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post #5101 of 6133
Mr. Paul,

If I had to go all in-ceiling for LCR and surrounds for a 22x14 room [only 3 walls, one side wall is NOT present due to open concept and one wall has front door and 3 x windows].

Or would you go LCR's in wall [AT screen of course] and rear surrounds in-wall and only the main surrounds in ceiling?

My first post in some time...


Mike Miles
post #5102 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmiles View Post

Mr. Paul,

If I had to go all in-ceiling for LCR and surrounds for a 22x14 room [only 3 walls, one side wall is NOT present due to open concept and one wall has front door and 3 x windows].

Or would you go LCR's in wall [AT screen of course] and rear surrounds in-wall and only the main surrounds in ceiling?

My first post in some time...


Mike Miles

Hey, Mike. InWall Bronze/8 LCRs work very well, and they're a good InCeiling choice for an LCR. You could use InCeiling Gold/8 Monitors like I'm using in my office, but they're almost as much as Gold LCRs, which will play at least 6 dB louder. If the joists run left to right, you could do three InCeiling Silver/6 Monitors, which are really good. They're $2,450 each.

Your second choice is almost what I had to do in my theater; three LCRs behind an AT screen, side surrounds in the ceiling, and rear surrounds in the ceiling. You have many more options with Triad InWalls if you don't go InCeiling. InWall Silver/4 or /6 LCRs are $900 each, and InWall Gold/6 LCRs (the motherlode) are $2,250 each. The "/6" designation indicates the amount of stud depth the speakers need to flush mount. With the advancements in AT screens, at this point it's the only way to go. My Screen Research electric is 7 years old, it looks great, and they've gotten better and cheaper.
post #5103 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

For your purposes, and even if you boost bass a little for low-level listening; a 25-watt per channel receiver will do fine. If your old Denon is more than that; even better.

Purists will gasp at this next comment, but if you want a better spectral balance for general television viewing, try using the loudness contour. I'm assuming when you say "old Denon" it has a loudness control. This will fill the bottom end and also boost treble at low levels. I always thought the Fletcher Munson Curve was rather clever. Notice the progressively larger bass and treble boosts at lower levels.

http://www.audiophilejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fletcher_munson.gif
Good to hear about watts. Considering even using just a Sonos Connect amp.
post #5104 of 6133
Raises hand................

Two Plat subs and two bronze 6 in-walls.......................is this a match made in heaven?

Can two 10'' driver subs complement two massive 18" Plats? Experts call it leveling................but can it really help? Can those two little woofers make a difference in smoothing LF output?

I want my woofer-age to be substantial....................and I mean SUBSTANTIAL!

Orbital Shifters are looking less likely due to size of the beasts................ looks to be impossible to fit behind my screen! Sniff.........sniff..............
post #5105 of 6133
Hi guys

I am looking for some feedback and direction with an idea i have been thinking alot about lately but do not pretend to understand beyond the very basics.
As some of you know i recently purchased Triad Plats LCR's and have them only temp setup until i build my dedicated theatre room.
My idea is i am considering constructing and putting my Plats into a baffle wall.
Is this a good move?
Will the Plats benefit and or are they suited for baffle wall placement?

I am all for improvements if it offers real world benefits that are audible not just measurable.
your comments and advice are much wanted and needed

cheers
post #5106 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Raises hand................

Two Plat subs and two bronze 6 in-walls.......................is this a match made in heaven?

Can two 10'' driver subs complement two massive 18" Plats? Experts call it leveling................but can it really help? Can those two little woofers make a difference in smoothing LF output?

I want my woofer-age to be substantial....................and I mean SUBSTANTIAL!

Orbital Shifters are looking less likely due to size of the beasts................ looks to be impossible to fit behind my screen! Sniff.........sniff..............
In my brothers professional built room, he had Two dual 15" McIntosh subs up front on each side behind an AT screen and then had two Silver InWall subs on both side walls. Trying to attain same effect and smooth response as you.
post #5107 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Raises hand................

Two Plat subs and two bronze 6 in-walls.......................is this a match made in heaven?

Can two 10'' driver subs complement two massive 18" Plats? Experts call it leveling................but can it really help? Can those two little woofers make a difference in smoothing LF output?

I want my woofer-age to be substantial....................and I mean SUBSTANTIAL!

