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post #301 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalumrt View Post

I will eventually get a A/V receiver that has HDMI inputs and outputs. They have ones with two parallel HDMI outputs... Does anyone make a A/V HDMI receiver that outputs to two HDMI, but with a selectable source?

+1
I'm also looking for such AV solution.
haven't found yet though.

rgds
Zbig
post #302 of 511
This switch works with cables hdmi-dvi?
I have proven 3 switch mirror and it doesn't work me with this cable.
My projector is Optoma H79 with entrance dvi.

thank you
post #303 of 511
It looks like Monoprice has removed this matrix switch from their website? They now only list the PRO model which, to my knowledge, has never been in stock?
post #304 of 511
This item is apparently discontinued, argh, I ordered one in Oct from Parts Express, it was backordered and due in yesterday. I called them yesterday to hear the bad news. Anyone know of a similar product that is around this price?
post #305 of 511
Sewell Direct has the same switch for $100 (Appogee). do a search under HDMI Switch

I bought it but it did not work 100 percent. I think many stores are discontinuing because it doesn't work properly.
I have found several receivers with dual HDMI outs, but they are rather pricey. I believe next generation of receivers will have multiple room capability that will include HDMI.

Regarding this switch not working with DVI on some projectors.... you guys need to remember that in order for anything HDMI to work properly, the devices must be HDCP compliant. Many projectors are not, because they are designed to work with computers DVI that are not HDCP compliant
post #306 of 511
I had the monoprice 4x2 (HDX-402) My display was Epson 1080UB, my sources were Metal Gear Solid 4 80GB PS3 & my DirecTV HR21-100 box. I can't speak for its ability to pass audio because the projector has no audio and I hooked my PS3 & the DirecTV box directly to my older receiver (no HDMI) with the optical link. My only issue I had was I would have to push the button on the remote twice to change the source/display. It was the newest version matrix from them purchased in 7/08. Seeing that monoprice does not appear to be restocking the unit I am looking for something else similar that is near the same price. Unfortunately someone broke into my place and made off with all that gear. So now I'm looking to replace it all. and since monoprice isn't selling them anymore I'm looking for something else. I have found a few potential units but am looking for people that have tried them. Here is what I found for those that may be interested in trying one of these out as well.

4x2 HSS0402 ($80-$125) & 4x4 HSS0404 ($499-$599)

http://www.ce-link.com/products.asp?...=HDMI%20Matrix

You can also find them on ebay that look exactly the same as the monoprice box (minus the monoprice silkscreen on top).

Nick
post #307 of 511
Anybody tried the HSS0402 4x2 matrix switch box mentioned above ?
post #308 of 511
Anymore updates on the Rev2.5 of this model ? Possible alternatives that are known to work similar (4x2, 4x3, 4x4 ?) in this price point ?
post #309 of 511
Site shows v2.5 it will be back in stock on Dec. 30th

Why is this unit $10 less then 4X2 HDMI 1.2?
post #310 of 511
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Originally Posted by sixer6 View Post

Site shows v2.5 it will be back in stock on Dec. 30th

Why is this unit $10 less then 4X2 HDMI 1.2?

Don't know, but the Pro switch is not a matrix switch. It's just a 4-input switch with a 2-way splitter on the output.
post #311 of 511
Back in stock guys, just ordered. Hopefully it works!
post #312 of 511
I gave up on this device. Had three different ones .. although they are all the same units with different names on them. None of them dont work consistently on all systems.
Instead I bought a Onkyo Receiver with two HDMI outputs. Not as versatile as a matrix switch but serves my purposes.
post #313 of 511
I also gave up my dreams of 4x2 matrixed goodness. I could never get this puppy or its replacement working. Sources were 2 AppleTVs, DirecTV HD PVR and a Panny BD35 (which replaced a PS3).

In its place now sits the best thing I could make work from Monoprice: a 1x2 HDMI splitter and 2 physical 2x1 HDMI switches. Basically, one of the AppleTVs is connected to the splitter, with output 1 going to an HP 42" plasma, and output 2 going to input 1 of switch 2. The PVR goes to input 1 of switch 1; the Panny goes to input 2 of switch 1. The output of switch 1 goes to input 2 of switch 2. The output of switch 2 goes to a Panny 50" plasma. So, at least now I can show a single AppleTV on two displays and still maintain so semblance of switching order. Personally, I found the *any* non-physical HDMI switch just would not work for me. Meh.

