Triad Owner's Thread - Page 157

Yeah, I got it. Cracking up here. "Stonehenge!"

hi Paul

thanks for the reply but what is it that you mean or determine to be loud. (Is it referance level)
by the way the silver monitor frontstage also has x2 Platinum DSP subs there to support them.
does it make any differance if the Silver monitors are used in a engineered and acoustically treated room?


Also what do you recommend for the height speakers?

Paul or Anyone!

I'm laying in bed tonight, and I hear a very loud strange sound almost like a generator running. I go out my bedroom and my 4yr old is standing at the top of the second floor steps and says "Daddy what is that loud sound?"


I walk up the steps and into the media room. Something is burning, smoking and humming extremely loud....it's my Triad 1000w rack amp!!


Everything was off, amp was in standby/on mode. AVR/TV and such off....I'm pretty sure it's fried and not sure how.


My room smells terrible. Any ideas what happened?

I unplugged everything thinking what could have happened if I was asleep!!

(PS-posted in amp section too, but thought since its a Triad product should post here too....help)

Now I need a comment wherein a picture of the amp knob going to 11 fits...

Edit - jeez, seems tbraden's post deserves that reference...

Paul,

Could you please comment a little more about this quote. I am considering Plats in a small dedicated room that is 11x17. This room has two rows of seats so the front row would only be 8' from speakers. I am looking at used Plats (along with 4 inwall golds) so dont have option of selecting a different model.

I have already recieved some great advice from Craig. I would like your opinion if I would be using these in the wrong environment. Not sure if this might be too much of a good thing.

Thanks

Local dealer just quoted me the following:

Triad On-wall Micro LCR 3.0 - $999
Triad On-wall Mini LCR 3.0 - $1349

Couple of questions:
- Anybody know how much of an increase I'm looking at for custom width?

- Will the price vary by dealer? Or does Triad control the prices? I thought I've seen lower prices mentioned in the thread.

- Do I have to go with the local dealer? Anybody know if it's possible to avoid paying sales tax by going with an out of state dealer?

So I currently have in room Gold LCRs and I want to move from my current horizontal center to a vertical one to match L/R. I'm thinking about going with a inwall version since it is thinner and (according to Paul) is sonically identical. Question is .. can I just mount it on the wall? I don't want to put a penetration in my room but I know its an inwall and didn't know if it was design to be flush with the wall. The front wall with be fully treated.

Main reason is I don't want to give up to much distance to my first row w/ the new AT screen.

And yes .. I happen to be pretty close to 20854 (just across the river).

I live 80 miles away. He probably wouldn't want to demo my system. Once he hears Gold Monitors I doubt he'll want to hear Gold Lcr's.

Pauley,

I'm fairly sure that the in-wall was designed to be flush, and there's no way I know to mount it on the wall. I suppose you could install a shelf of some kind for it. But I'll let Paul chime in, as to whether it would be an issue sonically.

Hi all. Wanted to get some thoughts from you all on an issue I am having with the Triad SlimSubs.

I just got my theater completed and am in the process of getting all of the audio tuned. The layout Dennis E. specc'd includes Triad Silver LCRs, Gold Surrounds, a CinemaPlus Silver sub and 3 SlimSubs.

Everything but the SlimSubs sounds great. The SlimSubs, however, make a popping, scratching sound nearly anytime bass comes out of them. Out of my 3 SlimSubs, one is very bad, the second is close to it. The third one is not too bad but it pops pretty regularly. The speakers sound like they are blown or being under driven. All are connected to individual RackAmp 350s. The SlimSub is selected in the RackAmp config. I have pulled the worst sub out of the column to make sure it was not an install issue. The sound clearly comes from behind the center of the driver. I have also swapped Amps and used the Amp from the least troublesome sub to the worst one with no change. I have tried lowering the gain as low as possible. The only way they don't sound bad is if they are so low that they are producing almost no bass. I cannot imagine I could have 3 bad subs...I have to be doing something wrong, but I am at a loss for what to try next.

Any thoughts?

/edit: Dennis has put in a call to Triad (on Christmas Eve no less....Dennis is awesome!). Triad is not too far away from my home so I've offered to take a speaker over there is they need to see one. We'll see. Still welcome suggestions if anyone has thoughts.

