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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

That appears to be a great driver. But don't trivialize what a well-performing subwoofer is by only focusing on the driver. The enclosure is just as important; proper dimensions, the right material for the box, the correct damping material, bracing to kill all cabinet resonance, etc. It takes an engineer. And then there's the amplifier, DSP functions, EQ, limiting, etc. Designing a subwoofer system is like buying an engine and "dropping it into" a car. If you're a talented hobbyist and you're more interested in the activity of making a sub, have at it.

DYI with subwoofer construction isn't in the cards for me.................don't want a sub doing the "Texas 2-Step" dancing around on the floor. The most impressive sub I've heard though has been a DIY TC Sound 5400 Ultra.........................
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

DYI with subwoofer construction isn't in the cards for me.................don't want a sub doing the "Texas 2-Step" dancing around on the floor. The most impressive sub I've heard though has been a DIY TC Sound 5400 Ultra.........................

I have heard a pair of Submersives which are one of the best commercial subs I have heard. I also have a friend who has quad sealed LMS Ultra's and that is the best bass I have ever experienced aside from a pair of Wilson XS subs. It's hard to explain but the LMS ultra is the cleanest sounding sub I have ever owned or heard. I actually used to have a pair of LMS Ultra sealed my-self and stupidly sold them. What I should have done is add another pair like my friend did, it made a huge difference as his bass is just effortless now.

Maybe you can have a local cabinet builder make a pair of dual opposed boxes for quad LMS Ultra's? They would be like Submersives on steroids wink.gif

This AVS member had someone build the boxes for him: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1266665/warpdrvs-dual-opposed-18-lmss-the-xlerators
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I asked earlier in thread but has someone compared a Submersive or similar, maybe even a LMS 5400 to Triads own, such as the Plat subs.

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I have heard a dual Platinum sub system, but not in my own room, and I can't say anything about how they were set up or EQ'd. They were in a dealer showroom, mated with Platinum LCR's and Gold in-wall surrounds, and the intricate details of the set up where not known by the sales rep. More importantly, I wasn't given access to the volume control. eek.gif

I will say that I would take my own system, and especially my Submersive system, over that system any day. However, I can't state whether that was a "representative" demo of the full capabilities of the Platinum subs. In fact, I'm sure it was not.

Craig
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I have the living room in my new house prepped for Triad in walls. I had a custom framed front a/v wall done for the front LCR. Surrounds will be in ceiling. Room is roughly 18/9 x 17/6. Big opening on the left wall to our kitchen/dining area. 9 foot ceiling. Right wall will be fireplace with raised hearth and ledgestone backdrop from floor to ceiling. Back wall has a 3' wide opening to a hallway and will be built in floor to ceiling bookshelves otherwise.

I'm torn between silvers or bronzes and would welcome any advice. The front wall is built and cut to fit either the bronze4 or the silver6 in wall LCR. Will be the same speaker for all 3 positions.

Will be using dual bronze 6 in wall subs up front as well. Would select bronze or silver surrounds to match the choice of bronze or silver up front.

The cost difference isn't that huge, but with a custom new construction project every dollar needs to be justified. Don't want to needlessly overspend.

Most of my use will be movies with some gaming. Normal tv viewing next. Music last.

Thanks! I'm very excited for this brand. Will also be using Triad in ceiling rounds throughout the house for distributed audio. Also mixed between the bronze and the mini on those.
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Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post

I have the living room in my new house prepped for Triad in walls. I had a custom framed front a/v wall done for the front LCR. Surrounds will be in ceiling. Room is roughly 18/9 x 17/6. Big opening on the left wall to our kitchen/dining area. 9 foot ceiling. Right wall will be fireplace with raised hearth and ledgestone backdrop from floor to ceiling. Back wall has a 3' wide opening to a hallway and will be built in floor to ceiling bookshelves otherwise.
I'm torn between silvers or bronzes and would welcome any advice. The front wall is built and cut to fit either the bronze4 or the silver6 in wall LCR. Will be the same speaker for all 3 positions.
Will be using dual bronze 6 in wall subs up front as well. Would select bronze or silver surrounds to match the choice of bronze or silver up front.
The cost difference isn't that huge, but with a custom new construction project every dollar needs to be justified. Don't want to needlessly overspend.
Most of my use will be movies with some gaming. Normal tv viewing next. Music last.
Thanks! I'm very excited for this brand. Will also be using Triad in ceiling rounds throughout the house for distributed audio. Also mixed between the bronze and the mini on those.

