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post #6541 of 7274
can't really see that these expensive surge protectors make a big difference to picture quality either:)
post #6542 of 7274
Expensive surge protectors make a difference if power delivery is bad. Summertime here, when it's 110 F +, I am glad to have one.
post #6543 of 7274
And in NC here as I am, we're in one of the top lightning storm areas of the country.
post #6544 of 7274
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Originally Posted by craigyboy View Post

can't really see that these expensive surge protectors make a big difference to picture quality either:)

really?
what brand do you use?
post #6545 of 7274
A cheaper one than a supra I use, if I was sure a supra made that much of a difference I would buy one especially if it improves the picture even more.
post #6546 of 7274
Thats right craig
You can never be sure here.

Have you talked to Master D-Nice about it ?
You better do so my son
May the force be with you wink.gif
post #6547 of 7274
The Supra is a great surge protector and line conditioner. I have one. Compared to the Monster surge protectors, this one offers more than those. First is has a 15 amp fuse. It protects devices from power surges and lightning strikes, whereas Monster and 90% of the others only protect from power surges. You can get a US version from Amazon, for $160.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TVG56/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
post #6548 of 7274
Might have to try one out then, a uk version will do me !!!!!!!
post #6549 of 7274
" Elysium " ( BD ) .

LX55/Kuro :






post #6550 of 7274







tongue.gif
post #6551 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post

The Supra is a great surge protector and line conditioner. I have one. Compared to the Monster surge protectors, this one offers more than those. First is has a 15 amp fuse. It protects devices from power surges and lightning strikes, whereas Monster and 90% of the others only protect from power surges. You can get a US version from Amazon, for $160.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TVG56/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A little bit expensive those things for the little difference they make though though, plus Craig is like me a English member of the forum, here is the one for us though is you must have one over here > http://www.divineaudio.co.uk/supra-lorad-6-way-mains-distribution-block-with-surge-protection-uk

Yes i must admit that there is a little bit of a difference using a power conditioner Craig, very little for me like but its still there, mine is this > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-Isolator-Cinema-Protector-Sockets/dp/B0002AG9SA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388064053&sr=8-2&keywords=av+power+conditioner for what they do that's plenty enough to pay.
post #6552 of 7274
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Originally Posted by RobMacLennan View Post

A little bit expensive those things for the little difference they make though though, plus Craig is like me a English member of the forum, here is the one for us though is you must have one over here > http://www.divineaudio.co.uk/supra-lorad-6-way-mains-distribution-block-with-surge-protection-uk

Yes i must admit that there is a little bit of a difference using a power conditioner Craig, very little for me like but its still there, mine is this > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-Isolator-Cinema-Protector-Sockets/dp/B0002AG9SA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388064053&sr=8-2&keywords=av+power+conditioner for what they do that's plenty enough to pay.
cheers rob, now thats a better price
post #6553 of 7274
Sorry to hijack this thread with a question guys but I was hoping my question could be answered

In a pitch black room with a movies credits rolling or a scene with very very low apl content is shown does the Kuro blend completely into the room?

Im finding some of the pictures taken and posted here in this thread to be a bit ambitious of what the kuro can really do....they seem VERY OLED like
post #6554 of 7274
Yes they are extremely dark and the pictures are not ambitious in any way they are a truthful representation of what the sets are capable of, here is a link to a uk website with a report and comparison http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm go take a read.

Black levels readings of 0.001 from a klein k10 meter are seriously black do you not think, in fact its returning better black levels than some of the oled reviews out there right now.

SAM_0220_zps67cd2582.jpg~original

Can you even spot where the bezel ends and the room starts?

Scene from Sunshine, how black do you want, no photoshop involved no ev correction no nothing, just pure seriously black content from one of the best sets ever made.

DSC00482.jpg~original
Edited by RobMacLennan - 12/28/13 at 5:36am
post #6555 of 7274
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

i have a blacklevel of 0.002Y (cd/m2) and i cant see any glow at all.

i allways have a goal when posting pictures and that is to show how the Kuro is irl.
to bad that i fail.
even the new 6D camera cant capture the sharpness and dynamic range that the Kuro shows.
the picture is even better than those crappy shots wink.gif

40000:1 ansi contrast is very OLED like i agree.

music_to_my_ear:
read this
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1507182/guide-how-to-get-the-best-out-of-your-pioneer-9g-kuro#post_24107748
you can call it a tweaked to hell Kuro..but everyone can have one smile.gif
they are more dim original due to the power restrictions from 2008


Edit:
i was trying to force some glow some days ago and this is the result from 30sec exposure in a complete dark room with +3.0 exposure compensation after in camera raw.
its the 10% white window you see
the blue glow was with some bad voltage adjustments.
the second one is correct


another thing that is great with the 9G Kuros is that they are so clean in the picture.
i have never seen a plasma that can deliver an LCD LED like picture without any PWM noise.
no noise at all near black either.
well you can see some but you need to stand very close

this is not a Plasma panel! it cant be hehe

(i bought my Kuro 2 months ago so im quite new here)


That does look impressive. I wont deny it but it seems to not reflect what the vast reviews of the ZT60 have been when compared to the Kuro....

