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post #3181 of 5143
7/6/11 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post
Buddy of mine has the exact setup. Using the second half of the room for a pool table as well. He did have surrounds on the back wall for 7.1 and it was a complete waste. I would go with Paul's suggestion of going with in ceiling a few feet behind the the listening position or even monitors on stands a few feet behind the listening area if that type of layout would work for you.
Thanks for your help!
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post #3182 of 5143
7/6/11 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by funkapotomus View Post

Yes please print and color my drawing. Then, mail it to me and I will put it on my fridge. I promise.

Only if I can stay inside the lines.

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Now, a few more questions. Others have suggested that I put in 9 speakers and have a 2nd zone on the rear wall. When I listen to music, is it going to matter that the music is coming from 25 to 30 feet away? I'd rather use the 2nd zone for my deck.

Use the second zone for your deck, and you can always run all channels in stereo for music for parties.

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I've been looking at an Integra DTR 30.3 or 40.3 and the bronze series speakers (my budget isn't as large as I would like it to be), will that receiver drive those speakers effectively?

That receiver is a good match.

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When do you recommend a rack amp vs. a plate amp on the sub?

If you have room in your rack for the amp, and don't mind spending $250 more, you can opt for the RackAmp. I have the built-in amps, and there's no difference. Until further notice, there ARE no RackAmp 1000 s for the Gold and Platinum DSP Subs; only the built-in amps.

Bottom line, it makes little or no difference.
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post #3183 of 5143
7/6/11 at 10:26am
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post #3184 of 5143
7/7/11 at 5:21pm
Just a drive by..............

Paul,

I know you mentioned it before, I recall you stating Triad can change sub drivers from 8 ohm to 4 ohm ........ie. put two Golds or Plats on the same amp. Yeah, rack amps again.............

Sorry, can't find your post stating the details...........

I would assume.......Discount?

Yeah, two drivers on one amp.............Discount?
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post #3185 of 5143
7/7/11 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Just a drive by..............

Paul,

I know you mentioned it before, I recall you stating Triad can change sub drivers from 8 ohm to 4 ohm ........ie. put two Golds or Plats on the same amp. Yeah, rack amps again.............

Sorry, can't find your post stating the details...........

I would assume.......Discount?

Yeah, two drivers on one amp.............Discount?

No can do. We can make custom Bronze DSP Subs with 8 ohm drivers so the RackAmp350 still sees a 4 ohm load. The 1,000 watt amplifiers are bridged and the minimum they'll handle is 6 ohms. Our 15" and 18" drivers are 6 ohms. We would have to have custom 12 ohm drivers made, and the cost would be prohibitive for the ten we would sell. And anyway, 1,000 watts is perfect for one big honkin' woofer.

And what is this "discount" of which you speak?
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post #3186 of 5143
7/7/11 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post


And what is this "discount" of which you speak?

Just a spin off from a "Progressive Insurance" advertisement.............

Thought using one amp would lower cost.............ie. discount.
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post #3187 of 5143
7/8/11 at 8:22am
Hi, I've been a long time Triad fan and finally posting here... I actually just upgraded to Plats... bought adz523's demo set up (back from first page of this thread). Only just got it all hooked up but here are a few pics... and a comparison to my Golds (aren't they cute?)

Center currently on 2 Gold LCR stands (temp) until I can get an appropriate height center stand (to get tweeters up to LCR level).







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post #3188 of 5143
7/8/11 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by twells View Post

Hi, I've been a long time Triad fan and finally posting here... I actually just upgraded to Plats... bought adz523's demo set up (back from first page of this thread). Only just got it all hooked up but here are a few pics... and a comparison to my Golds (aren't they cute?)

Center currently on 2 Gold LCR stands (temp) until I can get an appropriate height center stand (to get tweeters up to LCR level).





NICE...! I think I seen your Golds on eBay...?
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post #3189 of 5143
7/8/11 at 2:15pm
Thanks. Yep, sort of hate to sell them but I don't have anywhere else to use them! I even have a 3rd (vertical) LCR that I bought when I went to the woven screen. Wish I could fit them in my office... I tend to be a pack rat with my electronics but my wife is putting her foot down! Small price to pay for the upgrade though
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post #3190 of 5143
7/9/11 at 3:10pm
Hello All,

I am thinking about getting Inwall Gold's for my LCR. Based on wall dimensions and the screen I am installing, I will have to install the center channel horizontally. Is this going to cause any acoustical issues with the sound coming out of that channel, or will it not make much of a difference?

Thanks-
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post #3191 of 5143
7/9/11 at 4:05pm
I'm looking for Chicago (60614) custom integrators proficient in both Triad speakers and Control 4 automation for a project I am planning. Appreciate any recommendations I can get.
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post #3192 of 5143
7/9/11 at 5:24pm
See if Triad can make a custom inwall center speaker for you.
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post #3193 of 5143
7/9/11 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Roch809 View Post

Hello All,

I am thinking about getting Inwall Gold's for my LCR. Based on wall dimensions and the screen I am installing, I will have to install the center channel horizontally. Is this going to cause any acoustical issues with the sound coming out of that channel, or will it not make much of a difference?

