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Originally Posted by jimmyk36 View Post

I have a couple of pairs of triad silver surround inwall/4s that I bought userd. Does anyone have any pictures or details as to how these should be installed into the wall or the ceiling?

Is there a separate bracket that I need or a DIY way to mount them?

Thanks,
Jim

Look for a manual on the website www.triadspeakers.com. Installation is pretty straightforward, though. You cut the hole using the speaker as a template (or make a template), loosely attach the frame (I hope you have the screws), place the speaker into the wall, and extend the four metal installation brackets that are on the speaker. Tighten the screws so the sheetrock is sandwiched between the speaker and the frame. Carefully install the grill insert, and you're done.
post #5342 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

What I found interesting upon examination.............the Heil folded ribbon was quite large..........much larger than some of the upperend Adam Audio gear I've seen ie. Columns.

The Heil tweeter has come a long ways.................the detail is exquisite with some of the high end Adam speakers I've heard! Wonder what these sound like?

Triad is not using an actual Heil ribbon, but the design is essentially the same. This is a premium version that goes deeper and handles more power. It's at least the equal of the Scan-Speak R-29 used in the Gold Monitor, and it's even more sensitive than that 94.5 dB tweeter.
post #5343 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

At this juncture, I would pass on buying Classic Gold LCRs, unless they're at a yard sale price. They were wonderful speakers, but they were introduced twenty years ago, and the drivers are no longer available. They are unrepairable. The old ones don't compare to the current Gold LCRs. They're closer to Bronze LCRs, which, BTW, is what I'd recommend you do in your living room, especially if you're on a budget. They're quite good.


Thanks Paul
I did not get them after all, someone outbid me and I have to say, I'm kind of relieved!
Appreciate your insights.
post #5344 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jimmyk36 View Post

Cool - Thanks for the info!

Jim

If helpful starting about post #23 in my thread we discussed mounting/installation questions as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472261/triads-in-my-basement-rec-room-project-help-help-help-would-love-your-advice/30#post_23544017

~ Mflo Soldier
post #5345 of 6133
Ok..............what's wrong with me?

I'm in my room watching movies without audio? Yup.........it's that good.........when I get my cables, sub, and one missing rack shelf/plate........I'll be in heaven. wink.gif



Well.........I am old..........maybe I'm preparing myself for deafness. biggrin.gif

Can't wait to hear how the Triads complete the room..............
post #5346 of 6133
A/v/automation installers working today on my setup. Finishing touches today on a 13 month new construction build. Living room is the Traid set I've posted about previously. 3 silver 6 LCR up front, 2 bronze 6 subs below, and 4 silver surrounds in the ceiling. Will be another few days though before we actually can fire it up.



post #5347 of 6133
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I've pre-wired for two subs in front side columns..........ie. 12 gauge speaker wire. Two bronze in-wall subs were spec-ed in front side columns for leveling, but am thinking Silver Cinema Plus subs might have more output and would fit in the back row columns..............

So........the question is.............do the Bronze/Silver subs work with 12 gauge wiring or RCA connects? If not........I'm then looking for alternatives.
post #5348 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Question:

I've pre-wired for two subs in front side columns..........ie. 12 gauge speaker wire. Two bronze in-wall subs were spec-ed in front side columns for leveling, but am thinking Silver Cinema Plus subs might have more output and would fit in the back row columns..............

So........the question is.............do the Bronze/Silver subs work with 12 gauge wiring or RCA connects? If not........I'm then looking for alternatives.

It will depend. If you get plate amp subs then you need RCA. Rack amp version the speaker wiring from the sub to the amp (which is normally located at the rack with the rest of your gear)
post #5349 of 6133
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

It will depend. If you get plate amp subs then you need RCA. Rack amp version the speaker wiring from the sub to the amp (which is normally located at the rack with the rest of your gear)

Rack amps are in the cards...............so it seems I'm ok. Fortunate for me, I've prepared for the worst and wired every column for sub placement..........ie. 12 gauge speaker wire for rack mount amp.

Tony..............I'm real happy I went with the 1000! wink.gif
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You should be! Great projector for the money!

