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post #331 of 6133
Some questions.
I went a head and bought Triad speakers to put in my basement went with in ceiling to avoid young childrens curiosity. I bought the following
3 InCeiling Silver/6 Monitors for fronts
4 InCeiling Mini/8 LCR (Only box that could fit in the joists many less than 12 inches)
2 InWall Bronze/6 PowerSub

I had some questions the room is 10 feet wide(it is actually wider but a metal brace runs down the middle of the room and the ceiling drops 10 inches) and long about 20 feet and 7 foot ceilings. I was wondering how far should I mount the front speakers from the side walls? I have an option of 6.5 or 8 feet from the seating area which would provide better sound?

6.5 or 8 feet from the fronts I have my mid surrounds Wondering how far from the wall should this be since they are firing away from the wall?

6 feet back of that I can put the rears which are also Mini8/LCR's. Should the rears sit a little closer together?

For the Subs should I have both firing forward at me? How high should they be off the ground?

Thank you very much for your help.
post #332 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Gmonkey View Post

Some questions.
I went a head and bought Triad speakers to put in my basement went with in ceiling to avoid young childrens curiosity. I bought the following
3 InCeiling Silver/6 Monitors for fronts
4 InCeiling Mini/8 LCR (Only box that could fit in the joists many less than 12 inches)
2 InWall Bronze/6 PowerSub

I had some questions the room is 10 feet wide(it is actually wider but a metal brace runs down the middle of the room and the ceiling drops 10 inches) and long about 20 feet and 7 foot ceilings. I was wondering how far should I mount the front speakers from the side walls? I have an option of 6.5 or 8 feet from the seating area which would provide better sound?

6.5 or 8 feet from the fronts I have my mid surrounds Wondering how far from the wall should this be since they are firing away from the wall?

6 feet back of that I can put the rears which are also Mini8/LCR's. Should the rears sit a little closer together?

For the Subs should I have both firing forward at me? How high should they be off the ground?

Thank you very much for your help.

Hopefully the ceiling joists run the right way so you can fit InCeiling Silver/6 Monitors. (They're rectangular.) I'd keep them at least a foot from the side walls to minimize first reflections. Place them at least two feet off the front wall, aiming at the seating area.

The surrounds can be a foot off the wall, aimed at the seating area. The rears can and should be closer together; as close as four feet apart.

Place the subs in the front, and position them as low to the floor as possible so they couple. If you mount them up high, they'll sound anemic.

Nice system!
post #333 of 6133
No Problem with the silver monitors, will fit great. Was wondering what the ideal distance from the in ceiling silver monitors would be, I have 2 choices either 6.5 feet or 8 feet. When I bought I had to either get less speaker and install or more speaker and have to get the information here.

Thanks for all your help Paul
post #334 of 6133
If the Silver Monitors are 8' away from the seating area, the angle won't be quite as severe, and the image will be lower. 6.5' may put you under them too much, but they'd still work well.

Did you see the InCeiling Silver/6 Monitor review on our website? Brent Butterworth actually cut them into his ceiling for the review.
post #335 of 6133
Actually I can have the InCeiling Silver 6 Monitor 10 feet away if I slightly adjust a vent, was wondering if 10 feet away is better than 8.5? For the rear surround I have a choice 6 feet or 14 feet, which would be the better option?

Yep read the review, listened to many speakers and found the Triads sounded phenomenal.

For the two in wall bronze6 subs how far should they be from a corner?

Thanks again for all your help Paul.
post #336 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Fifteen to seventeen feet is far away from front speakers, and in a treated room, you shouldn't have lots of reflected sound to add to the acoustical energy, (which is good). I've mentioned it before, but the Silver LCR is a more robust version of the Bronze LCR, with the same tweeter, but larger Peerless woofer/mids with more power handling and 2 dB more sensitivity. Still, Gold LCRs will work FAR better for several reasons. They are less than 1 dB more sensitive, but they'll handle lots more power, and they'll achieve moderately high output levels effortlessly and without limiting peaks. They simply have more headroom and snap. And, the tweeter is a much-more-expensive Seas model that stays flat higher. This is important if you sit far away, because treble deteriorates faster with distance than lower frequencies.

