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post #6421 of 7274
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post


Sure, whatever. It's no big deal, funny though that certain things can be classed as off topic on other threads when suits.

Thankfully some people realised what i was trying to say hence the few nice thumbsups received.

But carry on off topic or whatever - it's getting to close to Christmas to give a.

Merry Christmas when it comes.
i'll have to agree ... with you on this one....lets stay on topic
post #6422 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

ok here is a 10% view of the Kuro.
90% is missing so DONT! take it to serious wink.gif

a scene from the Amazing Spiderman Mastered in 4K with x.v color support.
perfect to take advantage of Pioneers Color Space 1 with its wider gamut.

you need a blu-ray player that can use xvcolor (sony triluminos) Meta data.
i bought some mastered in 4k movies for the W9 but they works even better with the Kuro.

now...thats a stunning picture ..wow just brilliant..so life-like
post #6423 of 7274
Just how it looks on the tv, nothing more or less.
so dont thank me.
thank the Kuro for producing this image smile.gif
The colors in these mastered in 4k movies are better.
Its like using adobe rgb profile for a movie instead of srgb
Edited by pg_ice - 12/14/13 at 4:02am
post #6424 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

ok here is a 10% view of the Kuro.
90% is missing so DONT! take it to serious wink.gif

a scene from the Amazing Spiderman Mastered in 4K with x.v color support.
perfect to take advantage of Pioneers Color Space 1 with its wider gamut.

you need a blu-ray player that can use xvcolor (sony triluminos) Meta data.
i bought some mastered in 4k movies for the W9 but they works even better with the Kuro.



a few more
ISF day 180cd/m2 with low ambient light
bright as h......
well to be honest..its to bright smile.gif


bad focus on this one


ISF night at 120cd/m2 is great most of the time.
you still have the details and the pop in the picture with the lower brightness.
its insane
i need to rewatch all my blu ray movies smile.gif

i have never seen anything like this.
i see details that i have never seen before with the LCD tvs.

contrast ratio builds the image!
Pg, I enjoy your pics. Please keep posting. It's great to see others enjoying their Kuros as much as I do. And I don't mind the comparison shots either. Great to see how the Kuros stack up against today's displays.

What I don't like (and this is not directed towards you), is how these threads evolve into debate threads. So, everyone, just take the photos for face value, and try not to crap up this thread.

Ps...what backlighting are you using? From my iPad, it looks like it compliments your setup very well.
post #6425 of 7274
Does the PS3 or oppo bdp 103 support xvcolor? I never noticed any settings like that.
post #6426 of 7274
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Ps...what backlighting are you using? From my iPad, it looks like it compliments your setup very well.

you know the small swedish company IKEA right smile.gif?
its just some cheap LED stripes
the light from these is on the warm side around 2700K
http://www.ikea.com/se/sv/catalog/products/60116540/

the camera catches the correct colortemp from the tv but not as great in the room.
you have to compensate.
the lightstrips is more white than they look in the photos

here you have the Mastered in 4K Movies
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=mastered%20in%204k&sprefix=mastered%2Caps%2C292
Edited by pg_ice - 12/14/13 at 7:55am
post #6427 of 7274
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Does the PS3 or oppo bdp 103 support xvcolor? I never noticed any settings like that.
Kuro is not xvColor : norme xvYCC (eXtended Video YCC). ...
XvColour also ensures full compatibility with the new generation of High Definition TVs that support the xvYCC standard . wink.gif
post #6428 of 7274
I will soon be in possession of a brand new 151 elite from pioneer.so would anyone be interested in buying this 151 from me I also have the board to turn a 6020 into a elite a spare set of 151 side speakers 2 remote 2 sustain boards and a power board so if anyone is interested let me know thanks
post #6429 of 7274
Why and how did you get a new one?
post #6430 of 7274
Few more pics:


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it is a warranty replacement in fact my second replacement kuro and it was not easy to get pioneer to do anything so I had get the BBB involved the consumers affair and the Atty.gen. then they finally seen things my way.so I ask if I could do a upgrade to a 151 or 141 or a 600m they told me they only had 151 left and if I wanted one I would have to pay over $1100.so i told them that they were crazy that when they stop selling them that the price had drop over 50% and they needed to come down on the price so I told they I would give them $300 after going back and forth for a few days they came down to just under $600 so I took the deal.so that is how I got a new 151 I have to fax the paper work back to them Monday and then it will be a done deal
post #6432 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/926205/does-the-pioneer-pro150fd-do-deep-color-and-x-v-color smile.gif

ok last one in a while
running out of battery on my camera smile.gif

Pacific Rim again
this movie looks amazing on the Kuro.
the blacks are dark in the movie but the kuro has no problem with the near black details

ISF Night mode 120cd/m2
dammm..hold the phone..stop the press..WTF...is this my kuro? i will never sell my kuro...this is the best picture i have seen so far..pg you knock this one out the park...
post #6433 of 7274
Damn that looks good. I still have mine in the plastic.
post #6434 of 7274
Lol pioneertop
Its not a standard kuro
Far from it.

