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post #5311 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

You can't use an old Silver amp on an old (or new) Bronze sub. The limiting and EQ is totally different, and it won't sound right. The most obvious thing you'll notice is a lack of low bass. Also, the limiter won't kick in until well after the woofer is bottoming out. I suggest buying a new RackAmp 350 DSP, which will work great. It's about twice as powerful as the old RackAmp 250.

Paul, all,

Does anyone know if I could use this "RackAmp 250" with my InWall Bronze sub?

Here is the link: http://*******/13DXbZA

Thanks in advance for the help-
post #5312 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

Paul, all,

Does anyone know if I could use this "RackAmp 250" with my InWall Bronze sub?

Here is the link: http://*******/13DXbZA

Thanks in advance for the help-

Not sure if that other link worked, please try this one:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=161014038969

Trying to see if this one will work for my InWall Bronze sub.
Or, if there are other amps that work with this would be grateful for some advice on what to do here. I have two Bronze subs but only one Bronze amp so I am looking for a second amp for the second sub.
post #5313 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Okay, can the posters (or Paul!) help by Monday morning? We need to order by tuesday, and need to firm this install up...

The room will be carpeted, but no additional sound dampening in the walls. The Soffit surrounds the room and will be where we will install speakers. We will retrofit the speakers in the soffit if if necessary by re-framing. The room sucks acoustically as it is not treated and opens up to the kitchen (as shown).

Thank you in advance for the help. We are trying to keep to a budget on this install (Silvers and bronze); and the listening should be characterized by 99 percent movies and television, and should be CLEAR at low listening levels as the wife is constantly saying "turn it down". Clarity at low levels...please...

Also, would a denon X4000 be appropriate? Since we are going with a Savant integration, we need (want) to stay in the world or Denon or Marantz. Also, we can "squeeze" it in the rack, so may go marantz separates? Or is an AVR 4520 okay? Again, thoughts from that product line would be great.

The thought would be to go with (but we are open to hearing more info!):

Fronts: InWall Silver/6 LCR

Surrounds: InWall Bronze/4 Surround

Rears: InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR (pointed directly down to put the sound directly behind the couch/listening area)

The subs will be low in the walls as indicated on opposite corners of the room, and we're looking at going with the Episode Dual 8 inch woofers, which are a great price and sound really good to the listener:

http://www.episodespeakers.com/product/45/Episode-SUB-Series-In-Wall-with-Dual-8-inch-Woofers with a 500 watt amp that will drive both.

Room Schematics:



The installer today recommended going with the Bronze 4 LCR inwall for the side surrounds instead of the dipole surrounds because the room is way too active already; and the inceiling mini/8 LCR (pointing down) for the rears.

Also, they are significantly smaller and will fit better with the room and match (almost) better with the rears architecturally.

Thoughts?
Edited by jed peters - 7/8/13 at 9:05am
post #5314 of 6133
Aesthetically, I would keep the surrounds and rears the same to keep the square cut out the same. The size is a little different but won't be discernible when finished.

You also could use the same speakers for the surrounds and the rears, like the Bronze/8 Sat speakers. It goes from a 14" to a 11" cut-out, so that will be smaller. In fact, that is what I would recommend, the couch is around 3' from the speaker and having the rears and surrounds firing down will help to broaden the listening area. With the money you save, you could get the Triad Bronze/5 subs.
post #5315 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

Not sure if that other link worked, please try this one:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=161014038969

Trying to see if this one will work for my InWall Bronze sub.
Or, if there are other amps that work with this would be grateful for some advice on what to do here. I have two Bronze subs but only one Bronze amp so I am looking for a second amp for the second sub.

Appreciate anyone's thoughts on this as I am getting close to installation time. Thank you.
post #5316 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

Not sure if that other link worked, please try this one:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=161014038969

Trying to see if this one will work for my InWall Bronze sub.
Or, if there are other amps that work with this would be grateful for some advice on what to do here. I have two Bronze subs but only one Bronze amp so I am looking for a second amp for the second sub.

