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Originally Posted by Dawn Gordon View Post

Back in the mid 80's I had this huge Adcom integrated amp and separate tuner. My audiophile friend told me to try NAD. So he brought over this smallish little grey box -- very unimposing. We replaced the Adcom amp and, it was like, Wow! The music just opened up, detail warmth, etc. I had NAD in my home for a quite a while after that.

Later on, at a press event, I met then NAD President, Peter Tribeman. He told me some great stories about double blind tests with NAD stuff and other more expensive fare.

Back in the '80s? Then that was likely the famous NAD 3020 integrated amp. The 3020 and 4020 tuner were my first real audio system.
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Can anyone recommend an xlr splitter ie. take one signal channel and split it into two.

I have two rows of side surrounds and at this time I need to split the side channels............I'm planning on using DSP in the near future to deal with time delay, distance etc. Just looking for a temporary fix.
post #5283 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Can anyone recommend an xlr splitter ie. take one signal channel and split it into two.

I have two rows of side surrounds and at this time I need to split the side channels............I'm planning on using DSP in the near future to deal with time delay, distance etc. Just looking for a temporary fix.


Don't know if this will help with your search ..... http://www.amazon.com/PACK-FEMALE-Y-CABLE-SPLITTER-Y301/dp/B004UJHTEM


~ Mike
post #5284 of 6133
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Originally Posted by 65Goat View Post

Don't know if this will help with your search ..... http://www.amazon.com/PACK-FEMALE-Y-CABLE-SPLITTER-Y301/dp/B004UJHTEM


~ Mike

Thanks..........

but I need female to dual male...........just looking for quality connectors that I can count on.
post #5285 of 6133
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Originally Posted by NCCaniac View Post

Back in the '80s? Then that was likely the famous NAD 3020 integrated amp. The 3020 and 4020 tuner were my first real audio system.

You have a great memory, I believe it was the 3020 !
post #5286 of 6133
Recommended amp wattage for using 6 Silver in-walls for surround?
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post #5288 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Recommended amp wattage for using 6 Silver in-walls for surround?

Personal preference aside, I would do something that delivers more power into 4 ohms than into 8 ohms; probably 150-250 watts into 4 ohms. You can go bigger, but you won't use the extra power. And if you do, you will most likely be making a warranty claim. I would also recommend an 80 Hz crossover to the surrounds, or even 100 Hz if you will be blasting the system. Audyssey may tell you "40 Hz" or "50 Hz" but ignore that advice. It will compromise power handling.

Actually, two XPA3s would work very well, especially for the money.
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 7/1/13 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Personal preference aside, I would do something that delivers more power into 4 ohms than into 8 ohms; probably 150-250 watts into 4 ohms. You can go bigger, but you won't use the extra power. And if you do, you will most likely be making a warranty claim. I would also recommend an 80 Hz crossover to the surrounds, or even 100 Hz if you will be blasting the system. Audyssey may tell you "40 Hz" or "50 Hz" but ignore that advice. It will compromise power handling.

Actually, two XPA3s would work very well, especially for the money.

Thanks.........

I have the Krell S-1500 which is 150 watts into 8 ohms and 300 watts into 4ohms. Sounds like a perfect match........but my problem is, I have the silver version and am converting my rack to black. Given rack space is only 32 ru's.............I'm thinking of selling the Krell and finding a 7 channel in black. Those Emotiva's take a lot of rack space..............and adding two creates a rack invasion. I'm set with the Gold's since I went with an A-31.........

Thanks Craig John and Paul
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First of all thank you in advance for this thread. It has been helpful. It has influenced my decision to purchase Triad speakers. Just purchased a new home and this will be a family room theater. 65 inch plasma on Wall over fireplace with the remainder of the wall glass to the outside. The home is prewired for ceiling speakers. The room is 18'wide by 25 feet deep and the seating is located about 16' behind the screen. 1/2 of room is partially exposed to the kitchen which is another 16 feet wide.

The receiver is a Yamaha RX-V773 and the Zone 2 speakers (Definitive Technology AW5500) are hooked up to the outside patio. This requires a 5.1 setup in the big room and the room is prewired for ceiling speakers.

I am looking to install the ceiling speakers and was considering the InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR vs the InCeiling silver or Gold/8 Omni SE. Moreover, I am unsure what rear ceiling speakers would best complement those speakers. I will need a subwoofer and am open to recommendations. The subwoofer would probably be inroom and not ceiling.

