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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Help,

I am just completing the rough-in of my theater, and I am in the process of picking out my PJ and screen.. I would love to project onto a 120 diagonal screen.

My theater is:

In my basement and is 23' by 11', the ceiling is 8' tall.
It will be carpeted on the floors and walls with a dark burgundy.
The ceiling will be flat black acoustical tiles.
It is wired for 7.1 sound, but will be 5.1 for now.

The equipment I presently own and will use is:

Yamaha AVR RXV-2700.
Sony HD-A2 HD DVD player.
Sony PS-3 for the blue ray player.
Martin Logan Clarity for the loudspeakers.
Martin Logan Fresco's for the center and surround.
Velodyne DLS-R for the sub.

The theater will be used primarily for movies, with sports being our second passion.

I would like to spend about $5,000.00. I have been looking at the following:

PJ's that might not prove bright enough for a 120 screen:

Panasonic PT-AE1000U
JVC DL-RS1
Sony VPL-VW 50
Optoma HD-81
Epson Home Cinema 1080

PJ's that may well prove excellent choices but I don't know enough about or whose ceiling mounting will prove problematic with a 8' ceiling:

JVC DL-RS2
Sony VPL-VW 60
IN -82
Panasonic PT-AE2000U.

I realize that this is a lot of information but I was hoping some of you guru's might be able to visualize a perfect fit, for our needs.


Thanks
post #2 of 13
Hey Cam,

Is your 120" a diagonal or width? Most of those projectors would have enough brightness for the screen though it depends on just how bright you want it.

THe RS1 is one of the brightest. The new VW60 from Sony would be okay. THe HD81LV would also be bright enough. You could also throw in the IN82.

I think what we could do is once we know the measurement (width or diagonal) we can do some calculations for you and you can see how many foot lamberts you'd have and make a decision based off that.

Richard
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Richard,

Thanks for such a prompt response. I was planning on a 120' Diagonal screen, of course some of the dimmer PJ's would work if I got a higher gain screen.

Cam
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by Cam6977 View Post

Richard,

Thanks for such a prompt response. I was planning on a 120' Diagonal screen, of course some of the dimmer PJ's would work if I got a higher gain screen.

Cam

120', WOW! Sounds like IMAX
post #5 of 13
I can't imagine the size of his house!!!
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Being a "hunt and peck," typist has it's drawbacks including that of selecting the "foot (')sign," vs the " inches (")sign." Of course I was trying to say 120" diagonal screen. The good thing about such an error is I get more responses;>)

Cam
post #7 of 13
my room is 14'x25' with a 8' screen. the screen size enabled me to sit closer to the screen and have two rows of seats and a two seat bar table in the back of the room. I get a good image and I can move my projector closer to the screen in front of my ceiling lights. Size is not always better.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks,

I also am setting mine up with a dry bar at the back with two rows of seats, it may be, I will have to go to a smaller screen. Is yours an 8' diagonal?

Cam
post #9 of 13
Okay there are many things that go into screen size. How far do you like to sit away from, or in proximity to, a theater screen when you go to the local Octoplex? Do you think that screen is dim or bright?

If you're planning sports you may have the lights on at times. To combat ambient light, if any, usually a higher gain screen with a gray base material helps improve black level and foot lamberts.

If you, like you said, you want to focus on this as a movie theater mostly screen, then I'd recommend a white material with a slightly higher gain. Much like Stewarts Studio Tek 130 which is 1.3 gain.

We can get into all the back and forth details of course but here is what some of these projectors will give you in terms of light output measured as foot lamberts. Please note that these measurements are taken from Jason's reviews and what we've measured here at the AV Science lab (makes maniacal cackling sound as lighting bolts bounce back and forth between two radio towers).

Here are some fl measurements.

Screen = 58.75" H x 104.5" W x 120" D

Sony VW-60: 500-600 lumens regular use = 17 ft lamberts (1.3 gain screen)
RS1: 500-600 lumens regular use = 17 ft lamberts (1.3 gain screen)
In-82: 500-1000 lumens regular use = 20 ft lamberts (1.3 gain screen)

These are averages but bear in mine, a movie theater is about 13 fl with film in the gate, 24fps.

Not bad.

Richard
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Richard,

Thanks for the info. I usually sit towards the back and like a reasonably well lit screen. The PJ's you described seem to fit the bill wilth the exception of the IN-82, I can't find the literature but I believe it, like the Optoma HD80, has a 136% vertical fixed offset. This would prove problematic in that my theater is only 8'3" tall. If I have figured things correctly that would place the top of the screen approx 21" from the top and the bottom near 19" from the floor. I am real new to this, so I may have misunderstood the info I have been reading. The other consideration is that the theater won't be finished for a few more weeks and it may be prudent to see where the JVC, Pany 2000, and other projectors fall with regard to price and performance.

Once again thanks for all your info and assistance.

Sincerely,

Cam
post #11 of 13
Cam,

You take the height of the screen and multiply by 36% and that's how high above or below the screen the projector can be mounted.

The RS2 is rumored to have even less lumens thatn the RS1. It will have some other improvements though. We'll wait and see then for you.

What is important to you in terms of ANSI contrast, black level, pop of color? Where would you rate these?

Richard
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Richard,

Like a lot of "non-videofiles," I like a lot of brightness, deep colors, with a rather sharp edge!

Cam
post #13 of 13
Cool, when these projectors come out we'll list the strengths and advantages. But normally color edge goes to the DLP side. Brightness usually to the LCD or DLP if it's a 3chip. Depends though if you're using a xenon bulb which is brighter like in the new Sony VW200 vs straight LCOS or SXRD. Though SXRD and LCOS is known for it's black levels a la the Ruby and upcoming RS2.

Oh the humanity! So many choices...

Richard
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