I have noticed both of you gents are in Europe and the big ZT60 reviews have been from the US so maybe it is a european isolated kuro event but Davids review over at hdtvtest.co.uk also commented on the similar black levels between the Kuro and ZT60 so its still up in the air for me

FYI, i will look at those pictures again with a calibrated monitor hopefully off my ZT60 with its browser. My laptop isnt calibrated and isnt able to show the full dynamic range of the screenshots
post #6556 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobMacLennan View Post

here is a link to a uk website with a report and comparison http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm go take a read.

i still smile every time i read it.
its like taking candy from small children.
not that i do it but you get the point wink.gif

but i think they failed here or didnt test with different lights in the room
Quote:
In the presence of ambient light hitting the screen, the letterboxing black bars on the Kuro would grey out the most
you can have alot of light in the room IF you dont have any direct light to the panel,thats the keypoint.
the panel will stay inky black.

you can gray out the panel with one single 24w lamp if you want.
the antiglare filter is good but it is sensitive to light from certain directions
Edited by pg_ice - 12/28/13 at 8:58am
post #6557 of 7274
If you wasn't 3,401 miles away i would say come round and take a peep, you would be amazed seriously.
post #6558 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

but the new Canon 6D captures the dynamic range better smile.gif
closer to the picture that the Kuro can deliver irl

time to compare cameras wink.gif?
the other photos was taken with a Sony NEX 5T
not bad for that mini camera.
but its still APS-C sensor vs Full Frame sensor.

Canon 6D with Canon 50mm f1.4 at f5.6
(to bad that i got those lines all over the picture here)

F you have an opening too large ...
you enter in resonance between the screening of Kuro and camera ...
Hence the lines on your screens are Moiré ...
You should take a smaller aperture F ... wink.gif
post #6559 of 7274
I received Oblivion on Blu-ray as an Xmas gift and got around to watching it tonight. Something that stood out to me was how different the film looked on my display compared to the images that I had seen posted here.
pg_ice did a comparison with his Kuro next to the W9, and there have also been comparisons with the Kuros and the last Panasonic sets too.

Most of the comments about these comparisons seem to be how the colors on the Kuro and skintones in particular look so much more natural.
Now, I won't say that the W9 is showing particularly well here, but the Kuro images show a strong magenta tint (the opposite of the claimed "green tint") compared to how the film is actually supposed to look:

oblivion.png oblivion_2.png oblivion_3.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

a few more comparsion pictures
here in a bright lit room daytime with the sun hitting the panels

the dynamic advantage for the Kuro in a low lit room is reduced here as you would expect.
the W9 has a better antiglare filter and an overall higher brightness.
here are both with peak light of 180cd/m2 (the highest i can get from the Kuro)
ABL is set to 200 so it doest dim the picture as much as default
but still there are some reduced brightness comparing to the W9.

everyone knows that this is the worst case scenario for the Kuro but still it holds up well!
just turn down the ambient light some and the Kuro is on pair again.

http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/321873/width/1280/height/1000
http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/321874/width/1280/height/1000
http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/321875/width/1280/height/1000

i got some weird green tint with the S4 camera shooting at the Kuro
nothing you can see otherwise

While you may find the color rendition more pleasing, it doesn't seem to be as accurate, and I suspect that the same will apply to the Panasonic sets as well, where similar results have been shown in the comparisons - less magenta in the skintones, and a warmer looking image.

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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

In a pitch black room with a movies credits rolling or a scene with very very low apl content is shown does the Kuro blend completely into the room?
No, that only happens in photographs, because the display's contrast ratio exceeds the camera's dynamic range.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

i have never seen a plasma that can deliver an LCD LED like picture without any PWM noise.
no noise at all near black either.
well you can see some but you need to stand very close
It really surprises me how much things have changed since these were new. The Kuros seem to have some mythical properties these days.
It amazes me that someone would say the Kuros have a noise-free image, even compared to other plasma displays, let alone LCDs.
Pioneer's CLEAR driving method is the exact opposite of what you describe. Its main trade-off is a reduction in gradation (and a resulting increase in noise) to eliminate dynamic false contouring compared to other driving methods.
Edited by Chronoptimist - 12/28/13 at 1:03pm
post #6560 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

No, that only happens in photographs, because the display's contrast ratio exceeds the camera's dynamic range.

i have only one word for that statement:
LOL!