That amp will work, if it's in proper operating condition. And no other amp will be close because sub amps are tailored for specific driver/enclosure systems, with specific EQ and limiting.
post #5317 of 6133
Thank you Paul; guess the Bronze amp is choice 1 and the RackAmp 250 choice 2, or the new 350 DSP you recommended but that will cost quite a bit more.
Thanks again-
post #5318 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Mflo Soldier View Post

Thank you Paul; guess the Bronze amp is choice 1 and the RackAmp 250 choice 2, or the new 350 DSP you recommended but that will cost quite a bit more.
Thanks again-

The 250 and 350 are totally different designs. The difference is not just in power output. The 250 is actually around 210 watts into 4 ohms, and it's a Class AB design that runs hot when pushed for long periods of time. It will go into thermal protection and shut off when it gets too hot, and when it cools it will turn on again. The 350 is an honest 350 watts, and the circuit topology is "sort of" Class D (it's a BASH amplifier), and it shares the strengths of Class AB and the strengths of Class D (cool running, efficient.) I just wanted to make sure you weren't just looking at watts. I'm using two old RackAmp 250s in secondary locations, and they're bombproof.
post #5319 of 6133
Paul--what are your thoughts on the room I presented above?

We ordered yesterday, but went with the mini in ceiling LCR for the rear.

We also added 3x mini LCR in ceiling for the bedroom and rear silver sealed rounds for the bedroo!

Thanks,

Jed
post #5320 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Paul--what are your thoughts on the room I presented above?

We ordered yesterday, but went with the mini in ceiling LCR for the rear.

We also added 3x mini LCR in ceiling for the bedroom and rear silver sealed rounds for the bedroo!

Thanks,

Jed

The room looks great, and although the acoustics will be somewhat live, it should sound very good, too. Speaker placement is fine. You should know that a sealed subwoofer that is -6 dB at 30 Hz is flat only down to 45 Hz, making it a woofer; not a subwoofer. The Episode system will give you no deep bass. You can order two Triad Bronze DSP or Bronze SlimSubs that will work on a single amplifier, if you specify you need two 8 ohm enclosures, BTW. Bass is flat to 30 Hz. It's my feeling that bass is the wrong place to try to save money, especially in a larger room, and once you install them inwall, you're pretty much stuck.

Run the crossover frequency at 120 Hz for the surround speakers to increase headroom. If the system will *never* be played loud, lower that to 100 Hz. Ignore what your receiver tells you your crossover to the surrounds should be. Use 80 Hz for the fronts. Keep us updated on the installation. Everything looks great so far.
post #5321 of 6133
Paul, what specifically do you recommend for deeper bass, in wall subs for that room?

And the bedroom? In wall or in ceiling preferred....
post #5322 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Paul, what specifically do you recommend for deeper bass, in wall subs for that room?

And the bedroom? In wall or in ceiling preferred....

I'm waiting to hear back from Triad on some specifics so I can give you all the options. This may take a day. Some Triad subwoofers can be ordered in 8 ohm versions so you can double up on an amp, which is what you may want to do in your theater, but it won't be necessary in the bedroom. I'll get back to you as soon as I get some accurate information. Thanks.

BTW, even the Bronze DSP Sub and Bronze SlimSub from Triad are flat to 30 Hz, and the -3 dB is at a low 26 Hz. Same for the InCeiling Mini/8 sub. It's nice to have some impact in the bass, even at moderate playback levels.
post #5323 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Paul--what are your thoughts on the room I presented above?

We ordered yesterday, but went with the mini in ceiling LCR for the rear.

We also added 3x mini LCR in ceiling for the bedroom and rear silver sealed rounds for the bedroo!

Thanks,

Jed

Why the Mini/8 LCR instead of the Bronze/8 Sat for the surrounds and rears? Or did you go with them just for the rears, what about the surrounds?
The Bronze/8 Sat goes lower and is the same sensitivity.
post #5324 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

I'm waiting to hear back from Triad on some specifics so I can give you all the options. This may take a day. Some Triad subwoofers can be ordered in 8 ohm versions so you can double up on an amp, which is what you may want to do in your theater, but it won't be necessary in the bedroom. I'll get back to you as soon as I get some accurate information. Thanks.

BTW, even the Bronze DSP Sub and Bronze SlimSub from Triad are flat to 30 Hz, and the -3 dB is at a low 26 Hz. Same for the InCeiling Mini/8 sub. It's nice to have some impact in the bass, even at moderate playback levels.

Thanks Paul. I ordered 2x InWall Bronze/6 subs in 8ohm with one amp for living room, and one InWall Bronze/6 and amp for master bedroom.

