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post #5131 of 6133
I have been tweaking my Gold inRoom LCRs in my little room (13x151/2x8)
Using an Integra 80.3 with a cinenova grand 5 amp.
I was floored by the Gold LCRs this afternoon!!! Ran Audessey XT32
And popped in Cloverfield and watched at -30db, very very respectable sound.
Then I figured "what the hell" put on Master and Commander and watched the whole thing at
-10.
I smiled and smiled and then smiled some more!
Could not be happier with these speakers.
I guess I am a believer.
post #5132 of 6133
I had a feeling those speakers would serve you better then a 2nd submersive. smile.gif
post #5133 of 6133
😀 When you're right you're right !
post #5134 of 6133
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Originally Posted by kblee View Post

I am in the process of designing my basement theater and have decided that I will be going w/ Triads. The theater will be long and narrow 29' x10' (8 foot ceiling) with ~ 4' of the length being behind an acoustically transparent screen. My current vision includes:

3 InRoom Silver LCRs
4 InWall Silver/4 Surrounds
2 SVS PC12-NSD Subwoofers

What type of receiver / separates should I be looking for to power the Triads properly? I have been looking at the Emotive UMC-200/UPA-700 combo and also the new Denon AVR-X4000, but it doesn't appear to be rated for 4 ohms. Utilization will be 95% movies / sports and 5% music.

I've been debating the same and am going with a similar Silver speaker set up. I think I am going to opt for the UMC-200, but instead of the UPA-700 I'm going to use a XPA-3 for the front LCR and 2 x XPA-200. One for each pair of surrounds. I think this matches up with the speakers very well and will be a much stronger matchup than the UPA-700. Wish Emo had an XPA-7, but I need to buy my gear before such a product will likely come into existence.
post #5135 of 6133
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Originally Posted by zoomin View Post


The way they are labelled, the woofer should be up high and the smaller drivers down below?

Yes this is the correct way. There needs to be some QC on the website and marketing materials.
post #5136 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Yzfbossman View Post

Yes this is the correct way. There needs to be some QC on the website and marketing materials.

OK, thanks.
post #5137 of 6133
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Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post

Wish Emo had an XPA-7, but I need to buy my gear before such a product will likely come into existence.

Their sister company, Sherbourn, has a 350 x 7 watts per channel model for about the same money you're planning to spend.
post #5138 of 6133
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Originally Posted by kblee View Post

Their sister company, Sherbourn, has a 350 x 7 watts per channel model for about the same money you're planning to spend.

All other things being equal, you will not hear a difference between 350 watts per channel and 200 watts per channel into Silver LCRs. And 100 watts per channel is puh-lenty for Silver Surrounds. One of the things I discussed with Dan Laufman (Emotiva) a few years ago was maybe a 7-channel amp that had three big channels and four smaller surround channels, like 300 x 3 + 150 x 4. I couldn't really get his attention on that concept, but I respect what he has done with his company.
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 5/14/13 at 6:08pm
post #5139 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

All other things being equal, you will not hear a difference between 350 watts per channel and 200 watts per channel into Silver LCRs. And 100 watts per channel is puh-lenty for Silver Surrounds. One of the things I discussed with Dan Laufman (Emotiva) a few years ago was maybe a 7-channel amp that had three big channels and four smaller surround channels, like 300 x 3 + 150 x 4. I couldn't really get his attention on that concept, but I respect what he has done with his company.

Wyred4sound has a few amps like this if one doesn't mind that type of amp technology.
post #5140 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

All other things being equal, you will not hear a difference between 350 watts per channel and 200 watts per channel into Silver LCRs. And 100 watts per channel is puh-lenty for Silver Surrounds. One of the things I discussed with Dan Laufman (Emotiva) a few years ago was maybe a 7-channel amp that had three big channels and four smaller surround channels, like 300 x 3 + 150 x 4. I couldn't really get his attention on that concept, but I respect what he has done with his company.

Paul, now that post has me scared that I'm over buying... smile.gif It was talking again with other reps at Triad that pushed me toward moving up to the XPA series from the UPA-700 for those speakers. Also when talking to the Emo reps, they suggested the same thing to shoot for roughly double the speaker rated power in an amp. I don't want to waste my money, but if I'm going to spend the money, I'd rather just spend it now on the XPA line up and be done rather than buying the UPA-700 and changing it out later.

Ugh, was at the house twice today and forgot to snap current pictures of the living room to post. Will do so tomorrow. At least after a few weeks of a full stop, we have major progress again with carpenters, painters, and countertop installers all doing their thing today!
post #5141 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mankite View Post


Excellent write up, Derek!

Thanks for taking the time to write it and sharing your thoughts.