Summary: Golds will sound better, play louder, overcome distance better, and offer more headroom.

Thanks for the comment about my recovery. I had surgery the 10th, and I've been back on the bicycle for the past 5 days, getting in 50 miles this morning.

Thanks Paul. If I proceed with the Gold Series, what is the value of using the Gold Center vs the LCR version? Also, for my 16X27 room, will I need one sub or two? Was also wondering if I could use the Silver or Bronze surrounds to save a little money?

Thanks,

Randy
post #337 of 6133
Thread Starter 
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Also, for my 16X27 room, will I need one sub or two?

Your room is rather large. I would suggest two if your layout will support it. Speaking to the Triad subs, I'm really quite impressed with our InRoom Gold subs in one of our demo rooms, which is 14X20.
post #338 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Gmonkey View Post

Actually I can have the InCeiling Silver 6 Monitor 10 feet away if I slightly adjust a vent, was wondering if 10 feet away is better than 8.5? For the rear surround I have a choice 6 feet or 14 feet, which would be the better option?

Keep the fronts (ideally) a foot or two from the wall the video display is on. I do not understand the 6'/14' question.

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For the two in wall bronze6 subs how far should they be from a corner?

For the most bass, move them to within a few inches of the corner, and as low as possible. If you have room EQ, that will knock down the peaks you get from corner placement. If not (and not knowing your room), I'd place each sub at the 1/3 wave of the front wall.
post #339 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Randy Ta View Post

Thanks Paul. If I proceed with the Gold Series, what is the value of using the Gold Center vs the LCR version? Also, for my 16X27 room, will I need one sub or two? Was also wondering if I could use the Silver or Bronze surrounds to save a little money?

Thanks,

Randy

Silver Surrounds work well with Gold LCRs, and if you have to cut back, that is where to do it. Fronts and subs are much more important.

Your video display will determine whether you use a Gold Center or Gold LCR. The best setup is a projector with an acoustically transparent screen, and then you'd use three Gold LCRs. If the speaker has to be placed under the video display, the Gold Center still works very well because the midrange and tweeter are vertically aligned, like the Gold LCR. It's a horizontal center that even Kal would like. Probably. Maybe. Possibly.
post #340 of 6133
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Originally Posted by ttowntony View Post

Your room is rather large. I would suggest two if your layout will support it. Speaking to the Triad subs, I'm really quite impressed with our InRoom Gold subs in one of our demo rooms, which is 14X20.

Tony is correct, as PER usual.

Two subs really do a lot to make things work better. You smooth out room modes, reduce excursion for cleaner bass, lower distortion, and add headroom. But...other than that...
post #341 of 6133
I am in the process of having a home built and it's a bit of a downsize for me. I have a nice theater now and enjoy good music and loud theater. I have tried to work with the builder but he doesn't understand the home theater and along the way due in part to time I sort of gave up. Now that we are a month from moving in I'm trying to put something together. I would like to use in-walls for all 7 speakers and I have a nice closet for which I will install a slim-5 rack system. I have two Earthquake MK-6 15-inch subs that I will use. For amps I have for my main a PassLabs X350 and for the surrounds I have a B&K 200.7S2. The Pass is 350 watts per channel and the B&K is 200. I had looked at many different in-walls and the Triads seem nice and I liked the gold/6. The two channels on the B&K not used now in the surround system power two Dynaudio subs built by me years ago.

Problem is that my front wall is 2x4 which made me think that maybe I could make a collar for the speaker but I don't know. The construction is new and they just finished the wall in the last week. Wish I had thought of this sooner as I could easily have had them stud the wall with 2x6.

My front wall is a inside wall and hollow and I have a fairly good skill set in carpentry. I also have skills in building speaker cabinets and years ago I owned a small company that built custom cabinets for dealers.

Thanks,
John
post #342 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jongig View Post

I am in the process of having a home built and it's a bit of a downsize for me. I have a nice theater now and enjoy good music and loud theater. I have tried to work with the builder but he doesn't understand the home theater and along the way due in part to time I sort of gave up. Now that we are a month from moving in I'm trying to put something together. I would like to use in-walls for all 7 speakers and I have a nice closet for which I will install a slim-5 rack system. I have two Earthquake MK-6 15-inch subs that I will use. For amps I have for my main a PassLabs X350 and for the surrounds I have a B&K 200.7S2. The Pass is 350 watts per channel and the B&K is 200. I had looked at many different in-walls and the Triads seem nice and I liked the gold/6. The two channels on the B&K not used now in the surround system power two Dynaudio subs built by me years ago.