The hardest part is training the wife on what buttons to push on the two switches.
post #314 of 511
Maybe I can help on this
I found and bought a 4x2 from dealextreme, paid about 120$ cad, works perfectly until now
My setup

Input
PS3, Motorola HD Box starchoice, Sony DVD changer 995, HTPC

Output A
Samsung LNA750
Output B
Viewsonic 3752

this is the item, very similaro to monoprice but has a query button on the remote for each output

My ampli is a yamaha 6190B, I'll put a manual hdmi switch in case I want to route the HDMI throught the receiver (I didn't due to the clipping story on the yamaha), also output B will have another switch (or splitter if will work) to go in the kitchen TV (Samsung LNA550), 60feet away, just bought an unitek HDMI baloon, it uses two cat5e to route the signal, I'll post the results.




dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16554

Hope this helps
post #315 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinuz View Post

Maybe I can help on this
I found and bought a 4x2 from dealextreme, paid about 120$ cad, works perfectly until now
My setup

Input
PS3, Motorola HD Box starchoice, Sony DVD changer 995, HTPC

Output A
Samsung LNA750
Output B
Viewsonic 3752

this is the item, very similaro to monoprice but has a query button on the remote for each output

My ampli is a yamaha 6190B, I'll put a manual hdmi switch in case I want to route the HDMI throught the receiver (I didn't due to the clipping story on the yamaha), also output B will have another switch (or splitter if will work) to go in the kitchen TV (Samsung LNA550), 60feet away, just bought an unitek HDMI baloon, it uses two cat5e to route the signal, I'll post the results.




dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16554

Hope this helps


I just ordered this switch. I am a glutton for punishment. I got the initial 1.0 version when it first came out, then the 2.0 version. I returned both because I could never get it work correctly.

I have since changed by configuration a little and hope that my change will accomodate the shortcomings of the device to point where it is worth keeping. Will keep everyone posted.
post #316 of 511
FYI - I just got the mono 4x2 that is back in stock and it doesnt work for me. HTPC, AppleTV, XBox 360. They all work at times and then they don't.

I don't need matrix, I just need to be able to switch to my projector or HDCP compliant monitor. I am looking at getting the Marantz vs3002 now since it has 2 outputs just not simultaneous.

Any other models with at least 3 inputs and 2 outputs (no matrix) to look at?
post #317 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I just ordered this switch. I am a glutton for punishment. I got the initial 1.0 version when it first came out, then the 2.0 version. I returned both because I could never get it work correctly.

I have since changed by configuration a little and hope that my change will accomodate the shortcomings of the device to point where it is worth keeping. Will keep everyone posted.

If all devices are hdcp compliant then all should work, note that the viesonic tv (bedroom) has an hdmi 25 feet long (24awg for in wall installation).

Ideally I need a 4x4 but I didnt want to take the chance after all the problems but this unit seems to work quiet good.
post #318 of 511
Is there a certain model matrix that can be used through an IP based system?
post #319 of 511
Well, I just received my 4x2 true matrix rev 2.5 today. It works fine on the 1920x1080 acer, but I can't get 1920x1200 to work with the 8800gtx and dell 2407wfp.
post #320 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinuz View Post

If all devices are hdcp compliant then all should work...

Thanks, it's been a long day...I needed a laugh.

I've tested/used/scrapped about 5 different HDMI switches/DAs, and save for the physical switchers, all have presented issues, even with simple testbed setups (e.g., PS3 into HDMI 1x2 DA feeding 2 identical HP or 2 identical Panny displays would hiccup, ditto for different sources, Tosh A2, AppleTV, Panny BD-35, etc.). This stuff just isn't stable--very discouraging.
post #321 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertMahle View Post

FYI - I just got the mono 4x2 that is back in stock and it doesnt work for me. HTPC, AppleTV, XBox 360. They all work at times and then they don't.

I don't need matrix, I just need to be able to switch to my projector or HDCP compliant monitor. I am looking at getting the Marantz vs3002 now since it has 2 outputs just not simultaneous.

Any other models with at least 3 inputs and 2 outputs (no matrix) to look at?

Robert:
I did lots of research on receivers with dual HDMI. The following are a list of receivers that have at least 4 HDMI inputs and 2 outputs. There are also more expensive ones, but I did not have more than $2500 in my budget. Be prepared to pay at least $1000 for one of these receivers.

Here they are:

Yamaha RX-V 3900 $1800
Has networking capability and will do both HDMI outputs at the same time or separately)
Has Anchor Bay video processing which is excellent.