This is what I ordered:

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwb6sub.html

Let me know if I screwed up...
post #5325 of 6133
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Originally Posted by ifor View Post

Why the Mini/8 LCR instead of the Bronze/8 Sat for the surrounds and rears? Or did you go with them just for the rears, what about the surrounds?
The Bronze/8 Sat goes lower and is the same sensitivity.


Two installers suggested lcr all around...I don't know why those and not the sats.

Maybe Paul can chime in?

Btw, Paul...I see you are into bicycles...my wife won the first stage of the women's tour of Utah back when they let women ride in like 07 and wore the leaders jersey the next couple stages.....
post #5326 of 6133
Called Triad Tech Support and they confirmed what you said--that if you go with the Bronze/6 Inwall you can configure in an 8ohm output, and this will give you the ability to run off the one amp.

It's not listed in literature or website, but the option DOES exist on that model (along with the inceiling Mini/8 and the SlimSub/4.

House full of triad...the other 9 zones are going to be sad they have crappy speakercraft distributed audio! Ha!
post #5327 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Thanks Paul. I ordered 2x InWall Bronze/6 subs in 8ohm with one amp for living room, and one InWall Bronze/6 and amp for master bedroom.

This is what I ordered:

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwb6sub.html

Let me know if I screwed up...

No, you "done good." wink.gif

For the record, You can special order two 8 ohm Bronze SlimSubs, InCeiling Mini/8 Subs, or Bronze DSP Subs to double up on a single RackAmp 350 DSP. The amp sees a 4 ohm load, which it likes. If you already own any of these subs, they are most surely 4 ohms, so you can't order another one to use a pair on a single amp. Pumpin' more wattage into your cottage!
post #5328 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jed peters View Post

Two installers suggested lcr all around...I don't know why those and not the sats.

Maybe Paul can chime in?

LCRs may play a bit louder than Sats, but their dispersion pattern is narrower. Either will work, but I have to defer to an installer who has seen the room.
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Btw, Paul...I see you are into bicycles...my wife won the first stage of the women's tour of Utah back when they let women ride in like 07 and wore the leaders jersey the next couple stages.....

I raced for 20 years, and I'm still a Category 2, but a bad back forced me out of racing in 2007. I won six state championships, as recently as 2002. Your wife must be very fit!
post #5329 of 6133
I'm building a dedicated theater in a new house and have selected Triad Silvers for the front - 2 in-room Sivers for L/R, and 1 in-wall Silver/4 center behind a 120" AT screen. My room is about 17.5' long by 14' wide, with one 12" riser and 7 seats. I'll have dual SVS PC-12 NSD powered subs in the front corners underneath the in-room Silvers and Klipsch S-10 surrounds and rear surrounds.

My plan is to use a new Denon X4000 AVR to drive the entire 7.2 speaker array. It's rated at 125 watts/channel. My 56 year old ears won't take huge volume levels, so I figured the Denon has plenty of muscle to do what I need it to do.

But these 4 ohms Triad Silvers give me pause. Will I need a separate amp to drive them?
post #5330 of 6133
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'm building a dedicated theater in a new house and have selected Triad Silvers for the front - 2 in-room Sivers for L/R, and 1 in-wall Silver/4 center behind a 120" AT screen. My room is about 17.5' long by 14' wide, with one 12" riser and 7 seats. I'll have dual SVS PC-12 NSD powered subs in the front corners underneath the in-room Silvers and Klipsch S-10 surrounds and rear surrounds.

My plan is to use a new Denon X4000 AVR to drive the entire 7.2 speaker array. It's rated at 125 watts/channel. My 56 year old ears won't take huge volume levels, so I figured the Denon has plenty of muscle to do what I need it to do.

But these 4 ohms Triad Silvers give me pause. Will I need a separate amp to drive them?

Should be fine, based on what you posted.
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post #5331 of 6133
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'm building a dedicated theater in a new house and have selected Triad Silvers for the front - 2 in-room Sivers for L/R, and 1 in-wall Silver/4 center behind a 120" AT screen. My room is about 17.5' long by 14' wide, with one 12" riser and 7 seats. I'll have dual SVS PC-12 NSD powered subs in the front corners underneath the in-room Silvers and Klipsch S-10 surrounds and rear surrounds.