Claude
post #5142 of 6133
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Originally Posted by JaremyP View Post

Paul, now that post has me scared that I'm over buying... smile.gif It was talking again with other reps at Triad that pushed me toward moving up to the XPA series from the UPA-700 for those speakers. Also when talking to the Emo reps, they suggested the same thing to shoot for roughly double the speaker rated power in an amp. I don't want to waste my money, but if I'm going to spend the money, I'd rather just spend it now on the XPA line up and be done rather than buying the UPA-700 and changing it out later.

Ugh, was at the house twice today and forgot to snap current pictures of the living room to post. Will do so tomorrow. At least after a few weeks of a full stop, we have major progress again with carpenters, painters, and countertop installers all doing their thing today!

Having way too much power is no problem, and I usually encourage it, because you'll never really use it all. And, if you do, you'll be making a warranty claim on your speakers. wink.gif I've found that the only downsides to big power are the occasional bonehead move, or an irresponsibly loud demo to impress friends. Common sense prevails, and you're okay. And when in doubt, buy the bigger amp!
post #5143 of 6133
Welcome to the product map Cinema Reference line.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/productmap/triad_tspc-a13vol23v1.pdf
post #5144 of 6133
Question for Paul and anyone else who's used Triad for this solution.

My office is prewired for in-ceiling speakers, and I'd like to get something a bit nicer than the standard round ceiling speakers we have in the rest of the home. The source is a distributed audio system, the Niles GRX2. It seems to be a good amp, and can easily accomodate 4-ohm loads. I have a Triad setup for my living room (3x Bronze LCR In-ceiling, 2x Bronze surround) that I love. I want to get some full-range speakers, low to average listening levels, with excellent clarity. But I don't want to spend a ton of money for speakers attached to a distributed source. I can center the rounds in the room, or install them closer to a wall to accomodate the 45 degree angled baffle designs (preferred). Lets say budget is in the $500-$1500, but I'd prefer not to max that out. Thanks in advance.
post #5145 of 6133
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

Question for Paul and anyone else who's used Triad for this solution.

My office is prewired for in-ceiling speakers, and I'd like to get something a bit nicer than the standard round ceiling speakers we have in the rest of the home. The source is a distributed audio system, the Niles GRX2. It seems to be a good amp, and can easily accomodate 4-ohm loads. I have a Triad setup for my living room (3x Bronze LCR In-ceiling, 2x Bronze surround) that I love. I want to get some full-range speakers, low to average listening levels, with excellent clarity. But I don't want to spend a ton of money for speakers attached to a distributed source. I can center the rounds in the room, or install them closer to a wall to accomodate the 45 degree angled baffle designs (preferred). Lets say budget is in the $500-$1500, but I'd prefer not to max that out. Thanks in advance.

Based on what you have said above, to me it sounds like you have already made up your mind (InCeiling Bronze 8/LCR). Put them in your ceiling closer to the walls, and they have the angled baffle to direct the sound to your listening position. The only negative is that they max out your price. To me, it would be money well spent. We have them in our showroom setup just like you want to, and they are remarkably good. Only problem is that we have the InWall Silver/4 LCR speakers in the same room, which I absolutely love.
post #5146 of 6133
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

Question for Paul and anyone else who's used Triad for this solution.

My office is prewired for in-ceiling speakers, and I'd like to get something a bit nicer than the standard round ceiling speakers we have in the rest of the home. The source is a distributed audio system, the Niles GRX2. It seems to be a good amp, and can easily accomodate 4-ohm loads. I have a Triad setup for my living room (3x Bronze LCR In-ceiling, 2x Bronze surround) that I love. I want to get some full-range speakers, low to average listening levels, with excellent clarity. But I don't want to spend a ton of money for speakers attached to a distributed source. I can center the rounds in the room, or install them closer to a wall to accomodate the 45 degree angled baffle designs (preferred). Lets say budget is in the $500-$1500, but I'd prefer not to max that out. Thanks in advance.

Based upon your needs, I would do a pair of InCeiling Silver/6 Sats. They have a bit more bass extension than Bronze LCRs (good), they don't play as loud (not needed here), they cost $500 each ($200 less than ICB/8 LCR), they don't require a subwoofer, and if you have the capability of boosting 4 dB @ 50 Hz and 3 dB @ 8 kHz, they'll sound like big speakers up to moderate volume levels. You could use Bronze LCRs, another good choice, but because they really like to be used with a sub, their spectral balance will be thinner without one than the Silver Sats without a sub. The Silver Sats use a 6.5" woofer/mid an a 1" dome tweeter, as opposed to two 5.25" woofer mids in the Bronze LCRs. The redesigned Silver Sat used to be called the Gold Omni. At moderate levels and below, you can get them to sound very big and detailed, especially if there is some EQ available.