Thanks-

You can't use a Gold LCR horizontally, and there's no InWall Gold Center, but we can make a custom version for you. Check with your dealer for a quote. I'm traveling for another 10 days, and without a computer, thus the brief answer. Or contact Bill at Triad at 800 666 6316.
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post #3194 of 5143
7/9/11 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by Roch809 View Post

Hello All,

I am thinking about getting Inwall Gold's for my LCR. Based on wall dimensions and the screen I am installing, I will have to install the center channel horizontally. Is this going to cause any acoustical issues with the sound coming out of that channel, or will it not make much of a difference?

Thanks-

Really consider going AT with your screen............will make a huge difference for your sound stage! Talk to the experts............a non AT screen is like 1/4 or more of your total wall surface being untreated......an acoustical issue.

Another point, having all three speakers oriented the same will give a much better, realistic sound stage. I've seen and heard the difference!!!!
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post #3195 of 5143
7/10/11 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Really consider going AT with your screen............will make a huge difference for your sound stage! Talk to the experts............a non AT screen is like 1/4 or more of your total wall surface being untreated......an acoustical issue.

Another point, having all three speakers oriented the same will give a much better, realistic sound stage. I've seen and heard the difference!!!!

Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I will go with the AT screen, which will allow me to better place the speakers in the wall (farther away from the side walls) as well as get the center channel vertical. I hate to have to give up the Black Diamond...oh well, sound quality is much more important to me, so AT screen it is.

Let me ask one other question- is their a minimum distance the left and right channel should be from the center?
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post #3196 of 5143
7/10/11 at 7:35am
I spoke to the SI people at a recent show and they are working on an acoustically transparent BD screen. I have no idea when it will be available, but probably not too soon.

As an alternative, Stewart's Firehawk is an excellent screen material and the AT version is just as good.
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post #3197 of 5143
7/10/11 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by Roch809 View Post


Let me ask one other question- is their a minimum distance the left and right channel should be from the center?

I recommend looking into the AVS Pro-theater service. You can find the link through the AVS store. From my understanding, Dennis Erskine is involved.

Another avenue you may check into is actually contacting Dennis Erskine via. Erskine Group.........a much more expensive proposition, but well worth the added cost. BTW, the route I'm going to take................
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post #3198 of 5143
7/10/11 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by Dawn Gordon View Post

I spoke to the SI people at a recent show and they are working on an acoustically transparent BD screen. I have no idea when it will be available, but probably not too soon.

As an alternative, Stewart's Firehawk is an excellent screen material and the AT version is just as good.

Excellent suggestion if ambient light is an issue.........though a much more expensive route with higher db loss than say........a weave.

To Roch809, I also suggest looking into the Screen Excellence 4k material or the Seymour Center Stage XD (WEAVES). I have samples of both with the 4k material impossible to see the weave at less than 4 feet....the Center Stage XD is more like 9 feet. Lower gain than the Stewart Firehawk...............4k @ 0.8 and the Center Stage at 0.9 which are measured, not manufacturer claimed. Big difference............
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post #3199 of 5143
7/10/11 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by twells View Post

Hi, I've been a long time Triad fan and finally posting here... I actually just upgraded to Plats... bought adz523's demo set up (back from first page of this thread). Only just got it all hooked up but here are a few pics... and a comparison to my Golds (aren't they cute?)

Center currently on 2 Gold LCR stands (temp) until I can get an appropriate height center stand (to get tweeters up to LCR level).








Aren't those peerrrrrrtttttty? Subliminal suggestions abound...........first Tony, then Craig john......DE chimes in..............now you twells!!!

Great system.................

Working on my lovely co-pilot...........I too might have Plats in the future....
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post #3200 of 5143
7/13/11 at 8:45pm
Hi Paul,

Due to finding a load bearing steel column in the wall I was going to move I had to make changes to the home theater I'm building. This is what I'm working with now..... A dedicated totally light controlled room 18 ft long, 12ft 3in wide with a 110 inch screen on one of the 12ft 3in walls.

3 in wall Silver LCRs
4 in wall Silver Surrounds
2 In room Bronze DSP subs
Integra DTR 40.3 Reciever
JVC RS50 Projector

How do the think the Silvers will perform in this size theater?

Thanks
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post #3201 of 5143
7/14/11 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by dough34929 View Post

Hi Paul,

Due to finding a load bearing steel column in the wall I was going to move I had to make changes to the home theater I'm building. This is what I'm working with now..... A dedicated totally light controlled room 18 ft long, 12ft 3in wide with a 110 inch screen on one of the 12ft 3in walls.

3 in wall Silver LCRs
4 in wall Silver Surrounds
2 In room Bronze DSP subs
Integra DTR 40.3 Reciever
JVC RS50 Projectorem

How do the think the Silvers will perform in this size theater?

