Triad Owner's Thread - Page 101

In fact, you're this cool...

What kind of difference should I expect between the Micro SAT 3.0, Micro LCR 3.0 and Mini LCR 3.0?

I will be putting this in my living room which is a smallish room (8x14) but it is part of an open floor plan so there is really only about 2.5 walls surrounding the space.

I am looking to pair the solution with a 52" LCD TV, a Denon 1712 AVR and an Emotiva Ultra 12 sub. I will be sitting about 8 feet from the screen.

I am looking for the "sound bar" to sit on the a/v cabinet under the TV to appease my wife (she doesn't want any speakers in/on the walls) and I am trying to keep the price around $1000.

I have been looking at other solutions like the Mythos SSA-50, Atlantic Technology F-4000 and Paradigm Millenia Trio 20 but I really like some of Paul's recent statements about fidelity. Is it possible to get that with these LCR solutions?

Hi Paul thanks for your reply i was thinking of using them for back rear surrounds i have a pair of gold inroom surrounds i was thinking about using for sides.

But a few things have changed and now i'm only gonna be having 1 row of seats and not 2 so i was thinking of selling the inroom gold surrounds and using diract radiating speakers instead. thoughts?

hmm heres a thought two more lcr plats for rears ?

The OnWall MicroSat 3.0 is (for now) $600. It works very well. The $900 OnWall Micro LCR handles more power and is more sensitive, for about 4 dB more output, which is substantial. That would be my recommendation to stay within your budget. If you can spend $1,200 and you have room for a speaker that's 5-5/8" deep, the OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 is your best choice. It really performs like three LCRs. All three of these speakers have that nice, natural, uncolored sound.

I'd keep the Gold Surrounds for sides, unless the room is very wide. Gold Monitors may work better than Platinum LCRs for rear surrounds because of the wider dispersion pattern, due to the phase plug in the Scan-Speak Revelator tweeter and no dispersion control lens like the Platinum LCR.

Paul,

Your new sig pic is freaking me out...............

As I read through the threads, your eyes seem to watch every move I make..............scarey!

On another note, I've been contemplating a full blown PHC system for the dedicated theater room, but will wait to hear the Plats.........and continue reading Craigjohns' impressions with interest.............

And no, I've not given up on the Gold Monitors..........actually planning on using Gold Monitors for 2 channel in the "Great Room"............no one, and I mean no one will keep me from getting my Gold Monitors!

I just noticed the pic too.

Paul are you at the Jersey shore? Stop fist pumping!

That's my "Blue Steel" look...

Is this less creepy or creepier??

Looks like your ex-bank robber mug picture...

Looks like you recently jumped out of a 1994 shag carpeted mutt grooming Van!

Hey, Kid...Wanna buy some speakers??

Another failed attempt by me trying to be humorous.........

I was thinking along the lines of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSiW9vECbIo

The resemblance to Jim Carey in your foto is uncanny! BTW.....please excuse the German, I like keeping up with my Father's language!

Hey Paul

in regards to the plat lcr how high could I have the tweeters? I can't find anything regarding the degree of tilt on the tweeters.

Seating distance from speakers will be between 12 and 15 feet most likely around the 13.5 mark

With the speakers sitting on the front Joinery behind an AT screen the tweeters will be about 3'11 of the ground I can lower the Joinery unit but will mean
Moving the subwoofers out.

Also how far away from the AT screen should the plats be? Iv allowed 10"

You have your tweeters at 47" high, which is probably ideal if you have two rows of seating, and fine if you have one. My tweeters are at 44" with two rows. You can fine tune the movable dispersion control lens, but you're almost perfect. Ten inches is more than sufficient behind an AT screen.

Some of our products are going up in price July 1st, including Gold LCRs and Platinum LCRs, just so you know. If anyone is planning on ordering, now is the time. The Platinum goes up from $7,000 each to $7,500 each. Raw materials have gone up, including copper, which is very high. Rare metals used in magnets are in a cornered market, and have skyrocketed. Our freight costs have gone way up. The value of the dollar is weak, causing drivers from Denmark to be more expensive.