Denon AVR-4308CI $2500
One HDMI output at a time
Has wireless networking.
DCDi By Faroudja Video Processing is dated.
Comes with Audyssey Laboratories' MultEQ X, but must pay Denon extra $150 for firmware to get Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
(you'd think for $2500 you get that feature)

Onkyo TX-SR876 $1599
No networking capability, and will do one output at a time.
Has HQV Reon-VX video processing which is excellent.
Comes with Audyssey Laboratories' MultEQ X,, including Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
(this is the one I got at B&H for $990)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...1_Channel.html
or Amazon for same price
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance

Onkyo TX-NR906
Same as above but with networking and much better amplifier $1999 but can be had for $1499


I am extremely happy with this Onkyo TX-SR876.
I did not need networking capability so I chose this one, not to mention the $600 discount. The video processing is outstanding, and so is the Audyssey sound setup.
I highly recommend this receiver.
post #322 of 511
What a chore.

For those who have not read it let me summarize for you.

No one. Repeat - NO ONE has bought one of these 4x2 matrix switchers and had it work successfully for them (with both audio and video) without any issues at all. Most had anough issues to send them back. ESPECIALLY if they used 3-4 input devices and tried two simultaneously on different display devices.

The last post seems to be very helpful. I will also add to that list a Marantz unit SR 7002 with a list price of $1400 that has two HDMI outputs, and may be able to send different signals to each one at the same time. I can't tell from what I have read so far.

Thanks again to all who tried and failed. We all appreciate those who came before us!

leonp
post #323 of 511
I just thought I had to leave a positive post, given that most posts are negative. I bought the later monoprice version (October, I believe) and have it feeding a Sharp 52" LCD and Samsung 32" LCD (50 feet away with no problem at all) from cable box, htpc, and dvd player. It works perfectly for video (audio switched separately so I can't speak to that section) with either the same or different sources routed to either tv's. My ONLY issue with it is that it requires you select the source again when first turning on the equipment (static until you do so) and it does take several seconds to switch. Of course it forces resolution down to 1080i (the highest common denominator) when both tv's are on.

The feeling I get from limited research is that there are problems with almost all HDMI switchers (because the HDCP protocol is such a pain) and different combinations of source and tv give different switchers difficulty. I was lucky, but will the next component I buy work? How's the average guy supposed to figure this out? It wastes a lot of time and money.
post #324 of 511
Leon:
Thanks for the post!
I checked out manual of the Marantz SR 7002 [http://us.marantz.com/DFU_SR7002_SR8...al_eng.pdf]and called tech support (why? cause I love this stuff!) and learned the following that I though I'd share:

1. this receiver It will only output HDMI from one output at a time. You must select either HDMI output 1 or 2.

2.The onscreen display is not outputted via HDMI or component outputs( big down for me! why even have it if you cannot use it)
Maranzt are good, but they always seem to be a step behind on technology. It's a shame because they are excellent quality.

From all my extensive research on this subject, the only receivers that outputs a signal to both HDMI simultaneously are the Yamahas. As far as I could find there are none that output different signals to each HDMI (this is a matrix switch). Of course this will soon change (probably for next generation of receivers). The technology is available as seen on outboard HDMI matrix switches, but manufactures have to release new stuff in steps, so that they can continue to sell products. If they gave us all the latest stuff in one package, people would not upgrade as often.

Fabrrut:
I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience.
HDMI carries both audio and video signals which is the great benefit about it. But how can you say it the switch works
perfectly when you are not using as intended? It is working for you because you are only using a portion of its circuitry.
But why are you not using the audio portion of the HDMI? I hope you realize that you cannot enjoy the new generation of
surround (True HD, Master DTS, etc) without HDMI audio? Unless you are using the 7.1 analog outputs available in certain
higher end Bluray
players. How is your equipment setup? maybe I can suggest some different setups for you? Just a thought...

You are right that these cheap switches have problems, after all what do you expect for $100.Ther are many other matrix switches that have no problems The Gefen matrix switches work flawlessly, but are in the thousand dollar range, so I would not personally spend that money on them.

To summarize:
As Leon mentioned in his earlier, everyone seems to have problems with these cheap switches, I personally would not waste my time or money on them.
Anyhow, I hope this helps people out there.



Quote:
Originally Posted by leonp View Post

What a chore.

For those who have not read it let me summarize for you.

No one. Repeat - NO ONE has bought one of these 4x2 matrix switchers and had it work successfully for them (with both audio and video) without any issues at all. Most had anough issues to send them back. ESPECIALLY if they used 3-4 input devices and tried two simultaneously on different display devices.

The last post seems to be very helpful. I will also add to that list a Marantz unit SR 7002 with a list price of $1400 that has two HDMI outputs, and may be able to send different signals to each one at the same time. I can't tell from what I have read so far.