Thanks

You'll be able to hit reference with Silver LCRs in that room. Very well-balanced system.
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post #3202 of 5143
7/14/11 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by dough34929 View Post

How do the think the Silvers will perform in this size theater?

I have a very similar sized room (12.5 x 22) with InWall Silver LCRs and OnWall Silver Surrounds, and I can say with confidence you will be very happy with that setup!
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post #3203 of 5143
7/14/11 at 5:44am
Paul,

I am a total rookie with this home theater stuff. What do you mean by "You'll be able to hit reference"
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post #3204 of 5143
7/14/11 at 9:41am
Reference has many meanings depending on the context. In a "reference" room, at the seating location(s), you'd want to achieve 22dBSPL to 105dBSPL from 20Hz to 20kHz. (115 dB SPL for the LFE channel). That would produce the full dynamic range of a sound track. Note however, you aren't going to hear 22dB SPL in a room which has not be properly sound isolated. That is not to be confused with "reference level" (-20dBFS) which is used only to level match speakers.
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post #3205 of 5143
7/14/11 at 7:31pm
Dennis,

Thanks for that information. I have some more questions. I purchased the following acoustical panels upon the recommendation of the company who is installing the equipment.....

Kinetics Noise Control Custom Acoustic Panel Front Wall, on front 12' 3" wall (behind screen)

Kinetics Noise Control Designer Panels, 4 each, 2 each on 18' 0" wall

Kinetics Noise Control Custom Acoustical Panel 48" x 96", 2 each, on back 12' 3" wall

Will these acoustical panels achieve a "properly sound isolated" room?
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post #3206 of 5143
7/14/11 at 8:56pm
Sound isolation and treating the room for reflections and reverberation are two different things entirely. Acoustical panels will do very little for sound isolation or for reducing outside noise from entering the room or from noise in the room from transmitting outside the room. That would have more to do with construction of the room. The installation company would be treating reflections and reverberation with the acoustical panels.
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post #3207 of 5143
7/15/11 at 2:47am
Bob's comments are correct. The intended purpose of those products are to affect in room acoustic response and have no influence on sound isolation.

The quietest sound on a sound track will be 22dB (a whisper, leaves blowing in the wind, etc.) The typical quiet residential room will have an ambient noise level of 33dB to 35dB. To hear those whispers, you have to increase your playback volume ... by 8 times. Not a big deal for a whisper ... but 8 times louder is really loud for normal speech and sound effects. Too loud by a lot. Not to worry, most consumer amplifiers will clip and speakers can blow their tweeters so "too loud" won't last too long.

But back to your original question: The silvers will do you a great job. Get 'em and never look back.
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post #3208 of 5143
7/15/11 at 4:53am
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

Bob's comments are correct. The intended purpose of those products are to affect in room acoustic response and have no influence on sound isolation.

The quietest sound on a sound track will be 22dB (a whisper, leaves blowing in the wind, etc.) The typical quiet residential room will have an ambient noise level of 33dB to 35dB. To hear those whispers, you have to increase your playback volume ... by 8 times. Not a big deal for a whisper ... but 8 times louder is really loud for normal speech and sound effects. Too loud by a lot. Not to worry, most consumer amplifiers will clip and speakers can blow their tweeters so "too loud" won't last too long.

But back to your original question: The silvers will do you a great job. Get 'em and never look back.

Dennis,

I'm glad that you often reiterate the importance of a low noise floor on the forums. We get so caught up with keeping sound from escaping to the rest of the home that we can forget the contribution of soundproofing to enjoyment of the content itself. I haven't measured my noise floor, but it must be pretty low. I can rub my fingers together and someone on the other side of the theater hears it. It's actually quite eery when to be in there when the system isn't fired up. While viewing content, I'm hearing ambient elements in soundtracks that I never knew were there, which really adds to the experience.
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post #3209 of 5143
7/20/11 at 6:51am
Hello All,

I will be using Inwall Silver 4/surrounds for both the side and rear surrounds in a 7.1 setup. With the room layout, I will have to put the 2 sides in the ceiling, which I see can be done with these speakers.

My question is: Do these speakers have to be installed in a certain direction for them to sound as intended? If I installed them in the wall, they would get mounted only one way. I am not sure if this applies for a ceiling mount as well, or if it does not matter how they get mounted.

Thanks-

Ronnie
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post #3210 of 5143
7/20/11 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Roch809 View Post

Hello All,

I will be using Inwall Silver 4/surrounds for both the side and rear surrounds in a 7.1 setup. With the room layout, I will have to put the 2 sides in the ceiling, which I see can be done with these speakers.

My question is: Do these speakers have to be installed in a certain direction for them to sound as intended? If I installed them in the wall, they would get mounted only one way. I am not sure if this applies for a ceiling mount as well, or if it does not matter how they get mounted.

Thanks-

Ronnie

Position them the same as you would on the wall, with one array facing the front of the room and the other facing rear.
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