Now, that said, if you're planning on using a subwoofer, I would do Bronze LCRs as a first choice.
post #5147 of 6133
So.............

If you were going to list the best match amplifiers for Gold LCR................what would those be?


wink.gif Checking to see if I'm an actual savvy shopper!


A Krell S-1500 will service 6 Silver LCR for surrounds...............but what for Golds? A "seudo microwave toaster?" I think not..................

I'll never get over Paul' comment.........................memorable.............
post #5148 of 6133
I use an AudioControl Savoy G3 for my setup including Gold LCRs. This Amp was recommended by Dennis when we thought my Outlaw Audio was giving me issues and I am very happy with it. Very attractive amp, reasonably priced and pushes the Golds as hard as I could imagine anyone pushing them. I like my movies loud and I have not even touched what this Amp will do.

I'm sure there are lots of options, but I would toss that one in for consideration.

Shan
post #5149 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Shan View Post

I use an AudioControl Savoy G3 for my setup including Gold LCRs. This Amp was recommended by Dennis when we thought my Outlaw Audio was giving me issues and I am very happy with it. Very attractive amp, reasonably priced and pushes the Golds as hard as I could imagine anyone pushing them. I like my movies loud and I have not even touched what this Amp will do.

I'm sure there are lots of options, but I would toss that one in for consideration.

Shan

It's good to know Audio Control amps work well with Gold LCRs. I did a show around eight years ago where we teamed up with Audio Control, and used Silver Monitors, and the system killed. In fairness, Outlaw amps deliver a lot of current, and they should work well, too. Dollar for dollar, I'd rather see budget separates used on Gold LCRs than a high-end receiver.
post #5150 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

So.............

If you were going to list the best match amplifiers for Gold LCR................what would those be?


wink.gif Checking to see if I'm an actual savvy shopper!


A Krell S-1500 will service 6 Silver LCR for surrounds...............but what for Golds? A "seudo microwave toaster?" I think not..................

I'll never get over Paul' comment.........................memorable.............

Did I say "pseudo" or "suede?" tongue.gif I did own an Acoustat TNT 200 that looked exactly like a toaster oven, and it ran almost as hot. You could use your Krell as a hibachi, too, but I wouldn't recommend it.

A lot of what you pay for in an amplifier can be in expensive metalwork (audio jewelry) or panache, or simply a name. I really prefer serious heavyweight amps that can drive a 2 ohm load and deliver enough current that you can arc weld with the speaker outputs. I am hesitant to list specific brands because I know I'll leave half of the good ones out, but my first choice for performance for the buck would be Parasound Halo. In a lower price range, I like Emotiva and Outlaw. I also like Classe, Adcom, NAD, McIntosh, Krell, Anthem, Theta Dreadnaught, Sunfire, Bryston, Audio Control, Crown, Crestron, Lyngdorf (my own choice, and maybe no longer available), and probably a dozen I can't recall. Try to determine what you're paying for, because sometimes it's not watts. For Gold LCRs in a demanding setting, I'd recommend an amp that can deliver 200-400 watts into 4 ohms. I've found that for Gold LCRs and Gold Monitors in my room, my 375-watt-per-channel @ 4 ohms Lyngdorf amps do the trick.

One caveat: Don't spend $8,000 on an amplifier for Gold LCRs, unless you already the amp. Upgrade to Platinums and do a cheaper amp. Sonic differences among amplifiers aren't nearly as great as the differences among speakers.
post #5151 of 6133
Thanks for your responses Paul and Noah. Noah, I would have gone for more Bronze LCRs if I could tie the system to a subwoofer at all, but I don't think it's possible with the distributed system. Paul, the Silver/6 Sat's seem perfect for the application. Of course part of me wants a set of Omni SE's now that I'm reading more on the company website, but I'm sure it costs a fair bit more and I won't be able to take advantage of it fully in that room with the electronics available to me.
post #5152 of 6133
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

Thanks for your responses Paul and Noah. Noah, I would have gone for more Bronze LCRs if I could tie the system to a subwoofer at all, but I don't think it's possible with the distributed system. Paul, the Silver/6 Sat's seem perfect for the application. Of course part of me wants a set of Omni SE's now that I'm reading more on the company website, but I'm sure it costs a fair bit more and I won't be able to take advantage of it fully in that room with the electronics available to me.

InCeiling Gold/8 Omni SE is $1,050 each, as opposed to $500 for the InCeiling Silver/6 Sat. They sound very similar and play about as loud, but detail is better on the SE. It uses the same tweeter that's in the >$2,000 Silver Monitors and Gold LCRs. I would think twice before upgrading for double the money to get a 10% improvement in sound...and then I would still buy the better speaker. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 5/20/13 at 9:53am
post #5153 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Did I say "pseudo" or "suede?" tongue.gif I did own an Acoustat TNT 200 that looked exactly like a toaster oven, and it ran almost as hot. You could use your Krell as a hibachi, too, but I wouldn't recommend it.