If budget is somewhat of an issue, I would still do the InWall Silver/6 LCRs up front, and maybe do Bronze Surrounds instead of Silver Surrounds. Make sure you order the grilles with custom paint from your authorized Triad dealer. The grilles cannot be repainted without ruining them. The factory paint-matching is free on Triad's American-made speakers (The imported round speakers have a small charge for custom paint.). Two InWall Bronze/6 Subs provide great bass without being visible. Good choice.
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 11/27/12 at 8:19am
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On the subject of silver lcr in-wallls.....

My room has been spec-Ed using 6 silver lcr mated with a front stage of 3 Plats. With a room 17 ft wide I figured 4 gold surrounds were in the cards. BTW, two Plat subs and bronze subs for fillers.

What do think master G....aka Paul. I quess I'd prefer gold surrounds but what do I know.
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

On the subject of silver lcr in-wallls.....
My room has been spec-Ed using 6 silver lcr mated with a front stage of 3 Plats. With a room 17 ft wide I figured 4 gold surrounds were in the cards. BTW, two Plat subs and bronze subs for fillers.
What do think master G....aka Paul. I quess I'd prefer gold surrounds but what do I know.

4 silver on the sides and 2 back? I think it's a nice choice. Since your room is wide enough, I personally would go with a monopole vs dipole gold surrounds.
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

4 silver on the sides and 2 back? I think it's a nice choice. Since your room is wide enough, I personally would go with a monopole vs dipole gold surrounds.

Thanks Tony,

I've had both......

Didn't know if my room was big enough for the silvers. Would like the silver monitors but I'm blowing out my budget! Typical in this home building bis.....
post #4660 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I have heard a pair of Submersives which are one of the best commercial subs I have heard. I also have a friend who has quad sealed LMS Ultra's and that is the best bass I have ever experienced aside from a pair of Wilson XS subs. It's hard to explain but the LMS ultra is the cleanest sounding sub I have ever owned or heard. I actually used to have a pair of LMS Ultra sealed my-self and stupidly sold them. What I should have done is add another pair like my friend did, it made a huge difference as his bass is just effortless now.
Maybe you can have a local cabinet builder make a pair of dual opposed boxes for quad LMS Ultra's? They would be like Submersives on steroids wink.gif
This AVS member had someone build the boxes for him: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1266665/warpdrvs-dual-opposed-18-lmss-the-xlerators

Thanks for the feedback.................

You just confirmed what I've observed........................or should I say, heard!!!! wink.gif
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Paul or anyone what kind of performance can I expect to get out of four inwall bronze subs? The room is 15 by 18 with a sloped ceiling starting at 8 ft going to 12 ft on the 15 ft width. Mostly used for home theater at reasonable loud levels not all the way to reference.
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Thinking of adding a second sub to help room response. My room is 14W x 22L x 8H and being open in back to game room.

I currently have a single older Plat with the 1000w rack amp. I was thinking of adding a second Plat or would I be better off getting two Golds instead or even maybe adding Silvers in the back and keep the Plat upfront?
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That room is just a little bigger then my room. I owned the older Plat subs at one point. I now have a Seaton Submersive. I really have no room to put a sub or subs except in the front of my room. I'm happier with the single Submersive then I was with either dual older Plat subs or dual Epik Empires. The guy who sold me the Plat subs now has a Seaton F2 and he also feels the same way. Never heard any of the newer Triad dsp subs.
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When you say your are happier, like on scale of 1-10? Did you ever compare running on Plat vs two Plats and see how much that improved your room response?