Later, I'll post the other price increases. The Bronze and Silver LCRs that went down in price months ago are still at the lower prices.

If you have Triad planned into your system, you will want to order these models on June to save between $50 and $500 each.

OnWall Mini LCR 2.0 goes from $800 to $850.
OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 goes from $1,200 to $1,300.
OnWall Bronze LCR goes from $800 to $900. (New, lower-priced model in a few months, though.)
InWall Gold/6 LCR goes from $2,150 to $2,250.
InRoom Gold LCR and Center go from $2,000 to $2,150.
InRoom Platinum LCR and Center go from $7,000 to $7,500.
All new round speakers (OpenRound and SealedRound) go up $50 each.
OmniSubs go up a bit.

Again, the rest of the line stays the same, and the Bronze and Silver LCRs that went down in price last year stay at the lower price. Monitors, MiniMonitors, DSP Subs, and Omni SE speakers stay the same.

We didn't want to raise any prices, but we're getting killed by vendors, a devalued dollar, higher shipping rates, etc. Those of you interested in any of the items that go up in price should consider ordering from your authorized Triad dealer soon. We expect a small avalanche of orders, and they'll ship in the order in which they're received.

Gold surrounds?

BTW, would in-wall Gold or Silver LCR in-walls suffice for surround duties mated with Gold Monitors for LCR?

To dipole......... or not to dipole.............that is the question.

Gold Surrounds stay the same at $1,600 each. For Gold Monitors up front, my choice for direct-radiating would be Silver Monitors because of driver similarity, high sensitivity, and many installation options, including InCeiling and a 4"-deep InWall model. As of July 1st, they'll be the same price as the InWall Gold/6 LCR. You could use Silver LCRs, but not in a narrow room because they're fairly directional and they don't have the startling clarity on top that the Silver Monitor has.

And what do you mean "would they suffice??" Sheesh. Yeah, you'd be slumming, but...

Silver Monitor off axis numbers? With two rows of seating, how is dispersion for an 18 foot wide room? Four Silver Monitor side surrounds plus two more for the rears is not exactly going "Getto"!!! I'd rather use only two for the sides and two for the rears. I work hard my money........

Vertical dispersion is wide, and horizontal dispersion, because of the vertical mid/tweet/mid configuration, is narrow. Silver Monitors will make a dramatic, strong surround field, but they shouldn't be place very high so the tweeters fire way over the listeners' heads. Six of them for surround would be, IMHO, about perfect. Of course, four will "suffice."

This is off topic, but I just found this picture buried in my computer. It's a photo of Bill Clinton visiting the Harman Northridge facility back when I worked there in the mid-'90s. President Clinton was given a tour of the factory by Dr. Sidney Harman, himself. One of my reps couldn't resist, and made up captions...

Ok............I see two eyes, a huge mouth............is that Monica Lewinski?

OMG.......I can't believe I said that!

Paul, do you know specifics such as degrees in horizontal dispersion patterns for the Silver Monitors......................I'm drawing up sketches and putting together a final budget to show my wife.......hopefully, she won't flog me!

With two rows of seating, and two sets of side surrounds, you just busted my budget by about 20%!

3 Gold Monitors 3 @ $3800 each
6 Silver Monitors 6 @ $2250 each
2 Plat Subs with rack amps $2750 each

Are my numbers correct?

BTW, sorry for being a pest............and sorry for the Monica comment...........I couldn't help myself.

I don't have specific information, but below 10 kHz, horizontal dispersion is *excellent* out to 60 degrees, *very good* to 90 degrees, and *decent* out to 120 degrees. Sorry. Vertical dispersion is narrower, with -3 dB points coming in typically at 30 degrees.


Those are correct prices for InRoom Gold Monitors, InWall Silver Monitors, and Platinum DSP Subs with RackAmps. I'm still not sure when we'll have RackAmp1000s for Platinum subs, though. We have unlimited supply of the $2,500 version with the onboard plate amp. Our amp vendor is driving us nuts.


No problemo. My wife knows Ms. Lewinski through her job, and people walk up to her all the time and say, "Aren't you Monica Lewinski?" The poised lady replies, "No, but I get that all the time." She and her mother are quite nice.

