesman does it right.

When the blacks are 'deep', they severely crush other colors i.e. dark blues, grays, dark greens, etc and shadow details.

When the set is properly calibrated, blacks are sufficient but loose the 'deepness', but that's the only way to get color deviation and detail.

That's the problem with all Backlight driven LCDs, even the LEDs

If you want the best performing blacks from a flat panel, get a Pioneer bar none, or a Panasonic as your 2nd choice. You can have true inky blacks with great detail and color with these two plasma kings.

Anything else won't win any awards for black levels.

But the Olevia can win the heifer award for sure.
post #240 of 1760
I have never heard a sound from this TV such as the crackling and popping that you describe that is characteristic of components expanding or contracting while heating or cooling. The bezel is made of anodized aluminum and the case is sheet metal. It is solidly built (as you might surmise from the 230lb weight of the set with stand) and gets just warm to the touch. There is also no buzzing or mechanical noises of any kind that I can hear. Even the power on/off event is quiet with only the click of the relay to tip you off. My old CRT RPTV used to groan on startup...

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Originally Posted by rudeness View Post

Thanks for all the great info on this unit. I too am looking to purchase this from Sams Club in NJ but my situation is a bit more complicated. Last March I purchased a Philips 63" Plasma from Sams, since it was less than 4K, and had some pretty good comments on AVS forum also. Turns out the PQ is great but has one flaw that is killing me. When the unit, which is on a stand, heats up it makes a crackling/popping noise. This can occur internittantly for upwards of three to four hours after I turn it on and after much experimenting it appears to be from the frame construction, possibly metal and plastic combining to produce what can only be called an annoying sound. Has anyone had any issues like this with the Olevia LCD? I saw a few comments on the good quality construction and I want to get as much info first before I try to return a 180 pound television and replace it with a 235 pound one. I don't know if my back will take the abuse! I plan on using the stand. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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