First you need to do a calibration with the isf profiles to get a flat gamma curve at 2.3
Default they clip the whites some and they also have lower gamma around 2.2-2.1
Colors gets more punch with a higher gamma setting.

last you need to higher ABL in the service menu.
I have almost no ABL dimming with the isf night settings.
Also remember that my kuro has done a full reset.
Blacks are as deep if the tv was new.
Before i did the reset my ansi contrast ratio was only 5500:1 with red glowing blacks.
Now its 38000:1
Thats a huge difference.

What you see here is how good a kuro can be as its best.

Pioneertop
If you have not done anything above to your kuro i recomend that you take a look at it.
Its worth it.
Get controlcal and a colormeter with a calibration program such as Chroma Pure/Calman or the free HCFR and i can show you how to calibrate your kuro.
its not that difficult now when i have learn how these Kuros behaves.
just send me your readings and i will tell you what to adjust.
you dont need any calibration knowledge at all except starting the programs wink.gif
whats good is that you learn the basics with calibration.

for the reset i wrote down a A4 guide in the red tint thread.
every information is there.
give it one week and you will have a kuro that blows anything away..maybe no the new OLED tvs but sure the rest smile.gif

Edit:
im thinking about writing down how to set up controlcal.
instead of 2 huge posts i think i can get it down to 20%
the information on the controlcals site is just to complicated with BIG warnings everywhere that scares everyonne away biggrin.gif
its simpler than it looks like.
Edited by pg_ice - 12/14/13 at 10:12pm
post #6435 of 7274
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

I'm not a huge bond fan, but those shots make me want to buy it just for eye candy.
I board all the "007" (BD) with S. Connery and R. Moore ...



With good image quality for age movies ... wink.gif
post #6436 of 7274
PG, I was thinking of buying chroma pure too, but I don't know anything about calibration. I watched a few turtorial videos on the site and it seems easy, but I don't know. I love tinkering with stuff so maybe the learning process will be fun.

I think the only thing I'll do for now to get any extra performance out of my kuro is just unlock the ISF modes. The difference between pure and those modes is huge. I posted a picture of it from a member of the avforums.
post #6437 of 7274
"im thinking about writing down how to set up controlcal.
instead of 2 huge posts i think i can get it down to 20%
the information on the controlcals site is just to complicated with BIG warnings everywhere that scares everyonne away
its simpler than it looks like."

Please do this, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure one of the reasons many still haven't tried it is because of the confusing layout of information. Like me. biggrin.gif
post #6438 of 7274
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

PG, I was thinking of buying chroma pure too, but I don't know anything about calibration. I watched a few turtorial videos on the site and it seems easy, but I don't know. I love tinkering with stuff so maybe the learning process will be fun.

I think the only thing I'll do for now to get any extra performance out of my kuro is just unlock the ISF modes. The difference between pure and those modes is huge. I posted a picture of it from a member of the avforums.

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

"im thinking about writing down how to set up controlcal.
instead of 2 huge posts i think i can get it down to 20%
the information on the controlcals site is just to complicated with BIG warnings everywhere that scares everyonne away
its simpler than it looks like."

Please do this, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure one of the reasons many still haven't tried it is because of the confusing layout of information. Like me. biggrin.gif

Do ISF modes really improve picture quality by a big margin? I want to purchase controlcal program but I'm scared that I might mess up my kuro. I've been reading some directions on it and I'm just totally confused as well.
post #6439 of 7274
Thanks for your help pg_ice! smile.gif
post #6440 of 7274






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Edited by tubby497 - 12/15/13 at 7:29pm
post #6441 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

i have used chroma pure for several years
its easy.
if you dont have a colormeter i recomend that you buy their bundle with the i1 Display Pro meter
http://www.chromapure.com/products-d3.asp
the downside is that this is an OEM meter and will not work with Xrites own calibration program.

just download the mp4 files from AVSHD709 and run them from a usb HD/memory to your blu ray player.
remove the diffuser and initialize the colormeter in chroma pure with the "Plasma" profile and you are ready to go.
if you get the ISF profiles they should be close to reference so only a few adjustments needs to be made.
mostly for the grayscale and the gamma.

even if you have great blacks on your kuro i still recomend that you start from scratch with a reset before you do the calibration.
the picture will be even better after a reset.
but to be sure you have reference blacks you still need the colormeter to measure them.

the first thing to do is to get controlcal.
you need two register for TWO profiles:
Pioneer_9G_ISFccc_RegionsX_v0.20_P1.cdp and the Pioneer_9G_KURO_TV_Special_v0.01.cdp
tha later is to get access to the service menu.
that procces takes some time since Turbe needs alot of information so you get the right profile for your tv.
you need to write down your tvs serial number and some other stuff.

i dont know whats better if i start a new thread or take it in PM.
this can go off topic here smile.gif

I was originally looking at the standard version for $200. That one doesn't come with a colorimeter? If so then the version you linked is the best option. What do you think about the auto calibration tool? Does it give results as good as a manual calibration?