I am far away from being an audiophile or anything close!
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In my room the only two spots for subs are on either side of the center channel. My room is symmetrical and sealed. When I had dual empires I owned an omni mic and each sub measured identical to the other. Once I realized there was no benefit to dual subs it was an easy decision. Two Submersives in my room would be overkill on performance and budget. I've yet to hear from anyone that they were unhappy with a Submersive.
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Originally Posted by Rev75 View Post

Paul or anyone what kind of performance can I expect to get out of four inwall bronze subs? The room is 15 by 18 with a sloped ceiling starting at 8 ft going to 12 ft on the 15 ft width. Mostly used for home theater at reasonable loud levels not all the way to reference.

Four InWall Bronze DSP Subs will do a nice job in that room. I use a single one in my office that's almost exactly that size (15' x 17' x 9') and the bass is more than adequate. Four of them will smooth out room modes and give you far more output with low distortion. And it's nice having subs built-in.
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Hi Paul,
Can you please check my attached floor plan. This will be new construction home and I need to have them in walls in my family room. My TV will be above fireplace. Can you suggest all the necessary equipment for in wall and in ceiling for triad, including any good receiver? My budget will be aournd 3K including speakers, sub and receiver. I can go with 5.1 first and later including 7.1 when my budget permits.

What front in wall LCR?
what center in wall?
what left and right? I am new to this so not sure if you call this as left/right surround?
what receiver do I need?
what sub Do I need?
If possible can you also give me approx price for each of that ?

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Going to need a bit more info.

1. What's the height of your ceiling?

2. Is there any wall space above your TV? If yes, we would need a 4-inch depth to mount the speaker.

3. What is the approximate seating distance from the TV?


The problem with TVs over fireplaces is that the TV tends to be higher than normal. So if you mount a speaker under the TV, the TV height becomes even worse. So then some people will place the speaker above the TV -- again not optimal in my opinion.

So there are a couple of solutions: a soundbar for underneath the TV, or my personal favorite; a set of Triad in-ceiling speakers.
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Originally Posted by Dawn Gordon View Post

Going to need a bit more info.
1. What's the height of your ceiling?
2. Is there any wall space above your TV? If yes, we would need a 4-inch depth to mount the speaker.
3. What is the approximate seating distance from the TV?
The problem with TVs over fireplaces is that the TV tends to be higher than normal. So if you mount a speaker under the TV, the TV height becomes even worse. So then some people will place the speaker above the TV -- again not optimal in my opinion.
So there are a couple of solutions: a soundbar for underneath the TV, or my personal favorite; a set of Triad in-ceiling speakers.

I have 9" ceiling.I agree, if we put center speaker between TV and fireplace, then that isnot optimal for viewing. So have to have speaker above TV. I have heard ppl saying in walls are better then in ceiling. specially for fronts and center.
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Originally Posted by pratikgr View Post

I have 9" ceiling.I agree, if we put center speaker between TV and fireplace, then that isnot optimal for viewing. So have to have speaker above TV. I have heard ppl saying in walls are better then in ceiling. specially for fronts and center.
With a 9" ceiling you must be a newborn Hobbit. You'll have to expand your ceiling to around 3 1/2' when your older.
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

With a 9" ceiling you must be a newborn Hobbit. You'll have to expand your ceiling to around 3 1/2' when your older.

smile.gif)) Sorry , 9 Foot smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Many manufacturers of many high-end things can't put pricing on their websites because of their foreign markets; even Canada. In the past, it caused Triad all kinds of grief. With exchange rates, duties, customs, etc., foreign consumers would explode in the face of our distributors without understanding how imports work. PM me with any pricing requests; specific products, or the entire huge price guide. Or, e-mail Director of Sales Bruce Franklin at bfranklin@triadspeakers.com. If the United States was our sole market, we'd have MSRP up there.

Paul - I sent you a PM

Thanks,
Jim
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Have the Cinema Reference Line been seen in the wild yet?

