Official Pioneer Kuro Pictures Thread....... - Page 153

That sux.

Agree with you. KRP-500M has been hyped up by forum sponsors and couple of so called expert professional calibrators with $5M worth measuring equipment - big conspiracy . Because KRP is the only available high margin Pioneer display product line left after Pioneer's official pullout and forum sponsors wants to make buck or two before they start selling Pannys and LCDs. They even organized SHOOT-OUT to prove their point and expects everyone to believe that KRP500 and PRO-101FD (sig elite) are 10G KUROs since panel assembly for KRP500/PRO-101FD is different than PRO-111FD.

Kuros are undoubtedly the best HD panels in the world but lt's be honest; the KRP-500M is a little darker than the 5010FD, not "leaps and bounds" as some would have you believe. The glass on the KRP is matte as opposed to the glossier counterpart but the color suffers. The 5010FD beats the KRP in color vibrance/richness, especially in the dynamic mode which I prefer for certain types of films (Speed Racer, Pixar). The 5010FD does NOT clip WTW like the KRP. The 5010FD is also a bit brighter. I have both panels; I had them running simultaneously with the same Blu-Ray discs (in the same machine, the 51FD of which i have two) and the same 1080i cable broadcasts. One in bedroom; the other in living room. In almost every case, the 5010FD produced a better picture. I don't care about 6500K, comparitive ANSI ratios and all that other techspeak jabberwocky. I see what I see and that's that.

Funny how that ISF patch popped up after the last PRO-111FD got sold...

ok thanks for you opinion

Maybe but put it into some perspective, tell me a better deal on a plasma as good or better for $1750? The Pro 111FD is NOT worth the extra $2K. Yes there is the ISF patch that opens up the IFC settings and from what I heard makes a difference.

And BTW, this is the Kuro picture thread, not a thread to bash or give your opinions, post your comments in the right thread if you feel the need to make those comments.

I have a 500m and my parents have a 6020. They asked me if I would bring my 500m over to compare the 2 because they wanted another 50" for their bedroom. Put the 2 side by side, and in all settings (daylight/windows open, controlled light[lights on at night], and completely dark room) the 500m looks slightly better, in all aspects. Both are professionally calibrated by the same person. no ISF only the settings that you can tweak that come stock. so to my eyes and my parents the 500m is slightly better. I will post pics soon once I get my new ULTRA SLIM wall mount from monoprice

I watched that movie recently and thought it was just awesome. (Coraline) I need to go buy the Blu-ray now.

Slightly better in which ways? Having a 111 I'm interested in how much of a difference there is between the juiced up 500 to the regular 9gs.

yeah the first time i watched it i thought it was just ok, the story that is. but after the second and third time i watched it, it grew on me. the picture quality is awesome.

You mean after I bought that last 111. There was a certain "tastelessness" about the whole thing. Like they actually couldn't wait a year , what am I saying, they probably did. Sorry I took so long to buy that last 111. I know they were itching to get that patch out.

Im pretty sure whenever there is another LCD or Plasma thread going on, it should just be redirected to this thread. and then closed.

beautiful sets guys! id have trouble ever going outside again

??? Pioneer didn't develop the patch, someone else did. And don't forget, your 111 still has an unbelievable picture and came with a stronger amp, a tuner, speakers and a stand, none of which are included with a 500M.

None of which this 111 owner could do without. I love my 111! I call it my 3rd child.

So, are you going to post pictures on this "Kuro pictures" thread?

No - my camera sux, and I'm so sorry for bringing this thread down, moderator.

Carry on.

I'm not "bashing" the KRP-500M; I own one. I'm simply responding to a post. If offering an opinion about a panel you own is considered bashing, then how much more would it be to offer an opinion about one you dont own, such as the PRO-111FD in your case? (Submitting picture from Alien V Predator Requiem to appease the forum; pic taken with a Sony CyberShot)

Err..scene is from the SUPERIOR 5010FD, which is also better IMO than the 9G non-Elites...

I'm coming out of a very long lurk period to mention that, if your KRP500 or 101FD clips WTW or BTB when using the BDP51, it's quite easily remedied. I drive my 101FD via a 51 with "HDMI Color Space" set to auto; using the 101's Back & white Level adjustments, I can reproduce WTW all the way to 253 and see BTB all the way down the first hex nibble (I'm not saying that I set ref black anywhere but 16, but I can move black all the way down with no clipping). These measurements are consistent between AVCHD and Spears-Munsil, and my D* HR20 rendition looks very good with the same monitor settings.

There's a slight voltage range incompatibility between the two units. You have to select a memory mode under the players' Video Adjust menu that allows you to tweak its white & black levels so the ranges match that of the panel. One or two clicks will suffice, then it's all good. Thanks to D-nice for figuring this one out & publishing it.