Thank you all in advance for your recommendations. I am located in central California (about 40 miles south of Fresno) and not sure of the appropriate dealer. If anyone could recommend a dealer it will be greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by cvstev View Post

First of all thank you in advance for this thread. It has been helpful. It has influenced my decision to purchase Triad speakers. Just purchased a new home and this will be a family room theater. 65 inch plasma on Wall over fireplace with the remainder of the wall glass to the outside. The home is prewired for ceiling speakers. The room is 18'wide by 25 feet deep and the seating is located about 16' behind the screen. 1/2 of room is partially exposed to the kitchen which is another 16 feet wide.

The receiver is a Yamaha RX-V773 and the Zone 2 speakers (Definitive Technology AW5500) are hooked up to the outside patio. This requires a 5.1 setup in the big room and the room is prewired for ceiling speakers.

I am looking to install the ceiling speakers and was considering the InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR vs the InCeiling silver or Gold/8 Omni SE. Moreover, I am unsure what rear ceiling speakers would best complement those speakers. I will need a subwoofer and am open to recommendations. The subwoofer would probably be inroom and not ceiling.

Thank you all in advance for your recommendations. I am located in central California (about 40 miles south of Fresno) and not sure of the appropriate dealer. If anyone could recommend a dealer it will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for considering Triad. They will actually work better than anything in the ceiling of a room like yours because of the quality, but mostly because of the angled baffle which aims the speakers at the listening area.

Your receiver is only moderately powerful, rated at 95 watts per channel in 2-channel mode. It is encouraging to see that "dynamic power" into 4 ohms is 180 watts, but that specification is somewhat specious. Yamaha does make solid receivers, though, and it will work.

Your best choice of front ceiling speaker in the Triad line is the InCeiling Silver/6 Monitor, at $2,450 each, and the ceiling joists must run left to right; not front to back. If that kills the budget, the InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR at $700 is probably your best bet. The sound quality of the InCeiling Gold/8 Omni SE ($1,050 each) is excellent, but sensitivity is probably too low for use as an LCR, unless you will never turn the system up beyond a moderate level. So that probably leaves the very good inceiling version of the Bronze LCR.

I would have to see a room diagram with seating positions to recommend a surround, but the room looks like it will be quite live, and dipoles may exacerbate that. In any event, in a 5.1 system, surrounds have to be placed next to the seating area, slightly behind it, but not directly behind the seating area. They need to flank the seats. If you have to go with inceiling speakers, you could do a pair of InCeiling Silver/6 Sats at $500 each, and install them so they face inward at a 45-degree angle, aimed at the listening area.

That's a large room, and two smaller subs would work best, but if you have to do only one, I like the output-per-dollar of the InRoom Silver OmniSub at $950.

Contact Paul Greiner and ask him which dealer he recommends. Tell him I gave you his contact information. http://www.triadspeakers.com/howtobuy/usamapfolder/repslist/paulfitzpatrick.html If you don't hear back from this busy man in a reasonable amount of time, let me know through a PM.

Just FYI, I retired two years ago from 15 years as Director of Sales & Marketing at Triad, and I have no authority, but I try to help. I guess I'm an "unpaid spokesperson." wink.gif
post #5292 of 6133
Thank you Paul. I greatly appreciate your prompt response and your detailed recommendation. I sent an e-mail to Paul G. and I look forward to his response.
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Thanks for considering Triad. They will actually work better than anything in the ceiling of a room like yours because of the quality, but mostly because of the angled baffle which aims the speakers at the listening area.

Your receiver is only moderately powerful, rated at 95 watts per channel in 2-channel mode. It is encouraging to see that "dynamic power" into 4 ohms is 180 watts, but that specification is somewhat specious. Yamaha does make solid receivers, though, and it will work.

Your best choice of front ceiling speaker in the Triad line is the InCeiling Silver/6 Monitor, at $2,450 each, and the ceiling joists must run left to right; not front to back. If that kills the budget, the InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR at $700 is probably your best bet. The sound quality of the InCeiling Gold/8 Omni SE ($1,050 each) is excellent, but sensitivity is probably too low for use as an LCR, unless you will never turn the system up beyond a moderate level. So that probably leaves the very good inceiling version of the Bronze LCR.

I would have to see a room diagram with seating positions to recommend a surround, but the room looks like it will be quite live, and dipoles may exacerbate that. In any event, in a 5.1 system, surrounds have to be placed next to the seating area, slightly behind it, but not directly behind the seating area. They need to flank the seats. If you have to go with inceiling speakers, you could do a pair of InCeiling Silver/6 Sats at $500 each, and install them so they face inward at a 45-degree angle, aimed at the listening area.