Craig
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I am looking at going to an 11.2 setup from my current 7.2 setup.
Have InRoom Silver monitors for LCR and 4x InWall Gold/4's for SR, SL, SBR and SBL.
What would be recommended for the extra wides? Do i need to use the same silver monitors as the LCR's?
What would be recommended for the heights? Once again do they need to match the front soundstage?
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Have the Cinema Reference Line been seen in the wild yet?
Craig

They do not exist yet, although Widescreen Review stated they'd be released in the 4th quarter. They didn't specify which 4th quarter, though.tongue.gif My guess is we're looking at mid-summer, although people at Triad tell me sooner than that...or later than that. I'll update you as I get more meaningful information.
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What exactly makes the biggest difference in the quality of sound in a speaker? Is it the tweeter? Will this Cinema Reference line be better then the Gold Monitors and Platinums or just able to support bigger rooms?
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Originally Posted by pratikgr View Post

Hi Paul,
Can you please check my attached floor plan. This will be new construction home and I need to have them in walls in my family room. My TV will be above fireplace. Can you suggest all the necessary equipment for in wall and in ceiling for triad, including any good receiver? My budget will be aournd 3K including speakers, sub and receiver. I can go with 5.1 first and later including 7.1 when my budget permits.
What front in wall LCR?
what center in wall?
what left and right? I am new to this so not sure if you call this as left/right surround?
what receiver do I need?
what sub Do I need?
If possible can you also give me approx price for each of that ?
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$3,000 for the entire system may preclude you from using Triad. I would avoid installing speakers above a TV that's already high in the air. It's just my opinion, but I would also avoid installing a TV over a fireplace. Again, just my humble opinion. If you have to install the TV there, the rectangular ceiling speakers from Triad (with angled baffles) would make the most of a flawed situation. InCeiling Bronze/6 Sats ($450 each) would work, but three InCeiling Silver/6 Sats ($500 each) would work better. Because of your budget, I'd look at the InCeiling Bronze Open Rounds at $500 per pair, unless there is a 2nd floor with bedrooms. Then I would use the $700/pair InCeiling Bronze Sealed Rounds, to avoid bleeding into adjacent rooms. A Mini OmniSub is $550, and it'll provide good punch. I auditioned one in my theater when they were introduced, and I was shocked at the bang for the buck. I would look for a decent $400 receiver. Most people spend too much on a receiver and not enough on speakers; a big mistake. The sonic differences among budget receivers are miniscule. The $250 Panasonic receiver we did for my daughter a few years ago sounds quite good, but almost any name brand will work. I would also defer to a local dealer who carries Triad to look at the room. They will be better equipped to determine what's best than I, after only looking at a basic drawing. The system I described, in a decent-sounding room, will perform well and play to robust levels, but I wouldn't expect to reach reference levels.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post

What exactly makes the biggest difference in the quality of sound in a speaker? Is it the tweeter? Will this Cinema Reference line be better then the Gold Monitors and Platinums or just able to support bigger rooms?

A great speaker excels in all areas. The cabinet has to be inert and non-resonant, the drivers have to be of good quality and properly matched, and the crossover has to be high quality and designed properly. It's not so much what makes a speaker sound good as it's what makes a speaker sound bad.

I haven't heard the CR1 yet, but it will play louder than Gold Monitors and a bit louder than Platinum LCRs. If David Nelson properly executes this speaker, and with that amazing air-motion transformer, it should sound better than any Triad speaker so far. I have my eye on the smaller versions for my theater. When they come out...is anybody's guess.
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Originally Posted by Ian13 View Post

I am looking at going to an 11.2 setup from my current 7.2 setup.
Have InRoom Silver monitors for LCR and 4x InWall Gold/4's for SR, SL, SBR and SBL.
What would be recommended for the extra wides? Do i need to use the same silver monitors as the LCR's?
What would be recommended for the heights? Once again do they need to match the front soundstage?

The room will determine the answers to a lot of your questions. But I wouldn't use Silver Monitors for LCRs in a system that will play loud. They sound wonderful, and they're the ultimate surround speaker for Platinum LCRs, but they don't handle enough power below 200 Hz to play with authority for LCR applications. I would look at Gold LCRs, or, depending upon the room and budget, Platinum LCRs. While I am adamant about matching the three front speakers (all at the same height, avoid horizontal centers, all the same speakers, etc.), effects or surround speakers don't have to be matched. They should be uncolored sounding, and play loud enough to keep up with the fronts, but they don't have to be identical. I've heard good results using Bronze LCRs or Silver Sats for "wides." The Gold Omni SE is a good choice, too, if the budget allows.
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