Orbital Shifters are looking less likely due to size of the beasts................ looks to be impossible to fit behind my screen! Sniff.........sniff..............
This will depend TOTALLY on setup. If not setup properly, the Bronze 6 subs will only "hold back" the Plat subs. They MIGHT improve the FR, but their output and extension is so much lower than the Plat subs that the Bronze subs would be the limiting factor for total output and deep extension. What equipment do you have for Bass Management and subwoofer system optimization?

If I were attempting this, I would use the Bronze6 subs as "MBM's" (Mid-Bass Modules.) To do this, you need an external crossover plus the ability to set individual suboofer delays. Some form of multi-channel EQ would also be beneficial for response optimization. It is impossible to do this without the ability to measure the response. A system like this can be complicated to integrate and it may be best to hire a professional.

Don't get me wrong... this can certainly be done. Art Sonnebourne's theater uses a similar system, with dual Submersives up front and 3 Triad in-wall subs for modal response smoothing: http://www.artsonneborn.com/html/equipment.html Of course, that system was setup and optimized by Mark Seaton himself, so I have no doubt it is spectacular I'm sure it provides SUBSTANTIAL bass. smile.gif

Craig
post #5108 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Ian13 View Post

Hi guys

I am looking for some feedback and direction with an idea i have been thinking alot about lately but do not pretend to understand beyond the very basics.
As some of you know i recently purchased Triad Plats LCR's and have them only temp setup until i build my dedicated theatre room.
My idea is i am considering constructing and putting my Plats into a baffle wall.
Is this a good move?
Will the Plats benefit and or are they suited for baffle wall placement?

I am all for improvements if it offers real world benefits that are audible not just measurable.
your comments and advice are much wanted and needed

cheers
Paul posted a really good article a while back about Plat's in a baffle wall. I can't find it right now, but maybe Paul can re-post it. It was written by Anthony Grimani and it explained all the benefits of a baffle wall.

After reading it, I still had one question: The Plat's have some "contours" built into the front baffle to reduce diffraction effects off the front of the speaker. When placing the Plat's in a baffle wall, are those contoured baffles detrimental to the final response? I would think a perfectly flat baffle would be better than the existing contoured front baffle blended into a baffle wall. Is this important, or trivial, to the final result?

Craig
post #5109 of 6133
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Paul posted a really good article a while back about Plat's in a baffle wall. I can't find it right now, but maybe Paul can re-post it. It was written by Anthony Grimani and it explained all the benefits of a baffle wall.

After reading it, I still had one question: The Plat's have some "contours" built into the front baffle to reduce diffraction effects off the front of the speaker. When placing the Plat's in a baffle wall, are those contoured baffles detrimental to the final response? I would think a perfectly flat baffle would be better than the existing contoured front baffle blended into a baffle wall. Is this important, or trivial, to the final result?

Craig

I remember the article, but I can't find it. I'll continue to look for it. The Platinums do have a contoured front baffle, and the BaffleWall is an extension of that, arcing back to avoid diffraction. The BaffleWall provides progressively more gain the lower you go in frequency, and adjustments can be made in EQ to flatten response. The result is 25% the amount of power is required to reproduce a 100 Hz note than it would take without the BaffleWall. A perfectly flat baffle is not as good due to diffraction.

Edit: I just found the article as a .pdf, and I can't convert it to Word because I won't give the Adobe people any money. I'll try a few other things. Or, for anyone who wants it, post or PM your e-mail address and I'll send it as an attachment. No wiseass comments about my limited technical ability. tongue.gif

Hey, can I import the .pdf as an image and post it?
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 5/10/13 at 1:09pm
post #5110 of 6133
040601_baffled_again.pdf 182k .pdf file

Is that it?

Craig
post #5111 of 6133
I too found this.

Here is a great article written by Anthony Grimani about baffle walls using the Triad Platinum speakers:
http://www.triadspeakers.com/pmi/pdf...fled_again.pdf
the above link was from Graig from a previous thread awhile ago

Also thankyou to Paul for emailing me the article
post #5112 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post



Hold me, I'm scared! eek.gif

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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Holy crap!! Nice setup! We could probably use an evaluation of those Platinums. I really miss mine, as much as I love Gold Monitors.

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Originally Posted by mankite View Post

Haven't had a chance to hook them up yet. Spent a couple hours yesterday getting the stands just right as unlike the Gold Monitors its not easy to mess with toe in once the speakers are on the stands. I'll report back once everything is in order.



tongue.gif

Craig
post #5113 of 6133


Drywall dust from light fixtures. Evaluation and clean up still to come. smile.gif
post #5114 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post

Evaluation and clean up still to come. smile.gif

As part of your evaluation, make sure you play the Platinums at high level at times. As well as they resolve inner detail at low levels, they were made to do what not many speakers can do; sound great at high output. Not pushing them would be like evaluating a new Viper by leisurely cruising around the neighborhood (looking cool.)