Go and buy a KURO!
i know you want one smile.gif

what tv did you have again?
post #6561 of 7274
He owned a Kuro many moons ago for a short period from what I understand.
post #6562 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

I received Oblivion on Blu-ray as an Xmas gift and got around to watching it tonight. Something that stood out to me was how different the film looked on my display compared to the images that I had seen posted here.
pg_ice did a comparison with his Kuro next to the W9, and there have also been comparisons with the Kuros and the last Panasonic sets too.

Most of the comments about these comparisons seem to be how the colors on the Kuro and skintones in particular look so much more natural.
Now, I won't say that the W9 is showing particularly well here, but the Kuro images show a strong magenta tint (the opposite of the claimed "green tint") compared to how the film is actually supposed to look:

oblivion.png oblivion_2.png oblivion_3.jpg
While you may find the color rendition more pleasing, it doesn't seem to be as accurate, and I suspect that the same will apply to the Panasonic sets as well, where similar results have been shown in the comparisons - less magenta in the skintones, and a warmer looking image.
No, that only happens in photographs, because the display's contrast ratio exceeds the camera's dynamic range.
It really surprises me how much things have changed since these were new. The Kuros seem to have some mythical properties these days.
It amazes me that someone would say the Kuros have a noise-free image, even compared to other plasma displays, let alone LCDs.
Pioneer's CLEAR driving method is the exact opposite of what you describe. Its main trade-off is a reduction in gradation (and a resulting increase in noise) to eliminate dynamic false contouring compared to other driving methods.

I know with the Kuro 5020/6020 which I own, the majority of them have a red push that could not be completely calibrated out. I do not know about the other Kuro Elite/non Elite models, since I have not owned the others. So in my case, the skin tones will be slightly warmer even after calibration.
post #6563 of 7274
chronoptimist:
its all about tweaking

you must be able to get into the service menu if you want to get absolute blacks.
with a few clicks on one or two volt adjustments i can get my Kuro to show a low low glow with a 5% white window in a complete dark room
lower the same values some and the screen disapears into the dark with only the 5% window floating.

you cant measure that low glow even with a Xrite i1Display Pro that can read down to 0.002Y (cd/m2)
but your eyes will see it after a while in the dark.

to bad that you sold yours
i have some great knowledge now how to turn these into the Kuros they should have been.

i just made a new discovery btw
i will update the reset guide in the red tint thread wink.gif

as for the reset
my black level when i bought the Kuro 1.5 months ago was 0.05Y (just slight lower than the Sony W9)
after the reset it went down to 0.002Y (cd/m2)
thats 0.00058fL
Edited by pg_ice - 12/28/13 at 3:14pm
post #6564 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

chronoptimist:
its all about tweaking

you must be able to get into the service menu if you want to get absolute blacks.
with a few clicks on one or two volt adjustments i can get my Kuro to show a low low glow with a 5% white window in a complete dark room
lower the same values some and the screen disapears into the dark with only the 5% window floating.

you cant measure that low glow even with a Xrite i1Display Pro that can read down to 0.002Y (cd/m2)
but your eyes will see it after a while in the dark.

to bad that you sold yours
i have some great knowledge now how to turn these into the Kuros they should have been.

i just made a new discovery btw
i will update the reset guide in the red tint thread wink.gif

as for the reset
my black level when i bought the Kuro 1.5 months ago was 0.05Y (just slight lower than the Sony W9)
after the reset it went down to 0.002Y (cd/m2)
thats 0.00058fL

Which voltages did you adjust while displaying 5% white window?
post #6565 of 7274
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Originally Posted by wxman View Post

Which voltages did you adjust while displaying 5% white window?

check the red tint thread i will explain smile.gif
post #6566 of 7274
Oh, look, it's, Chronoptimist. Someone who thinks LCD's are more CRT looking than plasmas. And somehow better.

Never mind him.
Edited by saprano - 12/29/13 at 7:23am
post #6567 of 7274
Quote:
Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Oh, look, it's, Chronoptimist. Someone who thinks LCD's are more CRT looking than plasmas. And somehow better.

Neve rmind him.

+1
post #6568 of 7274
I've been involved in some heated arguments after some of his claims in the flat panel display tech subforum, but he's had some good things to say about the Panasonics, and contrary to what seems to be a common belief held in this thread, plasma development didn't come to a screeching halt in 2009.
Edited by vinnie97 - 12/28/13 at 10:53pm
post #6569 of 7274
More like 2008
post #6570 of 7274
With the PS3, the ST60 on " True Cinema " RGB (Skyfall) BD :




ST60 also gives a good deep blacks ...
0.005 cd/m² ... wink.gif
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