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post #3781 of 5157
1/22/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

Watch it buddy. Your elders have ways to seek retribution.

There's no substitute for age and experience. We geezers are treacherous.

I'm also up for racing any of you young pups on a road bike. Or drum battle. Or car race. I know Dennis stays in top condition. At our advanced ages, we have to. I have tee shirts older than most of you...

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post #3782 of 5157
1/22/12 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Yes, the Gold Monitors still have the edge, but not by as much if it's a music-only system. And you can still safely coax about 2 dB more out of Gold LCRs. They sound like they're from the same family, which they are.

Thanks for the info Paul! This system might see just a bit of music use, but will be overwhelmingly home theater. (I've got a couple of sweet ADAMs in another room just for music and recording) Looking for some quality speakers I'll be happy with for a long time.

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That's a Platinum LCR-with-two Platinum DSP Subs room if I've ever seen one. You could go with other Triad speakers (or speakers from other companies) and constantly be apologizing for the performance in that big of a room. The last thing you want in a space that big is a weak-sauce speaker system. And in that 11,000 cubic foot open space, two Platinum DSP Subs will still move enough air. Of course, we need to define what "enough" is...

I would love a set of Plats! They're a bit iffy, but not out of the question. Really depends on some other choices in the room. I'm a big believer in overspending on speakers (& subs). When is the "buy 2 get one free sale"???
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post #3783 of 5157
1/22/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by DigsMovies View Post

Thanks for the info Paul! This system might see just a bit of music use, but will be overwhelmingly home theater. (I've got a couple of sweet ADAMs in another room just for music and recording) Looking for some quality speakers I'll be happy with for a long time.



I would love a set of Plats! They're a bit iffy, but not out of the question. Really depends on some other choices in the room. I'm a big believer in overspending on speakers (& subs). When is the "buy 2 get one free sale"???

The key word is "overwhelming." I am "whelmed" by most speakers, and they usually sound anemic in a big room. Platinums are overwhelming, even in a 6,000' room.

We're thinking of a sale on Platinums..."Buy ONE at double the retail price, and get the SECOND one FREE!"
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post #3784 of 5157
1/22/12 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

There's no substitute for age and experience. We geezers are treacherous.

I can see why!!! Especially after glancing at those SOCKS!!! Too funny......................

BTW, I'm currently receiving literature in the mail from AARP........do I qualify as a card carrying geezer?
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post #3785 of 5157
1/22/12 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I can see why!!! Especially after glancing at those SOCKS!!! Too funny......................

I need socks that say "Your Speakers Suck."

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BTW, I'm currently receiving literature in the mail from AARP........do I qualify as a card carrying geezer?

In our cycling community, you have to have turned 60 in order to be considered a geezer. There are actually two weekly "geezer" rides here. Be patient. You'll get there.
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post #3786 of 5157
1/23/12 at 2:56am
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We're thinking of a sale on Platinums..."Buy ONE at double the retail price, and get the SECOND one FREE!"

...with a special financing offer .... "no payments, no interest with 100% down".
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post #3787 of 5157
1/24/12 at 8:04pm
I'm in the process of redoing some of my theater components and considering upgrading speakers as well. I've been seriously considering the Triads, since I'd like to go in-wall and the sealed box for their in-wall speakers is certainly appealing to me. I'm thinking of the in-wall Silver 4 LCR's, but I'm also considering the in-wall Gold 6 LCR's, although the price differential is quite substantial. Can you provide some input as to the difference in sound quality between the two? If I go with the Gold 6 LCR's, I only have 2x4 framing behind the drywall, so I will need to leave part of the box extending out from the drywall about 2". to compensate for this, I'm planning to cover the entire screen wall with GOM fabric over wood frames, which would extend out from the wall just over the 2" clearance I will need to cover the fronts of the speakers, if I go with the Gold 6 LCR's. Does this sound feasible?

Also, I won't be using an AT screen, so the center will need to be mounted horizontally above or below the screen. Can this be done with either the in-wall Sillver 4 LCR's or the in-wall Gold 6 LCR's? If it is possible, is it better to mount it above or below the screen? I have carpeted floors, and just enough room to squeeze it in horizontally either above or below the screen.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
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post #3788 of 5157
1/25/12 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

I'm in the process of redoing some of my theater components and considering upgrading speakers as well. I've been seriously considering the Triads, since I'd like to go in-wall and the sealed box for their in-wall speakers is certainly appealing to me. I'm thinking of the in-wall Silver 4 LCR's, but I'm also considering the in-wall Gold 6 LCR's, although the price differential is quite substantial. Can you provide some input as to the difference in sound quality between the two? If I go with the Gold 6 LCR's, I only have 2x4 framing behind the drywall, so I will need to leave part of the box extending out from the drywall about 2". to compensate for this, I'm planning to cover the entire screen wall with GOM fabric over wood frames, which would extend out from the wall just over the 2" clearance I will need to cover the fronts of the speakers, if I go with the Gold 6 LCR's. Does this sound feasible?