We eagerly await your brutal, candid review. You have already been spoiled by Gold Monitors, though...
post #5115 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

As part of your evaluation, make sure you play the Platinums at high level at times. As well as they resolve inner detail at low levels, they were made to do what not many speakers can do; sound great at high output. Not pushing them would be like evaluating a new Viper by leisurely cruising around the neighborhood (looking cool.)

We eagerly await your brutal, candid review. You have already been spoiled by Gold Monitors, though...

Would this advice be equally appropriate or my God inRooms as well?
post #5116 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

Would this advice be equally appropriate or my God inRooms as well?

Ah, the Freudian slip. biggrin.gif

I'm not advocating abuse, but a system should be played to 90% of it's limits a few times, just so you know what you have. Gold LCRs will play to healthy levels, too. And God LCRs will play to heavenly levels.
post #5117 of 6133
Officially part of the Triad club. My installer for our new house (who I ended up introducing to the brand as I laid out my design) processed my deposit last week and put in the order for a 7.2 living room all inwall (silver 6 LCR x 3, silver surround x 4, and bronze 6 sub x 2 with the rackamp 350s). Also will have 6 zones of audio through the house with 6 pairs of bronze in ceiling sealed rounds. I'll have to post pics of the front av wall I designed for it.
post #5118 of 6133
Typed that in haste on my ipad biggrin.gif, oh well.
thanks for the advise, I'm loving these speakers more and more every day!
Just got an Integra 80.3 used, and the seller forgot the mic so I haven't done any
eq in the room yet, and they still sound absolutely amazing.
Granted my room is small and I have some treatments.
I can only imagine the difference when the mic arrives.

cheers
post #5119 of 6133
Just a gratuitous pic of where the 6 Silver LCR's are going for surrounds............................

One big future bass trap...............

My theater build is DOA.....................what do you expect with a name like "The Coffin Build". Guess people are scared to meet their maker..................biggrin.gif

I'm not!! smile.gif

post #5120 of 6133
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Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post

Officially part of the Triad club. My installer for our new house (who I ended up introducing to the brand as I laid out my design) processed my deposit last week and put in the order for a 7.2 living room all inwall (silver 6 LCR x 3, silver surround x 4, and bronze 6 sub x 2 with the rackamp 350s). Also will have 6 zones of audio through the house with 6 pairs of bronze in ceiling sealed rounds. I'll have to post pics of the front av wall I designed for it.

I'm still amazed at how many good installers still aren't hip to Triad, even though Triad's been around for thirty years. confused.gif Hopefully, it will be a good experience for both of you, and he'll become a good dealer. They're not cheap, but high build quality and great sound quality in an American-made product will never be cheap. But at least Triad's "reasonable." The round speakers are imported, however. We tried designing and manufacturing them in Portland, but they were ridiculously costly and unprofitable. And please post pics!
post #5121 of 6133
post #5122 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Hey, Mike. InWall Bronze/8 LCRs work very well, and they're a good InCeiling choice for an LCR. You could use InCeiling Gold/8 Monitors like I'm using in my office, but they're almost as much as Gold LCRs, which will play at least 6 dB louder. If the joists run left to right, you could do three InCeiling Silver/6 Monitors, which are really good. They're $2,450 each.

Your second choice is almost what I had to do in my theater; three LCRs behind an AT screen, side surrounds in the ceiling, and rear surrounds in the ceiling. You have many more options with Triad InWalls if you don't go InCeiling. InWall Silver/4 or /6 LCRs are $900 each, and InWall Gold/6 LCRs (the motherlode) are $2,250 each. The "/6" designation indicates the amount of stud depth the speakers need to flush mount. With the advancements in AT screens, at this point it's the only way to go. My Screen Research electric is 7 years old, it looks great, and they've gotten better and cheaper.

More information that should have been included in the first round...

Room size will be 20'8" [or 22' depending on plan] x 14'6" . It is part of a 20'8 [or once again 22' option] x 30'4" open area [kitchen, dining and media/family room] with 9' ceiling.

The money seat will be about 16' from the screen. 12' wide 2.4 [2.37] scope.