My plan is to use a new Denon X4000 AVR to drive the entire 7.2 speaker array. It's rated at 125 watts/channel. My 56 year old ears won't take huge volume levels, so I figured the Denon has plenty of muscle to do what I need it to do.

But these 4 ohms Triad Silvers give me pause. Will I need a separate amp to drive them?

I agree with Mike. You should be okay. Not all speaker loads are the same, and a 4 ohm Silver LCR is a lot easier to drive than a 4 ohm Gold LCR, which requires something that can drive 3 ohms.
post #5332 of 6133
^^^Thanks fella's. That's as I hoped. Want to keep things as simple (and inexpensive) as I can.
post #5333 of 6133
Just another casual visit to Triad's Corporate office.................

Look at what's in the meeting room............





You know..................these are HUGE speakers..............and would have loved to have a listen. I wonder if lunch time involves airing out the Cinema References..............
post #5334 of 6133
I have a couple of pairs of triad silver surround inwall/4s that I bought userd. Does anyone have any pictures or details as to how these should be installed into the wall or the ceiling?

Is there a separate bracket that I need or a DIY way to mount them?

Thanks,
Jim
post #5335 of 6133
I am thinking of buying a set of used Gold inroom LCRs (the smaller older version) from a seller on ebay
how do they compare to the newer versions which i own and use in my basement theater.
These would be used in my living room along with two outlaw LFM-1 plus's
and a B&K amp
area is around 11x16x8.

Paul if you have any thoughts i would be most interested.

thanks
post #5336 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jimmyk36 View Post

I have a couple of pairs of triad silver surround inwall/4s that I bought userd. Does anyone have any pictures or details as to how these should be installed into the wall or the ceiling?

Is there a separate bracket that I need or a DIY way to mount them?

Thanks,
Jim



Hi Jim,

I'm using 6 LCR Silver in-wall 4's for surround...........the in-wall 4 surround can't be that much different. Mine are mounted in 3/4" plywood columns. We just used the supplied cut out and used the toggles to attach. Very sturdy system Triad has..........the best in-wall system I've seen. Very easy to install............and a very well thought out, strong attaching system. Just make your cut out 1/8" wider than your box.........and you're good to go....ie. screw tight the upper and lower toggles and then place grill guard to finish. Very simple system........
post #5337 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Just another casual visit to Triad's Corporate office.................

Look at what's in the meeting room............





You know..................these are HUGE speakers..............and would have loved to have a listen. I wonder if lunch time involves airing out the Cinema References..............

They had those on display at CEDIA last year, but not hooked up to anything so that I could listen. Hoping to be able to hear them this year. smile.gif
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post #5338 of 6133
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

They had those on display at CEDIA last year, but not hooked up to anything so that I could listen. Hoping to be able to hear them this year. smile.gif

What I found interesting upon examination.............the Heil folded ribbon was quite large..........much larger than some of the upperend Adam Audio gear I've seen ie. Columns.

The Heil tweeter has come a long ways.................the detail is exquisite with some of the high end Adam speakers I've heard! Wonder what these sound like?
post #5339 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post



Hi Jim,

I'm using 6 LCR Silver in-wall 4's for surround...........the in-wall 4 surround can't be that much different. Mine are mounted in 3/4" plywood columns. We just used the supplied cut out and used the toggles to attach. Very sturdy system Triad has..........the best in-wall system I've seen. Very easy to install............and a very well thought out, strong attaching system. Just make your cut out 1/8" wider than your box.........and you're good to go....ie. screw tight the upper and lower toggles and then place grill guard to finish. Very simple system........

Cool - Thanks for the info!

Jim
post #5340 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

I am thinking of buying a set of used Gold inroom LCRs (the smaller older version) from a seller on ebay
how do they compare to the newer versions which i own and use in my basement theater.
These would be used in my living room along with two outlaw LFM-1 plus's
and a B&K amp
area is around 11x16x8.

Paul if you have any thoughts i would be most interested.

thanks

At this juncture, I would pass on buying Classic Gold LCRs, unless they're at a yard sale price. They were wonderful speakers, but they were introduced twenty years ago, and the drivers are no longer available. They are unrepairable. The old ones don't compare to the current Gold LCRs. They're closer to Bronze LCRs, which, BTW, is what I'd recommend you do in your living room, especially if you're on a budget. They're quite good.
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