Also, I won't be using an AT screen, so the center will need to be mounted horizontally above or below the screen. Can this be done with either the in-wall Sillver 4 LCR's or the in-wall Gold 6 LCR's? If it is possible, is it better to mount it above or below the screen? I have carpeted floors, and just enough room to squeeze it in horizontally either above or below the screen.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I wouldn't mount a 6"-deep speaker in a 4" wall, especially when there's an alternative. The InWall Silver/4 Monitor is the same price as the InWall Gold/6 LCR, and it will mount with far less headache and a much better look than a Gold LCR (in a 4"-wall.) The two speakers use the same tweeter, but the Silver Monitor uses the same two 5" mids that Triad uses in the $7,500-each Platinum LCR. If you use a 100 Hz crossover for the fronts, the Silver Monitor is spectacular.

Silver LCRs sound exceptional for the money, but they don't quite have the output and they definitely don't have the definition of the Silver Monitors. With either speaker, you'll have to frame for the center.

Here's the InWall Silver/4 Monitor. I would make sure the bottom of the speaker is at least 10" off the ground. My preference is three idebtical front speakers, at the same height, firing through an AT screen, but this will work well.
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iws4mon.html
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post #3789 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:13am
Thanks for the comments, Paul. How would you compare the silver monitors to the gold LCR's in sound quality? The room is a dedicated theater room, so very little music listening apart from movies. I haven't been too concerned about using the 6" golds in the 4" wall, since I'm planning to use fabric panels across the entire front wall which would conceal them anyway. Does this concern you, apart from the silver monitors as an acceptable alternative?

Also, if I were to go with the silver monitors, would you recommend the silver surrounds for side surrounds and backs, or stick with the gold surrounds, as I was planning?

On to subs - I currently have 2 Atlantic Technology 352 subs. I'm considering replacing one of these with the Triad in-wall silver 15. Thoughts?
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post #3790 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

I haven't been too concerned about using the 6" golds in the 4" wall, since I'm planning to use fabric panels across the entire front wall which would conceal them anyway. Does this concern you, apart from the silver monitors as an acceptable alternative?

Also, if I were to go with the silver monitors, would you recommend the silver surrounds for side surrounds and backs, or stick with the gold surrounds, as I was planning?

I agree. Given that you are doing the fabric treatment, there really isn't an issue with the 6" depth and either the Gold LCR or Silver Monitor will be a great choice. You are a little challenged since you are doing inwalls. There isn't a true gold lcr 'center' like there is with the in-room golds and you can't simply rotate the speaker. The silver monitor, on the other hand is a two way speaker and can be used on its side but just won't play as loud as the G-LCR.
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post #3791 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

Thanks for the comments, Paul. How would you compare the silver monitors to the gold LCR's in sound quality? The room is a dedicated theater room, so very little music listening apart from movies. I haven't been too concerned about using the 6" golds in the 4" wall, since I'm planning to use fabric panels across the entire front wall which would conceal them anyway. Does this concern you, apart from the silver monitors as an acceptable alternative?

Also, if I were to go with the silver monitors, would you recommend the silver surrounds for side surrounds and backs, or stick with the gold surrounds, as I was planning?

On to subs - I currently have 2 Atlantic Technology 352 subs. I'm considering replacing one of these with the Triad in-wall silver 15. Thoughts?

If you have the room and the speakers can extend out from the wall 2", the Gold LCR still gets the edge for home theater. You'll have to come up with a custom way of mounting it, though.

The Atlantic Technology sub is more comparable to our Silver OmniSub, which uses a 300 watt amp. (The Atlantic uses a 200 watt amp.) The Silver DSP Sub uses a 600 watt amplifier, and that's continuous power; not peak. Both subs use 12" drivers.
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post #3792 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

I agree. Given that you are doing the fabric treatment, there really isn't an issue with the 6" depth and either the Gold LCR or Silver Monitor will be a great choice. You are a little challenged since you are doing inwalls. There isn't a true gold lcr 'center' like there is with the in-room golds and you can't simply rotate the speaker. The silver monitor, on the other hand is a two way speaker and can be used on its side but just won't play as loud as the G-LCR.

