Triad Owner's Thread - Page 8

Originally Posted by AudioGdad

Gentlemen: I recently came across 4 Silver 4 InWall speakers that I purchased from the insurance company who employs me. They were salvaged after being involved in a water damage claim in Tulsa, OK, and came from a very high end home theater. I also got a Digital Projection Ivision 20HD front projector which is currently in Deerfield Beach, FL, who is trying to repair the main logic board that got a little water on it. I'm hoping for the best as that's a $7,000 unit and I've herad good reviews. The speakers are in perfect shape, and so far I'm throttled by their performance. The only issue that has me a little baffled is that they appear to be designed to be mounted with the low frequency driver mounted on the top, and the two tweeters mounted on the bottom. The Triad press photos all appear to have them turned upside down. Either that, or mine are mounted incorrectly. Since Triads are not designed to be installed by anyone other than a licensed professional, which I am not, it's difficult to get information regarding their correct installation. They have stickers on the "top," marked right and left with an arrow pointing toward the front of the theater, so I think they're correct, but I want to make sure I have them correct before actually mounting them to the studs. Any thoughts? In addition, since I'm limited by space on the back wall, I have no choice but to place the two rear channel speakers only 2" from each other and slightly to the left of center. I've heard that they should be mounted with the arrows pointing toward each other. But since I'm still confused about the correct installation of the RS and LS channels, I don't want to take anything for granted. Please help. Thanks.

Originally Posted by baltik

Paul - I may have to move my inwall omni's from one room to another, Unfortunatly the room is a different color - any DIY paint tips? I presume i should be using a slightly diluted spray? do i need to sand/primer?

thanks

Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli

They cannot be painted without spraying them, and if they've been painted once, they cannot be painted again. Unfortunately, you need new grills. The frames you can paint with a brush. You might want to contact your dealer to see what he would charge just for grill inserts, custom painted. I feel your pain. I went through the same thing when I repainted my living room. It won't hurt to try to paint them yourself, but they really need to be paint-free first and then sprayed. Expanded metal doesn't have perforations; it has slits. I tried painting some here, and they looked like crap.

Originally Posted by baltik

Sorry just want to clarify - if the grilles are standard triad white (were not custom matched on original order) does that qualify them as unpainted?

Originally Posted by NCCaniac

I am in the process of upgrading my AV system to 5.1 surround and the room is a very open floorplan with a 9' ceiling that flows into the kitchen at the back and has a large passthrough "window" and doorway on one side leading to the living room. Knowing this would limit placement for the rear surrounds, I had the room pre-wired when the house was built to allow for installation of the rears in the ceiling to either side and just behind of the main seating area facing the wall with the TV and AV system. The location of the rears will be about 12' back from the fronts, and the room as about 15' wide (although as I mentioned, it is a very open floorplan).

I just purchased a NAD T775 receiver and have the Era Design 5 speakers for the fronts and center channel. I am considering Triads for the rears but not exactly sure which inceiling speakers would match best and not blow my budget. (The NAD T775 is very nice, but a lot more than the prior NAD amp and tuner I bought 20 years ago. ) I tend to use the system about 50-50 for music listening vs. home theater.

From what I read on the Triad site, it sounds like the Omni Rounds have a directional tweeter which I could aim at the listening area for the rears. With a mix of music and home theater, would the Omni Round 8 (or 6) be a better choice than one of the other speakers with the angled baffles? With the open floorplan, when listening to music, I am more interested in filling the space than sitting on the sofa and just listening.

Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli

The angled-baffle square-grill InCeiling models are far better, and you could also consider our InWall Bronze/4 Surrounds in the ceiling. I'm not a fan of round ceiling speakers for home theater applications, despite the fact that we sell them and often they're used for surrounds. No, the OmniRounds would not be a better choice, to answer your question, but they would cost about half as much as one of our square ceiling offerings. The OmniRound8 is $300, and the Bronze Surround is $600 each. The InCeiling Silver/8 Omni has recently been redesigned, and it's $550, with an angled baffle.

Originally Posted by NCCaniac

Thanks for the info, Paul. Just a couple of follow-up questions. On the Triad site, I see the InCeiling Silver/6 Omni and the InCeiling Silver/8 Omni SE, but no (non-SE) Silver/8 Omni. Is the Silver/6 Omni the one that was recently redesigned and $550, or is there another variant that is not on the web site?