Problem is that my front wall is 2x4 which made me think that maybe I could make a collar for the speaker but I don't know. The construction is new and they just finished the wall in the last week. Wish I had thought of this sooner as I could easily have had them stud the wall with 2x6.

My front wall is a inside wall and hollow and I have a fairly good skill set in carpentry. I also have skills in building speaker cabinets and years ago I owned a small company that built custom cabinets for dealers.

Thanks,
John

The InWall Gold/6 LCR is inappropriate for that application. You'll never get a finished look, and it'll stick out 2". A better solution is the InWall Silver/4 Monitor. At $2,250 each, it's only $100 more than the Gold LCR, it has the same sensitivity, I'll play within 1.5 dB of the Gold LCR, the fit will be superb, and the paint matching will make it disappear. People tend to focus on our LCR line and they miss our Monitor line. (I have Gold Monitors in my theater.)

Use Silver Monitors, move the crossover up to 100 Hz, and have at it!
post #343 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Silver Surrounds work well with Gold LCRs, and if you have to cut back, that is where to do it. Fronts and subs are much more important.

Your video display will determine whether you use a Gold Center or Gold LCR. The best setup is a projector with an acoustically transparent screen, and then you'd use three Gold LCRs. If the speaker has to be placed under the video display, the Gold Center still works very well because the midrange and tweeter are vertically aligned, like the Gold LCR. It's a horizontal center that even Kal would like. Probably. Maybe. Possibly.

Paul, every time you answer a question, it makes me think of somethine else. I'll use the in room Gold series for LCR and sub and will use Gold in wall surrounds. Moving on, I'm now ready to build the false wall for my SMX AT screen. How far off the front wall should I place my LCR speakers?

Randy
post #344 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Randy Ta View Post

Paul, every time you answer a question, it makes me think of somethine else.

Sorry, man. That's what happens with my wife, too.

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I'll use the in room Gold series for LCR and sub and will use Gold in wall surrounds. Moving on, I'm now ready to build the false wall for my SMX AT screen. How far off the front wall should I place my LCR speakers?

Randy

If the front wall has sufficient (heavy) acoustical material, the speakers can be close...only a few inches. If the speaker is right up against the wall, there will be too much bass reinforcement, but that can be knocked down with EQ or acoustical material that works down to 100 Hz or so.
post #345 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Sorry, man. That's what happens with my wife, too.



If the front wall has sufficient (heavy) acoustical material, the speakers can be close...only a few inches. If the speaker is right up against the wall, there will be too much bass reinforcement, but that can be knocked down with EQ or acoustical material that works down to 100 Hz or so.

One more Paul. My room if 16x27 and the screen is about 11 ft wide. Can I put the LCR speakers all behind the screen and still get the needed spread or should I put the L & R near the side walls? I'll be sitting about 15 - 17 feet back.

Randy
post #346 of 6133
Hi Paul,
Sorry about that 6 or 14 feet. I have the option of placing my rear surrounds 6 or 14 feet from the Middle surrounds which would sound better since my fronts are 10 feet infront of the mid surrounds?


Thanks Gordon
post #347 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Randy Ta View Post

One more Paul. My room if 16x27 and the screen is about 11 ft wide. Can I put the LCR speakers all behind the screen and still get the needed spread or should I put the L & R near the side walls? I'll be sitting about 15 - 17 feet back.

Randy

According to the optimum ratio (distance from the screen to the seat should be 50% more than the screen width), your left and right speakers should be halfway behind the screen. Either place them behind the screen spread as far as possible, or outside the screen as close to it as possible. If I had to make the choice, I would probably opt to put the three fronts behind the screen.
post #348 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Gmonkey View Post

Hi Paul,
Sorry about that 6 or 14 feet. I have the option of placing my rear surrounds 6 or 14 feet from the Middle surrounds which would sound better since my fronts are 10 feet infront of the mid surrounds?