Hey, nice job! Correctamundo!
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post #3793 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Hey, nice job! Correctamundo!

Just spreading the word from the book of Paul ...
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post #3794 of 5157
1/25/12 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

Just spreading the word from the book of Paul ...

Or, Paul's letter to the Triadians....
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post #3795 of 5157
1/25/12 at 8:18pm
Thanks for all of the great input. Looks like I will go with 3 of the in wall Gold LCR's, with a custom center Gold LCR so that I can arrange it horizontally), and with 4 of the Gold surrounds.

I currently have a Denon 4311ci receiver. Will this be sufficient power, or should I be looking to add a separate 3 channel amp to drive the 3 Gold LCR's? I'm already throwing a lot of money at this system, so if I don't really need the extra power, I'd like to hold off. On the other hand, if it will make a noticable difference, I'd consider doing it now. Thoughts?
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post #3796 of 5157
1/25/12 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

Thanks for all of the great input. Looks like I will go with 3 of the in wall Gold LCR's, with a custom center Gold LCR so that I can arrange it horizontally), and with 4 of the Gold surrounds.

I currently have a Denon 4311ci receiver. Will this be sufficient power, or should I be looking to add a separate 3 channel amp to drive the 3 Gold LCR's? I'm already throwing a lot of money at this system, so if I don't really need the extra power, I'd like to hold off. On the other hand, if it will make a noticable difference, I'd consider doing it now. Thoughts?

http://emotiva.com/xpa3.shtm
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post #3797 of 5157
1/26/12 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

Thanks for all of the great input. Looks like I will go with 3 of the in wall Gold LCR's, with a custom center Gold LCR so that I can arrange it horizontally), and with 4 of the Gold surrounds.

I currently have a Denon 4311ci receiver. Will this be sufficient power, or should I be looking to add a separate 3 channel amp to drive the 3 Gold LCR's? I'm already throwing a lot of money at this system, so if I don't really need the extra power, I'd like to hold off. On the other hand, if it will make a noticable difference, I'd consider doing it now. Thoughts?

So I have 3 Gold LCRs (in room version) and an AVR-4311ci. I had my system on the 4311 briefly and it handled them just fine. Funny that craigjohn mentioned it b/c the Emotiva XPA-3 is what I currently have in my rack. I'm selling it to a local guy to get an XPA-5 but the specs are for the most part the same.

On the surrounds, I went with Silver surrounds b/c the Golds were just so dang big and expensive. I have never heard them and I'm sure they are great b/c it seems you really get what you pay for with Triad ... but, you could really save yourself some coin and go with a different surround for the surround back. I personally like direct radiating and something like an Gold Omni/SE uses the same drivers as the Gold LCR. As Paul mentioned before, he even runs surround backs 'hot' to get something out of them. They aren't as important as the side surrounds (IMHO). With the coin you save, you can look into some DSX wides AND Emo amp for the same $$.

I just added wides and I really like what it brought to the whole surround experience. So much so that I upgraded the speakers I originally bought for wides and I'm going to re purpose the first wides as heights!
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post #3798 of 5157
1/26/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

http://emotiva.com/xpa3.shtm

Craig,

Having small kids, when I think of Lancaster PA .. I think Dutch Wonderland

Now I'm going to have to think ... Dutch (and Triad Platinum) Wonderland
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post #3799 of 5157
1/26/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by KMM View Post

Thanks for all of the great input. Looks like I will go with 3 of the in wall Gold LCR's, with a custom center Gold LCR so that I can arrange it horizontally), and with 4 of the Gold surrounds.

I currently have a Denon 4311ci receiver. Will this be sufficient power, or should I be looking to add a separate 3 channel amp to drive the 3 Gold LCR's? I'm already throwing a lot of money at this system, so if I don't really need the extra power, I'd like to hold off. On the other hand, if it will make a noticable difference, I'd consider doing it now. Thoughts?

The 4311 will work, but even budget separates will deliver more real power into a 4 ohm load. If you don't push your Denon into current-limiting or clipping, it will sound like just about anything. Having the extra current to avoid sawing off the peaks does make an audible difference, though.
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post #3800 of 5157
1/26/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post

Craig,

Having small kids, when I think of Lancaster PA .. I think Dutch Wonderland

Now I'm going to have to think ... Dutch (and Triad Platinum) Wonderland

Dutch Wonderland... we used to take the kids to Dutch Wonderland when they were little. They haven't been "little" for years... and that's how long it's been since I was there. I avoid that whole part of town... too touristy. Maybe when the granddaughter comes to visit this summer. She's 5, just about the right age for that place.