That's a large room, and two smaller subs would work best, but if you have to do only one, I like the output-per-dollar of the InRoom Silver OmniSub at $950.

Contact Paul Greiner and ask him which dealer he recommends. Tell him I gave you his contact information. http://www.triadspeakers.com/howtobuy/usamapfolder/repslist/paulfitzpatrick.html If you don't hear back from this busy man in a reasonable amount of time, let me know through a PM.

Just FYI, I retired two years ago from 15 years as Director of Sales & Marketing at Triad, and I have no authority, but I try to help. I guess I'm an "unpaid spokesperson." wink.gif

I am going to go with your recommendation Paul. I truly appreciate your advice. In the ceiling, toward the front (screen) I plan to use Bronze LCR on the left and right and I have the ability to mount a center under the TV. What would be the most appropriate center to match the others? Thank you.
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Originally Posted by cvstev View Post

I am going to go with your recommendation Paul. I truly appreciate your advice. In the ceiling, toward the front (screen) I plan to use Bronze LCR on the left and right and I have the ability to mount a center under the TV. What would be the most appropriate center to match the others? Thank you.

One of the biggest advantages of Triad over other speakers is the various versions of the same speaker, with the same performance. The Bronze LCR comes in an InRoom, InCeiling, InWall, and OnWall. Choose what fits your application, but use a Bronze LCR to match the left and right speakers.
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I have two InWall Bronze Subs but only one bronze amp. Wondering if I can use a Silver amp instead?


Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

I have two InWall Bronze Subs but only one bronze amp. Wondering if I can use a Silver amp instead?


Thanks!!

The issue is not the size of the amplifier; it's the impedance of the woofers. You have to use a separate amp for each sub because the drivers are 4 ohms. Two of them would yield a 2 ohm load, which will shut the amp down.
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Can anyone recommend an xlr splitter ie. take one signal channel and split it into two.

I have two rows of side surrounds and at this time I need to split the side channels............I'm planning on using DSP in the near future to deal with time delay, distance etc. Just looking for a temporary fix.

When you are ready for the DSP, take a look at the MiniDSP 10x10HD: http://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-10x10-hd
You would need a calibrated mic and measurement software to be able to set this up. REW would work nicely.
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

The issue is not the size of the amplifier; it's the impedance of the woofers. You have to use a separate amp for each sub because the drivers are 4 ohms. Two of them would yield a 2 ohm load, which will shut the amp down.

Paul - thanks, I didn't explain that very well. I meant could I use the Bronze amp I already have for one of my Bronze subs and get another Silver amp and use for my second Bronze sub? Or even some other Triad amp other than the Bronze amp? (I am having trouble locating anyone selling a Bronze amp but have found one or two people selling Silver or "250W Rack Amp" 's.)

Thank you-
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I placed an order for my Gold Monitors and Minimonitors a few weeks ago and have felt like a kid on the night before Christmas ... wanting them to hurry up and arrive. Well they arrived today - biggrin.gif - and I'm in the process of unpacking and setting up. Sorry for the quality of the picture, but hopefully some better ones will be shared later.




~ Mike
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Congrats! Looking forward to your review.
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congratulations !!!
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

Paul - thanks, I didn't explain that very well. I meant could I use the Bronze amp I already have for one of my Bronze subs and get another Silver amp and use for my second Bronze sub? Or even some other Triad amp other than the Bronze amp? (I am having trouble locating anyone selling a Bronze amp but have found one or two people selling Silver or "250W Rack Amp" 's.)

Thank you-

You can't use an old Silver amp on an old (or new) Bronze sub. The limiting and EQ is totally different, and it won't sound right. The most obvious thing you'll notice is a lack of low bass. Also, the limiter won't kick in until well after the woofer is bottoming out. I suggest buying a new RackAmp 350 DSP, which will work great. It's about twice as powerful as the old RackAmp 250.
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Originally Posted by 65Goat View Post

I placed an order for my Gold Monitors and Minimonitors a few weeks ago and have felt like a kid on the night before Christmas ... wanting them to hurry up and arrive. Well they arrived today - biggrin.gif - and I'm in the process of unpacking and setting up. Sorry for the quality of the picture, but hopefully some better ones will be shared later.




~ Mike

Nice! What veneer did you get, and do the speakers have nice grain? I wish mine were in red rosewood, actually, but maybe next time.