Also, do the square grill InCeiling models do as good a job of not letting sound bleed to the upper floor as the OmniRounds? I would assume so, but the description of the OmniRounds specificially mentions that.

Originally Posted by avtexan

Paul:

I currently have B & W CWM 800 in walls for L & R, a CWM Cinema for center, and CCM65's for surround. They are powered by a B & K Ref 30 pre/pro and a B & K 125.7 S2 amp.

The speakers are mounted very high on the wall. I have not been happy with the sound of the system as the sound stage seems too "high".

I was looking to move the B & W's to my bedroom and replace them with Triad's. I was looking at the Bronze 8/LCR and the Bronze 4/ Surrounds.

The LCR's are currently 9 1/2 feet high. There is 13 feet between the L & R speaker. The front wall is 16 feet from the wall behind the sofa.

What would your suggestions be? Would the Bronze 8/LCR be OK to mount on the wall versus the ceiling? What is the angle of the speaker? Would the wall placement make the sound stage seem to "low"?

Your or anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli

No problem mounting inwalls into a false wall, as long as it's sturdy enough to hold the speakers solidly.

You are correct that you'll excite fewer room modes with the sub in the middle of a wall, but you'll also get much less bass. I prefer more coupling with the room, and then dealing with the peaks after the fact with acoustical material or EQ.

Originally Posted by CJO

Thanks for your quick response.

Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli

That's a tough room because the acoustics are live, and you have the dreaded "TV above the fireplace" scenario. The faux finish mandates you put replacement speakers where the current ones are. The B&Ws are good speakers, but with the room and the positioning, I wouldn't expect stellar results. The installer did what he could.

You could certainly install three InCeiling Bronze/8 LCRs into the wall, if you have 8" of wall depth, which is unlikely. The speakers have a 45-degree angle to the baffle, and they would put you more on axis at the seating area. The perceived soundstage would be lower, and it would correspond with your screen.

This may be a trivial issue, but you could order the speakers in your wall's base coat, and do the faux paint to get a better look, or we could do a color that would blend in better. The current grills are too light, and they stick out.

Originally Posted by avtexan

If I mount them on the wall with a 45 degree angle will the sound field appear to low? If my math is correct the speaker would be "pointing" about 6 feet in front of my rear seating position. I understand there would be some dispersion, but would this be better or worse than what I have now? 60-65 degrees would be perfect.

As far as paint goes I would be fine with a base coat and to faux them. My faux person did that on my current set-up. It actually looks really good but did not come out very well in the pic.

As far as surrounds (pic attached). What would your recommendations be? I am not quite sure on the width that I have. Would something like the Bronze 4/ Surrounds work or would you recommend something else?

Originally Posted by avtexan

Paul:

I currently have B & W CWM 800 in walls for L & R, a CWM Cinema for center, and CCM65's for surround. They are powered by a B & K Ref 30 pre/pro and a B & K 125.7 S2 amp.

The speakers are mounted very high on the wall. I have not been happy with the sound of the system as the sound stage seems too "high".

I was looking to move the B & W's to my bedroom and replace them with Triad's. I was looking at the Bronze 8/LCR and the Bronze 4/ Surrounds.

The LCR's are currently 9 1/2 feet high. There is 13 feet between the L & R speaker. The front wall is 16 feet from the wall behind the sofa.

What would your suggestions be? Would the Bronze 8/LCR be OK to mount on the wall versus the ceiling? What is the angle of the speaker? Would the wall placement make the sound stage seem to "low"?

Your or anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli

The angled-baffle square-grill InCeiling models are far better, and you could also consider our InWall Bronze/4 Surrounds in the ceiling.

Originally Posted by NCCaniac

Paul, one more question I was wondering about. I understand how the square InCeiling Omni models would work in the ceiling as rear surrounds. (As you have mentioned before, just behind the listening area with the angled baffles in toward the listening area.) You suggested the InWall Bronze/4 Surrounds as another option for mounting in the ceiling. With their dipole full range drivers and straight ahead woofer, it is not obvious how they would be positioned in a ceiling mount for best sound.