The time has come......for the great unveiling...

I have posted a few times recently that I had taken possession of a set of Platinum LCR's, a Platinum CC and some Silver Monitors for the surrounds. I then had a friend and fellow forum member DMark1, build me a set of stands for them. We installed them over the weekend, and I am now ready to proudly posts some pictures.

Let's start with the CC. This is the BIGGEST CC I've ever seen, dwarfing other CC speakers by a good margin. It weighs about 130 lbs., so the stand had to be strong and secure. We built the columns out of 2 layers of 3/4" material; an outer layer of furniture grade 9-ply 3/4" plywood and an inner layer of 3/4" MDF. The layers were glued together with ProBond Wood adhesive. The joints were made with a "lock mitre router bit. They came out perfectly square and incredibly strong. Here is a demo of how it works:
http://www.woodshopdemos.com/cmt-lm5.htm
The inside of the CC column was lined with No-Rez to ensure that it added no coloration to the sound.

The plinths were made of dual layers of 3/4" plywood bonded together. The edges were chamfered with a router. The stand was finished with the same black paint used by Triad. Overall, the stand is a perfect match for the speaker in design, mass and color. In addition, it weighs almost as much as the CC speaker itself! Here's how it turned out:



For some size perspective, those are Seaton Sound Submersives on either side of the CC.

We also built stands for the LCR's. They were built the same way as the CC stand. Here is how they turned out:







As you can see from the above pic, all the tweeters turned out at the exact same height. The stands are 23" tall, which places the tweeters at seated ear level of 46", (with the seating on a 6" riser.) Also, behind the red velvet drapes, (which my wife made), is a wall of acoustic treatments. The entire front wall is covered in 2" of acoustical cotton. The corners, floor to ceiling are covered in 8.5" of acoustical cotton. The front end of the room is a big black hole... for both light and sound.

Of course, when you turn off the lights, everything up front completely disappears visually and all you see is the nice big 120" 2.35:1 image. And all you hear is the gigantic sound of these speakers. More on that in a future post...



Craig

The surrounds...

In addition to the new front soundstage, I have also recently added wides surrounds and replaced my side surrounds with Triad Silver Monitors. These were selected after much PM discussion with Paul about the best timbre-match for the Plat's. The Silver Monitors use the exact same mid-woofer that the Plat's use and a tweeter that is very similar to the Plat's tweeter, but without the dispersion lens. My room doesn't lend itself to the recommended mounting of the wides at 60 degrees, but according to Chris Kyriakais of Audyssey, that is a recommendation and not a hard and fast rule. He has aid that there is some flexibility in the guideline. I have therefore mounted mine in the only places they can be mounted... and they turn out to be just under 50 degrees. Here's what they look like:





The tweeters are at the same height as the other front tweeters. The Silver Monitors look a lot smaller than the Plat LCR's, but they have the same big sound. I have them crossed at 110 Hz and the Submersives do a fine job of handling the content below that. (The Plat LCR's are crossed at 80 Hz.) BTW, there is also another Submersive in the rear of the room, which makes localization of the subs a virtual non-issue.

Next... listening impressions...

Craig

Holy sweet Jesus!! I hate you!! Actually, I bask in the bright white light of your aura. What a monster system! I am speechless.

I eagerly await more impressions of the sound. And remember...run the Platinum LCRs and Center as "small." VERY important. They're big, but they're LCRs.

You are the man. NICE!!

Holy crap!!! That looks awesome. I could only imagine how big that sounds. I'm impressed with my gold LCRs, they sound big to me, but yours.......

I'm totally envious.

Well, Paul, as you can tell by my signature, I have a lot of respect for you as well. In fact, you have had as much influence on my systems over the years as anyone. It was your guidance that finally convinced me to go with an AT screen, which was probably the biggest step I have taken in my HT.

Thanks for all your help with the selection of equipment in my current system. If you're ever in Lancaster, PA, please stop by and I would love to show off the system for you.

Craig

Craig,

Great setup...! Can you list the rest of your equipment so we can probably be even more jealous. Really interested in your screen too...!


Just Awesome....no other words.