As for the reset. I really don't think i need to do that. I only have 2070 hours on my TV. Blacks are still dark and i don't have any red tint. PQ is still very nice. Actually better than it was new with a few hundred hours. Everything looks settled.

I have access to the service menu from a harmony remote that a member here set up for everyone to check hours. The info button gets you there. I don't think i can change anything in there and no way am i trying. lol.
post #6442 of 7274
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Originally Posted by tubby497 View Post


Do ISF modes really improve picture quality by a big margin? I want to purchase controlcal program but I'm scared that I might mess up my kuro. I've been reading some directions on it and I'm just totally confused as well.

Yes they do offer an improvement. Take a look at this

http://www.avforums.com/threads/pioneer-krp-a-owners-thread-part-7.1728349/page-5#post-18526471

Notice how you can see the stripes in his jacket now. And the picture is cleaner and more detailed.
post #6443 of 7274
pg_ice,

Thanks for all the good info. I have a 5020 that I did a partial reset over a year ago (just the 2 meter reset), and will do the full reset as reds are starting to creep back a bit. Will use hyperterminal to do the reset and make adjustments that way. The 5020 doesn't have all the isf modes that the other Kuros have, thus why I will use hyperterminal. Plus I am comfortable using hyperterminal. Thanks for pointing out the info about ABL. I am also going to raise that a bit too. Was curious, when you adjust ABL, does it raise it for all modes (movie, sports, standard, etc), or do I need to do it separately for each mode? Thanks again.
Edited by wxman - 12/16/13 at 12:09am
post #6444 of 7274
pg_ice,

Thanks for the link. I will let the guy who calibrated my tv handle the re calibration. I want to do the reset ahead of time to get rid of the red tint and get the blacks back to like new with the adjustments in your great instructions in the red tint thread. Then i will call the calibrator after it settles un. My ABL setting is 110 and can go up to 255. Dont think i will crank it up to 200 like you, but perhaps 20 to 40 clicks and then monitor the temperature. I was unable to download link, as they want credit card info. Thanks again!
post #6445 of 7274
Anyone else?






SAM_0789_zpsc0651a2e.jpg~original


How old am i lol lol.

Oh carry on wink.gif.
Edited by RobMacLennan - 12/16/13 at 12:28pm
post #6446 of 7274
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Originally Posted by RobMacLennan View Post

Anyone else?






SAM_0789_zpsc0651a2e.jpg~original


How old am i lol lol.

Oh carry on wink.gif.
grow up:p
post #6447 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

Lol pioneertop
Its not a standard kuro
Far from it.

First you need to do a calibration with the isf profiles to get a flat gamma curve at 2.3
Default they clip the whites some and they also have lower gamma around 2.2-2.1
Colors gets more punch with a higher gamma setting.

last you need to higher ABL in the service menu.
I have almost no ABL dimming with the isf night settings.
Also remember that my kuro has done a full reset.
Blacks are as deep if the tv was new.
Before i did the reset my ansi contrast ratio was only 5500:1 with red glowing blacks.
Now its 38000:1
Thats a huge difference.

What you see here is how good a kuro can be as its best.

Pioneertop
If you have not done anything above to your kuro i recomend that you take a look at it.
Its worth it.
Get controlcal and a colormeter with a calibration program such as Chroma Pure/Calman or the free HCFR and i can show you how to calibrate your kuro.
its not that difficult now when i have learn how these Kuros behaves.
just send me your readings and i will tell you what to adjust.
you dont need any calibration knowledge at all except starting the programs wink.gif
whats good is that you learn the basics with calibration.

for the reset i wrote down a A4 guide in the red tint thread.
every information is there.
give it one week and you will have a kuro that blows anything away..maybe no the new OLED tvs but sure the rest smile.gif

Edit:
im thinking about writing down how to set up controlcal.
instead of 2 huge posts i think i can get it down to 20%
the information on the controlcals site is just to complicated with BIG warnings everywhere that scares everyonne away biggrin.gif
its simpler than it looks like.

I wish I could see what 38000:1 ansi contrast looks like in real life. I mean, the pic looks fantastic, but really, I can only imagine. :0
post #6448 of 7274
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

I wish I could see what 38000:1 ansi contrast looks like in real life. I mean, the pic looks fantastic, but really, I can only imagine. :0

I can see 82237:1 on the KRP wink.gif

Here is my ANSI chart after calibration with a Klein

post #6449 of 7274
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

I wish I could see what 38000:1 ansi contrast looks like in real life. I mean, the pic looks fantastic, but really, I can only imagine. :0

the 3d depth in the picture is unbelievable.
there is no other way to describe it.
post #6450 of 7274
pg_ice
how is the panel buzz with your kuro? Its been well documented that the Kuros(all plasma's actually) buzz when displaying high luminance scenes? Does changing the ABL levels increase the panel buzz at all? This might be the only negative effect when making a change like this. thoughts?
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