Craig

Edit: Triad. Triad. Triad.

^^^ That was to keep the post on-topic so I don't PO the "other" Paul.
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post #3801 of 5157
1/27/12 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post


Edit: Triad. Triad. Triad.

^^^ That was to keep the post on-topic so I don't PO the "other" Paul.

I love the off topic stuff. This thread isn't about anything important or world-changing. It's about speakers. And I'm as guilty as anyone for driving the thread into the ditch once in a while.
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post #3802 of 5157
1/27/12 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

And I'm as guilty as anyone for driving the thread into the ditch once in a while.

Nah...........I'm the poster-child for meandering topics!

BTW, how come bicyclist always wear tights? Would be better off aerodynamically using speedos................

Geezers in speedos.....................YUCK!
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post #3803 of 5157
1/27/12 at 5:50pm
Speedos would allow more of their hairy legs to show therefore less aero dynamic and more drag
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post #3804 of 5157
1/27/12 at 6:03pm
I'm excited that I am joining the Triad world after ordering my 3 in-wall Bronze 4/ LCRs and 4 in-wall Bronze 4/ surrounds for my new home theater today. . However after reading just three pages of this thread I'm feeling mighty inadequate tonight!!

Can't wait to get this room done and to start to enjoy the benefits of all the planning!
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post #3805 of 5157
1/27/12 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by tbraden32 View Post

Speedos would allow more of their hairy legs to show therefore less aero dynamic and more drag

Cyclists don't have hairy legs...at least the good ones don't.
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1/27/12 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by jrpeterson5 View Post

I'm excited that I am joining the Triad world after ordering my 3 in-wall Bronze 4/ LCRs and 4 in-wall Bronze 4/ surrounds for my new home theater today. . However after reading just three pages of this thread I'm feeling mighty inadequate tonight!!

Can't wait to get this room done and to start to enjoy the benefits of all the planning!

Great setup! You'll be pleased with the results. All you need is a decent sub or two, decent acoustics, accurate calibration, and a good mid-level receiver, and you're good to go. Did you make sure you ordered the grills paint-matched by Triad? (You can't paint them.) Let us know how things progress.
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post #3807 of 5157
1/27/12 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Did you make sure you ordered the grills paint-matched by Triad? (You can't paint them.)

On this subject just a little notice. If anyone ever asks your dealer to order replacement frames and grills be sure to specify frame size. We just ordered some for a client and the frames were much smaller which created a slight issue. It was our fault for 1 not knowing and 2 not checking, so make sure to inform your dealer.
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1/28/12 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by cdepaola View Post

On this subject just a little notice. If anyone ever asks your dealer to order replacement frames and grills be sure to specify frame size. We just ordered some for a client and the frames were much smaller which created a slight issue. It was our fault for 1 not knowing and 2 not checking, so make sure to inform your dealer.

Triad went to a narrower bezel two years ago, but the older, wider bezel is still available upon request. Dealers wanted the narrow bezels, and they nagged us for years, so we changed over. Most dealers know about this, but Triad should question every order for replacement grills and frames to make sure the right ones are being sent.
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1/28/12 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Great setup! You'll be pleased with the results. All you need is a decent sub or two, decent acoustics, accurate calibration, and a good mid-level receiver, and you're good to go.

Two Sunfire HRS10 subs and a Marantz SR6006 receiver. The room is definitely getting sound proofing treatments to keep the sound in, but the acoustics of the finished room are yet to be determined - we'll see how it is after setup and make adjustments then.

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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Did you make sure you ordered the grills paint-matched by Triad? (You can't paint them.) Let us know how things progress.

I decided against it at first and just opted for the black, but after talking with my wife, I think we are just going to do it because it will just give the true custom theater fit. I'm going to see if they can add this to the order....probably not a problem since I just placed the order yesterday late afternoon.

Thanks for the feedback!
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post #3810 of 5157
1/29/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Cyclists don't have hairy legs...at least the good ones don't.

I am a proud hair legged cyclist. I am just to lazy to shave.

On that point, I never seen a good cyclist with an elbow pad.

Tom

PS - LOVE THE SOCKS!!!!
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