A lot of what you pay for in an amplifier can be in expensive metalwork (audio jewelry) or panache, or simply a name. I really prefer serious heavyweight amps that can drive a 2 ohm load and deliver enough current that you can arc weld with the speaker outputs. I am hesitant to list specific brands because I know I'll leave half of the good ones out, but my first choice for performance for the buck would be Parasound Halo. In a lower price range, I like Emotiva and Outlaw. I also like Classe, Adcom, NAD, McIntosh, Krell, Anthem, Theta Dreadnaught, Sunfire, Bryston, Audio Control, Crown, Crestron, Lyngdorf (my own choice, and maybe no longer available), and probably a dozen I can't recall. Try to determine what you're paying for, because sometimes it's not watts. For Gold LCRs in a demanding setting, I'd recommend an amp that can deliver 200-400 watts into 4 ohms. I've found that for Gold LCRs and Gold Monitors in my room, my 375-watt-per-channel @ 4 ohms Lyngdorf amps do the trick.

One caveat: Don't spend $8,000 on an amplifier for Gold LCRs, unless you already the amp. Upgrade to Platinums and do a cheaper amp. Sonic differences among amplifiers aren't nearly as great as the differences among speakers.

Thanks Paul,

Confirms my decision.........since I'm going to use Golds, I recently purchased a Parasound A31 for the LCR.
post #5154 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

InCeiling Gold/8 Omni SE is $1,050 each, as opposed to $500 for the InCeiling Silver/6 Sat. They sound very similar and play about as loud, but detail is better on the SE. It uses the same tweeter that's in the >$2,000 Silver Monitors and Gold LCRs. I would think twice before upgrading for double the money to get a 10% improvement in sound...and then I would still but the better speaker. rolleyes.gif

You are sinister biggrin.gif If I had a dedicated little amp and processor, I'd go up the the Gold SE's, but I think I'll stick with the Silver Sat. Thanks again for the advice!
post #5155 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Thanks Paul,

Confirms my decision.........since I'm going to use Golds, I recently purchased a Parasound A31 for the LCR.

The Parasound A31, at 250 watts x three into 8 ohms and 400 watts into four ohms, is very possibly the best amp for three Triad Gold LCRs. I can't see spending more than that and getting even a smidgen better performance.

You done good, boy. cool.gif
post #5156 of 6133
For a few years, I used a Parasound HCA-3500 with a pair of Platinums, and the combo was stupendous. 500 watts per channel suits the Platinums just fine. HELLO?? WHAT DID YOU SAY??
post #5157 of 6133
Here's a picture of the newest Triad product, the $1,100 OnWall Mini Sat 3.0. If it isn't up on the website yet, it will be shortly. The standard model is 44" wide, making it suitable for all 50" flatscreens. Custom widths up to 66" wide are available in 1/4" increments for a $350 charge. Those who have heard it say it plays pretty loud with great clarity and good spectral balance. It actually has some bass for a speaker 2-7/8" deep.


Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 5/21/13 at 6:04am
post #5158 of 6133
Anyone know the prices for the following?

OnWall MicroLCR 3.0
InCeiling Mini SealedRound
InCeiling Bronze SealedRound
InCeiling Silve SealedRound
InCeiling Silver DT SealedRound

Also, if I want to use them for rear surrounds, which of the four sealedrounds would you recommend?

Thanks!
post #5159 of 6133
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Originally Posted by prnoct90 View Post

Anyone know the prices for the following?

OnWall MicroLCR 3.0 $1,000
InCeiling Mini SealedRound $300 each
InCeiling Bronze SealedRound $350 each
InCeiling Silve SealedRound $400 each
InCeiling Silver DT SealedRound $500 each

Also, if I want to use them for rear surrounds, which of the four sealedrounds would you recommend?

Thanks!

Retail prices added in the above quote. As far as which to use for surround, we would need more specifics about the installation, room, seating position, amplifier, acoustics, etc. Go with the Silver if you can. Consider the DT version if the room is acoustically dead and the surrounds are close to the listeners' ears.
post #5160 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Retail prices added in the above quote. As far as which to use for surround, we would need more specifics about the installation, room, seating position, amplifier, acoustics, etc. Go with the Silver if you can. Consider the DT version if the room is acoustically dead and the surrounds are close to the listeners' ears.

Here is a mockup of my room. It is about 10' by 10'. I would consider the foot of the bed to be my main listening area. The receiver is a marantz 1504. Accoustic? I dont know much about that but 8 feet from floor to ceiling, hardwood floors with no carpet.

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