Just to stay on topic - not one of the pictures I've seen in this thread do justice to what I see on my uncalibrated 101FD in pure mode - even though I've looked on several computer/monitor combos, including two 24" new 1920/1200 rigs. It's not clear to me what we can really show each other via different video cards/monitors and reduced file sizes. I spent quite a bit of time taking some shots of The Last Samurai with my Canon S40 & tripod, but the aliasing lines in light areas from the camera's CCD scan rate drove me nuts, even though the color & dynamic range were good. When I can access a better camera or figure out an ISO setting that cleans this up, I'll post up a few pics.

regards, billb....

my pioneer 111fd is having that buzzing problem and its super loud...just sucks they dont make these TV's anymore so now they are probably going to tear my TV apart and replace the insides or something.

Oh no not you again

That your opinion on a poorly setup 500M. There is a significant difference in black levels between a 5010FD and 500M. Hell there is a significant difference in black levels between any 9G Kuro and the 5010FD.


You have a matted AR coating on your 500M? If thats the case, you don't really have a 500M because the glass is not matte.


You mean the 500M is more accurate compared to your 5010FD in dynamic mode.


Niether does the 500M. To clarify your statement, the 500M has a constrained some of the higher end of WTW on some BD players. Easily correctable per your BD player. Also, this WTW constraint is only in Pure and the ISFccc modes (at least those are the only modes I've found that to happen).


Ha!!! The 500M is brighter than the 5010 in Standard, User and ISFccc modes.


Perhaps you need to get your eyes checked because unless you have a magical 5010FD, it is not superior in any shape, form or fashion when compared to any 9G Kuro.

You crack yourself up, don't you?

Thanks for the warm welcome. Do you think I should change my sig/motto?

And, to stay on topic (because I'm such a PW):


I honestly never noticed this in any of my adjustment sessions; I guess it's because I only watch Pure mode. I don't find the other presets very interesting.
In particular, "Sport" makes me want to run from the room.

I've turned on the ISF modes, but they'll have to be calibrated better than I'm capable of doing before I'm interested in watching them. Your 500M settings
put a SEG on my face, though.

I suppose you don't tour in NorCal; do you have any recommendations for calibrators in the San Francisco Bay area? (if you don't want to do so publicly,
I'd be grateful for a PM.)


best regards, billb....

I don't know why are you so arrogant and insulting? Calm down, people have expertise in different fields, just because you know thing or two about TVs doesn't grant you authority to disrepute. If answering forum member's (dumb, in your view, of course) questions and comments aggravate you, find a different hobby.

He didn't seem to be berating him at all in my opinion. This is the AVS forum, D-Nice knows "a thing or two" about what this forum is based on. If he's correcting an ignorant poster and you don't like the tone, then that's your issue. Personally I didn't find the tone insulting at all. I mean come on, a matte coated 500M? Makes you wonder if he even owns the TV and if he does, he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Exactly what part of that post was arrogant and/or insulting? Saying a 5010FD is almost equal to any 9G Kuro is insulting to quite a few 9G Kuro owners.... especially those who actually own both generations and know better. The guy is more than welcome to post his opinions. However, he will get called out on blatant lies. If you feel that call out is "insulting" or "arrogant", ignore the post. Or is it only ok for you to attempt to call me out because you have in your head that I'm "arrogant" and "insulting"?


"Dumb, in your view?" Did anything in my post refer to anyone being dumb?

While I'm in the mood to out blatant lies, I need to check you on this post

Please... PLEASE provide proof that anyone on this forum is hyping the 500M. High margin product??? The 500M was the cheapest 9G Kuro ever placed in the NA market with a much slimmer profit margin compared to any of the other 9G lines. And who are "they" when it comes to a shootout. AVS, including its forum sponsors, had absolutely nothing to do with a flat panel shootout that was held in June. NOTHING. The actual host spent his own money, as he has for the past few years, to place the best of 2009 in one room where any and everyone had the opportunity to see for themselves (instead of assuming ****) how the panels compared to each other.

I also ask that you provide proof that ANYONE is claiming the 500M is a 10G panel. The last time I checked the 500M/101FD were produced with some elements destined for 10G Pioneers but they are NOT 10G Pioneers. Say it right or don't say it at all.

Apparently there *are* 10G 500Ms floating around - with matte screens no less!

I actually wasn't referring to you. i was talking about STILESP113.

Check page 95 of this thread

I'm not in the habit of posting flames, and D-nice certainly doesn't need me to rush to his defense. But... I must say that anyone with nine months tenure (and twenty posts) who lights the flamethrower at a member who has freely and graciously provided his professional advice to so many for so long is displaying very poor judgment.

Your post is without merit. "Find a different hobby"? Maybe you should find a group more like yourself to hang with. You won't be welcome here for long if you don't clean up your act.

billb....