Today is the day for tough questions, I see.

I would place the rear surrounds in the best relationship to the seating. In other words, place the speakers where they would be maybe 3'-6' behind the back row of seating. You can place direct-radiating rear surrounds farther back, but in that case I would not do dipoles. The level will have to be cranked if they are far from the seating. Again, a drawing would help.
post #349 of 6133
Paul,
I have attached a drawing, the speakers I am using are In-ceiling Silver 6 monitors in the front and In ceiling mini 8 lcr for side and rear surrounds (only speakers besides round that would fit in the joists). I have 2 or 3 in-wall bronze 6 subs to use for the home theatre.

The big questions I have would be concerning the rears and subs, would you put a 3rd sub in or not?
The room is not optimized for hometheatre between the pool area and home theatre, there is a drop in the ceiling of 1 foot for a span of 3 feet, this is all the duct work and metal joists. From floor to ceiling it is 7 feet and 3 inches. The floor is laminate on top of sub-floor for acoustics I can add an area rug in the main home theatre room. Wall are standard dry wall with Safe and sound inside with 1.5 Inch of pink foam board between the concrete wall and stud walls.

Questions concerning your subs should I daisy chain more than one sub off a single sub-preout, or use a Y adaptor?


Thanks
LL
post #350 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

The InWall Gold/6 LCR is inappropriate for that application. You'll never get a finished look, and it'll stick out 2". A better solution is the InWall Silver/4 Monitor. At $2,250 each, it's only $100 more than the Gold LCR, it has the same sensitivity, I'll play within 1.5 dB of the Gold LCR, the fit will be superb, and the paint matching will make it disappear. People tend to focus on our LCR line and they miss our Monitor line. (I have Gold Monitors in my theater.)

Use Silver Monitors, move the crossover up to 100 Hz, and have at it!

@Paul. Thanks for the reply, which by the way I just found. I had subscribed to a different thread titled triad speakers by boneset, and I thought that is where I had posted my question. It all worked out and ended in a good conversation. Can you please remind me what your suggestion was for the 4 surrounds, 2 at the rear and 2 at the side?

@all
I have been away and am now back and trying to get the house done. Today I am working on the Geo Thermal system which is very cool and hot and will end my friendship with the gas company and that's a good thing.

Onto speakers and such. I had called the dealer again and left a message about Triad Speakers and again no call back. Can someone please give me a name to a dealer that will call me back and offer a reasonable price on Triad Speakers? Please PM me if you don't want to post the information. I am most interested in the In-wall Silver/4 Monitors. I only have 2x4 inside walls and I had considered adding depth to the wall so as to add larger in-wall speakers but these speakers from Triad look as though they will do just fine.
Thanks.
John
post #351 of 6133
What happened to all the posts between 7/25 and today? It seems that a whole number of them have been deleted! Can we notify the powers that be?
post #352 of 6133
AVS crashed, they lost everything after 2 Aug
post #353 of 6133
Wow. That's too bad.
post #354 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jongig View Post

@Paul. Thanks for the reply, which by the way I just found. I had subscribed to a different thread titled triad speakers by boneset, and I thought that is where I had posted my question. It all worked out and ended in a good conversation. Can you please remind me what your suggestion was for the 4 surrounds, 2 at the rear and 2 at the side?

@all
I have been away and am now back and trying to get the house done. Today I am working on the Geo Thermal system which is very cool and hot and will end my friendship with the gas company and that's a good thing.

Onto speakers and such. I had called the dealer again and left a message about Triad Speakers and again no call back. Can someone please give me a name to a dealer that will call me back and offer a reasonable price on Triad Speakers? Please PM me if you don't want to post the information. I am most interested in the In-wall Silver/4 Monitors. I only have 2x4 inside walls and I had considered adding depth to the wall so as to add larger in-wall speakers but these speakers from Triad look as though they will do just fine.
Thanks.
John

I am away from my computer (and I hate this Voyager), but you need to contact my national sales manager, Bruce Franklin. I PMed his info. Bruce will handle things, and kill someone if need be. I hate it when dealers don't follow through. issed:

I have no way of finding that thread and telling you what I recommended until I get back to a computer. Maybe you could do a search, or call me next Monday at 800 210 6884.
post #355 of 6133
Greetings All!