Mike
post #5123 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post


I would say that assessment is dead-nuts on. My room is about the same size, and those are my observations, too, mostly. More later...
post #5124 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmiles View Post

More information that should have been included in the first round...

Room size will be 20'8" [or 22' depending on plan] x 14'6" . It is part of a 20'8 [or once again 22' option] x 30'4" open area [kitchen, dining and media/family room] with 9' ceiling.

The money seat will be about 16' from the screen. 12' wide 2.4 [2.37] scope.


Mike

I'm not sure what your budget is for front speakers, but 16' is pretty far away. Keep in mind that when you double the distance from the speaker, output goes down 6 dB. So if the speaker is playing at 105 dB at 1 meter, it's 99 dB at two meters, and 93 dB at 4 meters which is around 13'. Silver LCRs will work better, but that's a Gold LCR application if I've ever seen one. Also, approximately 6,000 cubic feet is what I would call a "big room." Bronze LCRs? Nu-uh.
post #5125 of 6133
I am in the process of designing my basement theater and have decided that I will be going w/ Triads. The theater will be long and narrow 29' x10' (8 foot ceiling) with ~ 4' of the length being behind an acoustically transparent screen. My current vision includes:

3 InRoom Silver LCRs
4 InWall Silver/4 Surrounds
2 SVS PC12-NSD Subwoofers

What type of receiver / separates should I be looking for to power the Triads properly? I have been looking at the Emotive UMC-200/UPA-700 combo and also the new Denon AVR-X4000, but it doesn't appear to be rated for 4 ohms. Utilization will be 95% movies / sports and 5% music.
Edited by kblee - 5/13/13 at 12:38pm
post #5126 of 6133
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Originally Posted by kblee View Post

I am in the process of designing my basement theater and have decided that I will be going w/ Triads. The theater will be long and narrow 29' x10' (8 foot ceiling) with ~ 4' of the length being behind an acoustically transparent screen. My current vision includes:

3 InRoom Silver LCRs
4 InWall Silver/4 Surrounds
2 SVS PC12-NSD Subwoofers

What type of receiver / separates should I be looking for to power the Triads properly? Utilization will be 95% movies / sports and 5% music.

Silver LCRs are fairly sensitive and they're not a difficult 4 ohm load, but they are 4 ohms. Any receiver that lists a power output spec into a 6 ohm load should work. The more power you get a 4 or 6 ohms over the 8 ohm rating, the better. That is an indicator of less current-limiting. Current-limiting emasculates receivers, and most separates, which are designed properly, don't use it. It's there to protect flimsy, under-spec'ed output stages from having "too much" current drawn through them. And look at the power rating with "all channels driven." If it drops from, say 120 watts per channel to 80 watts per channel, look at something else. Even though NAD is usually rated at a lower wattage, they work great. Also, Newcastle, Onkyo, Integra, Yamaha, Denon, and a few other receivers work okay. Inexpensive separates would still be a better way to go. JMHO.
post #5127 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Inexpensive separates would still be a better way to go. JMHO.

Looks like I edited my post while you were responding. So - the Emotiva combo would be adequate?
post #5128 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

I'm not sure what your budget is for front speakers, but 16' is pretty far away. Keep in mind that when you double the distance from the speaker, output goes down 6 dB. So if the speaker is playing at 105 dB at 1 meter, it's 99 dB at two meters, and 93 dB at 4 meters which is around 13'. Silver LCRs will work better, but that's a Gold LCR application if I've ever seen one. Also, approximately 6,000 cubic feet is what I would call a "big room." Bronze LCRs? Nu-uh.

Well 16 feet is pretty far but the screen is about 9' wide in 16:9 / 1.78 format so seating will be at least 14' [1.5 x screen width] back from the screen. So I tossed in a couple more feet...
post #5129 of 6133
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Originally Posted by kblee View Post

Looks like I edited my post while you were responding. So - the Emotiva combo would be adequate?

The Emotiva stuff works very well. I know I annoy dealers when I say that (because dealers don't sell it) but it is what it is. The stuff performs. I would suggest listening to your dealer for a comparable product, though.
post #5130 of 6133
Installing my InWall Gold/4 Surrounds (from mankite I think?).

The way they are labelled, the woofer should be up high and the smaller drivers down below?

I remember reading a few posts about this some time back but can't find them again. On the website they are pictured both ways.

Right now I have them installed at 52" from the floor to the bottom of the speaker, woofers on the bottom and the arrows on the labels labels pointing towards the screen ... but the left says right and the right says left :/

Any advice appreciated
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