Shan
Edited by Shan - 12/24/12 at 11:19am

Silver Monitors will play to reference level in moderate-sized rooms, and maybe a few dB above. They can play louder, but the crossover point has to be raised to 100 Hz, 120 Hz, or even higher if you listen loud. Silver Monitors work best as surrounds in a larger room, or a room that's not completely treated acoustically. In a smaller room, or where seats are close to the surrounds, they, like all direct-radiating surrounds, will hot-spot. I prefer the Silver Monitor for surrounds with Platinum LCRs, but in smaller, acoustically-treated rooms with multiple seats, the Gold Surrounds (dipoles) are hard to beat. They still offer some directional cues.

I don't know what could have caused that, but if you're the original purchaser, you should have a warranty. The BASH technology Triad amps use is pretty bombproof, but anything can fail. Sorry it was your turn. I'm assuming you've contacted Triad service by now.

I spoke with Director Sales Bruce Franklin, and, apparently, a fix is in the works. It's also a considerable upgrade. Dennis Erskine is one of the top designers and integrators on Earth, and I'm sure he'll help, too.

I've mentioned a few times that the SlimSub (which is temporarily discontinued because of a supply issue) was conceived for distributed audio systems. It was designed to get some bass into a dining room, den, bedroom, where there was a pair of small speakers and more fullness was desired. I have suggested against using them in a home theater, unless they can be used in multiples, and grouped adjacent to each other and and near the floor so they couple. The less-than-4" depth mandates a 10" driver that won't move much air. They should be used when there's 4" of depth; for example, in an interior wall of a house. I'm sorry for the problems, but Bruce tells me there's a fix that should more than double your bass. Thanks for being civil, and not dumping on anyone in your post! Nobody likes broken "stuff."

Yup, I heard from Dennis this morning that Triad is going to replace the SlimSubs with Bronze/6 subs at no charge and with no questions asked. I originally picked the Triad option because they are local (about a 40 minute drive from me). After hearing the speakers in my Theater and seeing the type of customer support I can expect from them, I am very, very happy with my choice.

With any luck, the speakers will be done early next week and I will drive over and swap them. After that, I will get everything tuned and let everyone know how they sound. I know it will be good since they already sound great with just the CinemaPlus subwoofer going. With 3 more Bronze subs, the room is going to rock.

If this experience has taught me anything it is that you cannot go wrong with Dennis and Triad. Great combination!!!

Thanks for the reply Paul and thanks for continuing to provide great support and information in this thread!!

Shan

Can anyone post some photos of how exactly the InWall's are installed? The line drawing is blurry at best and just from readying the installation manual for a retro install, it sounds like the grill frame goes on second? If this is the case, how does the box itself support itself while you are trying to "hold" the box in a hole cut in drywall that is the same size as the box? I understand the brackets "slide out" on the backside of the drywall but it sounds like the frame tightening into the front of the box is what "holds" the speaker in place. Any photos of your install would greatly help since I am planning on installing my 3 InWall Mini LCR's tonight. Thank you!

Scott

I do not have any pics...I did not take any before I put the fabric up. When I take the fabric down off the columns to get the SlimSubs back out, I'll take some. I can try to describe it tho, based on all of the ones I got (Silver LCR, Bronze Surrounds and SlimSubs...they all mount the same way).

There is a frame that screws to the front of the speaker, creating about a 1" lip all the way around to keep the speaker from falling into the hole. When you put the speaker in the hole, there are 3-4" long tabs that slide out from all 4 corners either on the sides or top/bottom, depending on how you configure them. When these are fully extended, you tighten the screws to pull them against the back of the wall surface, sandwiching the drywall between the tabs and the lip of the front frame, holding the speaker firmly in place.

I don't know if that helps, but I'll get some pics too if someone does not post any before I tear things down.

Shan

Thanks Shan for the step by step. I went ahead and dove into it last night and it made more sense one I got into it. I have the Mini LCRs so here is what I found for anyone out there that is looking for install info with these speakers. The speakers come with a cutout template but be warned that it is larger than it needs to be - cut to the inside of the line and not the line itself. All of my holes were covered by the frame but barely - it could be very easy to cut too large of a hole. The slide out brackets are actually recessed into the box so that the box sits flush in the opening and the slide outs are on the backside of the drywall. Then the frame gets attached using 4 screws and then the grill presses in with the felt-like seal. All in all pretty straight forward. A few pics below.

I have been trying to locate a dealer on long island ny. Can anyone help me out thanks

Paul had earlier suggested dipole sides and direct rears for my setup. I was looking at:

Front: IW Gold/6 LCR's
Side: IW Gold/4 Surround
Rear: IC Silver/6 Sat

If I wanted to add Wides would that change the recommendation?
Would I still use diploes? What do I use for the wides?