Longtime lurker finally gets to put plan into action.

Building a new house on Lake Lewisville (Dallas area), and we will have a dedicated home theater...finally!

I don't want to bore anyone with all the details, but rather thought I'd like to take this opportunity and ask about the Triads as a sound solution for here. It's one of the brands I am considering along with Niles Soundstage, and Tannoy Definitions.

Room dimension is 20.6' x 21.6'. 2 seating levels. I don't mind splurging some on the speaker setup as we really want to "feel" the effects while doing our movie watching. Vocals are important. I love my Rockets right now, but we seem to always be asking each other "What'd they say?"

The "screen" wall is 2x6, as is the right side. The other 2 walls are 2x4. Ceiling is 2x6. Plenty of room up front for a build out cabinet of some sort, and 2 subs are planned. Option to use in-wall or free-standing speakers up front, but wife requires in-wall for surrounds and rear. (Ceiling mount is also open).

I'd love to hear from the Triad folks as to their recommendations, and also am seeking a Triad dealer near 76210 who might be able to offer a demo. Fact is, I've never heard them and am dying to.

We just finished insulating, and will be sheetrocking next week. All wiring has been ran.

If this were your room, how would you lay it out?

Would you please indicate pricing compared with the other two brands above, or what can I expect to pay for the Triads? All I know is what I've heard 3rd party.

I will appreciate your input, and Thanks in advance!

Kevin
post #356 of 6133
I too had a difficult time getting my local dealer to reply to my calls. You might want to give the folks at AVScience a ring. Great customer service and fair pricing.
post #357 of 6133
Thread Starter 
Kevin, dealer here in Oklahoma and starter of this thread. So, welcome to our thread and hopefully to our family.

First, we have Paul Scarpelli (The Triad Dude) that can assist you with any design questions you might have. We'll offer some suggestions to get you started and answer questions you might have for us.

Options: Freestanding or Built-in. It's nice to have both options. If I'm correct the Niles Stagefront is only freestanding. The Niles is not a bad speaker by any means, however, they are not going to win any awards either. I have them here along with the PSB speaker they copied the design from. The PSB eats it's lunch with greater detail and punch. No exerience with Tannoy, so I can't comment. You have several options withing the Triad family. Personally, I prefer freestanding over built-in when the design can accommodate. However, there is not a more flexible company than Triad. Their in-wall designs rival their freestanding models in performance. No other manufacturer I can think of can do that imho.

Gotta run.....I'll chime back in when I return.
post #358 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Silver Surrounds work well with Gold LCRs, and if you have to cut back, that is where to do it. Fronts and subs are much more important.

Your video display will determine whether you use a Gold Center or Gold LCR. The best setup is a projector with an acoustically transparent screen, and then you'd use three Gold LCRs. If the speaker has to be placed under the video display, the Gold Center still works very well because the midrange and tweeter are vertically aligned, like the Gold LCR. It's a horizontal center that even Kal would like. Probably. Maybe. Possibly.

Hmmm...I'm nearly all set to place my order for 3 Gold In-Room LCRs for my fronts. I will have a projector, with the center behind GOM panel beneath the fixed screen and L and R hidden in columns. Based on your quote, should I not be using the LCR for the center, but rather the Gold Center? Please go into detail with the differences between the two. Thanks.
post #359 of 6133
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Originally Posted by queendvd2 View Post

Hmmm...I'm nearly all set to place my order for 3 Gold In-Room LCRs for my fronts. I will have a projector, with the center behind GOM panel beneath the fixed screen and L and R hidden in columns. Based on your quote, should I not be using the LCR for the center, but rather the Gold Center? Please go into detail with the differences between the two. Thanks.

Basically, if you can place the center vertically, it's best to use an LCR. If you have to place it horizontally, then use the center.

CJ
post #360 of 6133
Qestion about small HT room.
Thr room is 13 by 11. I plan to have a 50 inch tv. Could I go with Triad omni silver 4's for the 3 upfront speakers and use the smaller Bronze satellites for the 2 surrounds.
(Or is the performance with the bronze LCR's much better)?

Also, How do people mount the center channel (Above or below the tv)
Thanks,

Ian
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