You need to set up a pair of the Gold MiniMonitors in a full-range stereo system with no sub in a small venue and give them a listen. They sound exquisite.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

When you are ready for the DSP, take a look at the MiniDSP 10x10HD: http://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-10x10-hd
You would need a calibrated mic and measurement software to be able to set this up. REW would work nicely.

Thanks Mike....................
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Nice! What veneer did you get, and do the speakers have nice grain? I wish mine were in red rosewood, actually, but maybe next time.

You need to set up a pair of the Gold MiniMonitors in a full-range stereo system with no sub in a small venue and give them a listen. They sound exquisite.

Hi Paul - I have to admit that I'm not very original when it comes to the veneer - after seeing Cajun_Mike's images of his red rosewood veneer (on page 4 of this thread) I was hooked. When my order had been placed thru my installer there were a few phone calls back and forth regarding the finish and whether I needed samples sent to me to authorize. I spoke with Bill (@ Triad) and told him that he didn't need to send me any samples if he could duplicate what they had done with the Gold LCR's on page 4. What I didn't realize was that the images on page 4 had a lot of camera flash which 'brightened' up the veneer - so when I opened the first box I was a little surprised that the finish was darker than I had expected. But after getting everything out of the boxes both my wife and I are extremely pleased with the red rosewood veneer. We will be redoing our floors soon and the finish on the speakers will be helping us determine the flooring finish.

As for trying the minimonitors in a 2-channel venue, we do have a 2.1 system in our living room and I may just take the minimonitors for a test drive with that system.

More to come.

~ Mike
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Originally Posted by 65Goat View Post

I placed an order for my Gold Monitors and Minimonitors a few weeks ago and have felt like a kid on the night before Christmas ... wanting them to hurry up and arrive. Well they arrived today - biggrin.gif - and I'm in the process of unpacking and setting up. Sorry for the quality of the picture, but hopefully some better ones will be shared later.




~ Mike

Boy am I envious!

I would have given my left "nut" to have used Gold Monitors in my theater!!

Btw, can I say "nut" on AVS with out getting in trouble?eek.gif
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Okay, can the posters (or Paul!) help by Monday morning? We need to order by tuesday, and need to firm this install up...

The room will be carpeted, but no additional sound dampening in the walls. The Soffit surrounds the room and will be where we will install speakers. We will retrofit the speakers in the soffit if if necessary by re-framing. The room sucks acoustically as it is not treated and opens up to the kitchen (as shown).

Thank you in advance for the help. We are trying to keep to a budget on this install (Silvers and bronze); and the listening should be characterized by 99 percent movies and television, and should be CLEAR at low listening levels as the wife is constantly saying "turn it down". Clarity at low levels...please...

Also, would a denon X4000 be appropriate? Since we are going with a Savant integration, we need (want) to stay in the world or Denon or Marantz. Also, we can "squeeze" it in the rack, so may go marantz separates? Or is an AVR 4520 okay? Again, thoughts from that product line would be great.

The thought would be to go with (but we are open to hearing more info!):

Fronts: InWall Silver/6 LCR

Surrounds: InWall Bronze/4 Surround

Rears: InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR (pointed directly down to put the sound directly behind the couch/listening area)

The subs will be low in the walls as indicated on opposite corners of the room, and we're looking at going with the Episode Dual 8 inch woofers, which are a great price and sound really good to the listener:

http://www.episodespeakers.com/product/45/Episode-SUB-Series-In-Wall-with-Dual-8-inch-Woofers with a 500 watt amp that will drive both.

Room Schematics:



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post #5308 of 6133
Looks good. I would bring the rears closer together till they are about 2'-3' apart. Also bring the left and right a little closer together. What are you doing about the center channel?
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ifor:

We are mounting the center in the soffit as well. Not ideal, but allows flexibility of the tv and furniture under it.

Thoughts on the speakers themselves?
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Hi , we are currently building our new showroom in Panama City , Panama , wich is going to have a small theater , (10.5 ft x 15,5 ft), and two different living areas. The theater speakers would be Inwall Gold LCR, with Inwall Silver Surrounds on the sides and back, and 4 inwall bronze 6 subs. The room was designed by Gerry Lemay from Quest AI, (Thanks to Triad for recommending him), so it would be fully treated. We are also displaying the new sound bar Onwall mini sat 3.0, with a pair of incealing silver open round for surround, and one of the new inwall slim bronze subs. We also have some custom designed version of the bronze slim sub being design at triad so we can offer them to our clients as our basic sub on all projects. Triad has been a great partner and supplier for our business in Panama, and they really make high quality products. here are some pics.Ill post more as progress goes.*
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