Thanks again to all who tried and failed. We all appreciate those who came before us!

leonp
post #325 of 511
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say anyone else's experience was wrong, just that for a simple setup it could work well. I was happy staying with my component switcher until I set up an HTPC.

The component video output was horrible from the HTPC, so I changed to this switcher and it works great for me with cable box and dvd player using dvi to hdmi cables and the HTPC using an hdmi cable. Although I would love to have the improved audio quality from HDMI with Blu-ray, I need to get both multichannel output and stereo output simultaneously (for multiroom) and haven't figured out how to easily do so with HDMI audio so am going to live with regular Dolby Digital/DTS for now. I hope I haven't taken this forum too far off of it's topic.
post #326 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalumrt View Post

Robert:
I did lots of research on receivers with dual HDMI. The following are a list of receivers that have at least 4 HDMI inputs and 2 outputs. There are also more expensive ones, but I did not have more than $2500 in my budget. Be prepared to pay at least $1000 for one of these receivers.

Here they are:

Yamaha RX-V 3900 $1800
Has networking capability and will do both HDMI outputs at the same time or separately)
Has Anchor Bay video processing which is excellent.

Denon AVR-4308CI $2500
One HDMI output at a time
Has wireless networking.
DCDi By Faroudja Video Processing is dated.
Comes with Audyssey Laboratories' MultEQ X, but must pay Denon extra $150 for firmware to get Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
(you'd think for $2500 you get that feature)

Onkyo TX-SR876 $1599
No networking capability, and will do one output at a time.
Has HQV Reon-VX video processing which is excellent.
Comes with Audyssey Laboratories' MultEQ X,, including Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
(this is the one I got at B&H for $990)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...1_Channel.html
or Amazon for same price
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance

Onkyo TX-NR906
Same as above but with networking and much better amplifier $1999 but can be had for $1499


I am extremely happy with this Onkyo TX-SR876.
I did not need networking capability so I chose this one, not to mention the $600 discount. The video processing is outstanding, and so is the Audyssey sound setup.
I highly recommend this receiver.

Not sure what you mean by seperately "Yamaha RX-V 3900 $1800
Has networking capability and will do both HDMI outputs at the same time or separately)".

If you mean matrix, then that is wrong. It will mirror, but not matrix. I also beleive that output B only does audio out via HDMI, not video.
post #327 of 511
just came across this thread: I am looking for a 1.3 4x4 solution

I have been using a Gefen 4x4 HDMI Matrix switch for a couple of years now: pretty happy with it until recently

Turns out there is an upgrade available to make it 1.3 compliant....has to be sent back to Gefen...and they won't cover it claiming the switch is out of warranty. So some of my newest components, including a Sony BDP-S5000ES and DVDO Edge will not work with it [all my displays are 1080p including a KURO 141]

I tried the Firefold switcher but it was extremely slow: sent it back

another member recommended a 6x6 switch that he has used:

http://www.digitalextender.com/Searc...?CategoryID=19

but that is a lot of $$$

Now I see Atlona has a 4x4 switch that looks promising:
http://www.atlona.com/4x4-Atlona-HDM...3-p-17379.html

anyone have experience with the Atlona? any other ideas?
post #328 of 511
I tried before two versions of Monoprice 4X2 matrix switch. They failed. Monoprice offered me a store credit.
I did not use this credit until Dec 31, 2008. I ordered the updated switch and it is working. I have D* HR20, HR21, PC with ATI 450, and recently Panasonic BD35K ($149 at Sears Sunday before Black Friday web error deal). As outputs I use 1080p Mitsubishi 65" DLP and 720p Panasonic PTL50U. So they did something to improve it.
post #329 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by AP82 View Post

I tried before two versions of Monoprice 4X2 matrix switch. They failed. Monoprice offered me a store credit.
I did not use this credit until Dec 31, 2008. I ordered the updated switch and it is working. I have D* HR20, HR21, PC with ATI 450, and recently Panasonic BD35K ($149 at Sears Sunday before Black Friday web error deal). As outputs I use 1080p Mitsubishi 65" DLP and 720p Panasonic PTL50U. So they did something to improve it.

Thanks for your feedback! Are you referring to the Rev 2.5 I assume? Do you mind elaborating more on your experiences with it?

If you are trying to output 7.1/5.1 audio, does it not downgrade it to stereo anymore if one of the devices does not take multichannel audio (e.g. your projector)?
post #330 of 511
No, it passes audio just fine in DD from HR2x. I have Sony 910 receiver and it shows DD audio on TV side. For projector I need only video and I am switching audio with Audio Authority toslink switch.
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