Possible Choices:
Front: IW Gold/6 LCR's
Wide: IW Gold /4 Omni SE (Good Choice or Other?)
Side: IW Gold/4 Surround or Gold /4 Omni SE (Whick one or other?)
Rear: IW Gold/4 Surround or Gold /4 Omni SE (Whick one or other?)

I changed the rears to IW's in the corner. Is this better than in IC more towards to center rear?


Home Theater Design Ideas - Speaker Placement with Wides Updated.pdf 93k .pdf file

I updated the sketch.
Edited by avtexan - 1/1/13 at 9:28am

Hi everyone, Happy New Year! I have owned my Gold LCR system with in-ceiling Bronze LCR for rear surrounds for about 8 months and have really enjoyed them. The question I have is, should I replace the Bronze LCR with the Silve 4 Surround? Is the silver good for an inceiling application? Or am I just splitting hairs? I would keep the Bronze LCR for future Height or Wides duty. If anyone has a thought I appreciate it. Thanks.

It will depend on your room design and room layout. Post that and I'm sure Paul or someone will address it for you.

Hi Paul or Anyone-

I am a prospective customer in the nyc area working with a custom installer and was hoping you or anyone else (owner, dealer, etc) can help me with some questions.

A few years ago, you wrote that the Silver Inroom LCR represent the best value for the money because they were upgraded to the more expensive SEAS tweeters used in the Gold series. Is this still the case? I can't find that information on the website. It just says Fabric dome proprietary tweeter (Gold) and Fabric dome tweeter (Silver).

My listening application will be 1/3 music, 1/3 home theater, 1/3 just watching tv programming like sports in a main living room roughly 16' x 16' but it is not enclosed and opens to dining room and kitchen (to the side). I really want as good a sound quality as possible while being somewhat economical as well. I was thinking the silver system would be good for me (in wall lcr, in wall surrounds, 1 in wall bronze/6 sub). How much better will the Gold LCR/Surrounds or Monitor Silvers be?

I demoed the in wall bronze once and they sounded quite good but it is hard to compare them to other speakers I liked at other showrooms. I listened to the Totem In-Wall tribes and they sounded great for music, but it is hard to compare based on memory only. Nowhere I know can demo them side by side. I also really liked the sound of a Martin Logan floor standing electrostat for the crispness of the mid/high ranges especially vocals and how the sound doesn't appear to be coming at me from one point. How will these Triad in-walls compare to those speakers?

Lastly, if i decide to go w/ more than 1 in-wall sub, do i need a separate rack amp for each?

Thank you so much for your time in helping me make this decision.

So I think I've settled on Sierra Towers for L/R and Sierra Horizon for C, but I can't decided on the surrounds. I need to do in ceiling since this is in the basement and I can't run wire through a concrete floor and I have no wall space to do on wall or in wall. One side has a wet bar and the other a large window. Here's a cad drawing of the basement. What would you experts suggest for the 4 surround speakers? I was thinking InWall Silver/4's, but wasn't sure if there was any other setup that would work better.


Any advice on what would be the proper speakers to go with and what is the best placement for them would be greatly appreciated.

shouldnt your front L/R be closer together near the TV.

They are already pretty close to the screen. The screen is 10' wide and they were planned at the time to be Aperion VGT's which are supposed to be 4' from a back wall and 3' from a side wall. That's why they are so far out into the room. I haven't got an answer yet on is the Ascend Towers need to be pulled so far away from the walls, but I'm guessing they do. I'm not at the computer that has that cad drawing right now, but I think the L/R speakers are only 2' away from the edge of the screen. I was worried if I put them too close that light from the screen would glare off them. With the Ascend's I'll be getting either the Matte or Satin finish, so it shouldn't be as big of a deal.

Does anyone have any experience with Triad InCeiling Mini/8LCR? Will they work for a master bedroom application. Basic TV watching and moderate movie watching.

Or could they be a good rear surround speaker. What is MSRP on these too?

Yes, they should do fine for the master bedroom if it is not too large and/or you do not want to play the volume too loud. I am using them as surround speakers in the ceiling with the baffles aimed toward (and just behind) my main seating area in an open floorplan family room. Since they are surrounds they do not have to play too loudly, but I would think they would do fine in a bedroom. I do not know the MSRP on them as I picked up this pair from someone selling them eBay who ended up not using them in a project he was doing.

Can anyone comment on Episode Speakers compared to Triads?