Which subs are you thinking for the columns? I'm thinking about doing the same thing...
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

You should be! Great projector for the money!

Which subs are you thinking for the columns? I'm thinking about doing the same thing...

I have two choices...........

Front row columns are 6" deep so they would accept the in-wall Bronze.............Triad in-wall bronze subs were spec-ed in my design.

The second option is using the rear row columns and use Silver Cinema Plus subs which are 9'' deep.......my rear columns have HVAC vents and are 12'' deep.........so no problemo.!

Ok............there could be a third option............put Bronze and Cinema Plus subs in all columns!! biggrin.gif

I'll be taking possession of an S2 here shortly.................
post #5352 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I have two choices...........

Front row columns are 6" deep so they would accept the in-wall Bronze.............Triad in-wall bronze subs were spec-ed in my design.

The second option is using the rear row columns and use Silver Cinema Plus subs which are 9'' deep.......my rear columns have HVAC vents and are 12'' deep.........so no problemo.!

Ok............there could be a third option............put Bronze and Cinema Plus subs in all columns!! biggrin.gif

I'll be taking possession of an S2 here shortly.................

Option 3 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I have two choices...........

Front row columns are 6" deep so they would accept the in-wall Bronze.............Triad in-wall bronze subs were spec-ed in my design.

The second option is using the rear row columns and use Silver Cinema Plus subs which are 9'' deep.......my rear columns have HVAC vents and are 12'' deep.........so no problemo.!

Ok............there could be a third option............put Bronze and Cinema Plus subs in all columns!! biggrin.gif

I'll be taking possession of an S2 here shortly.................

Do Silver CinemaPlus subs instead of Bronze subs if you can. And remember when you calibrate the system, any smaller subs have to be calibrated lower because they won't keep up with the big stuff. For example, if I had two Bronze subs in a system that had two Platinum subs, I'd calibrate the Bronze subs down at least 6 dB, and I would also high pass them at 40 Hz. Just my humble opinion.
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Do Silver CinemaPlus subs instead of Bronze subs if you can. And remember when you calibrate the system, any smaller subs have to be calibrated lower because they won't keep up with the big stuff. For example, if I had two Bronze subs in a system that had two Platinum subs, I'd calibrate the Bronze subs down at least 6 dB, and I would also high pass them at 40 Hz. Just my humble opinion.

Paul - Curious...

I get the 40hz high pass for the bronze but why calibrate down 6db? You referring to the Plat subs?
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Paul - Curious...

I get the 40hz high pass for the bronze but why calibrate down 6db? You referring to the Plat subs?

A Bronze sub will play to around 109 dB, and a Platinum can play as high as 122 dB. If you calibrate a combination of Bronze and Platinum subs in the same manner, your system will be limited in output by the Bronze subs. They become the weak link. The Bronze subs can't keep up with the Silver, Gold, or Platinum subs. At a level where the Platinums are just starting to slam, the Bronze subs, if calibrated the same, will be distressed.

Note: I found more current max SPL numbers for the subs, and changed my post.
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 7/28/13 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I have two choices...........

Front row columns are 6" deep so they would accept the in-wall Bronze.............Triad in-wall bronze subs were spec-ed in my design.

The second option is using the rear row columns and use Silver Cinema Plus subs which are 9'' deep.......my rear columns have HVAC vents and are 12'' deep.........so no problemo.!

Ok............there could be a third option............put Bronze and Cinema Plus subs in all columns!! biggrin.gif

I'll be taking possession of an S2 here shortly.................

My first choice would be to place a pair of Cinema Plus silvers in the back two columns.
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post #5357 of 6133
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

My first choice would be to place a pair of Cinema Plus silvers in the back two columns.

That is the direction I'm leaning..............

I don't have the option of moving the subs around..............DSP will have to get it done. Will see how the S2 works.........measure room response.......and then correct ie. pick up two Cinema Plus subs.
post #5358 of 6133
Paul,

The OnWall and InWall Silver surrounds use different woofers? From the pictures online they look different. Just curious as to why?
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Has anyone compared Triad silvers to higher sensitivity speakers?
I am building a 3000 cu ft theater and am stuck between doing a 7.1 triad silver setup or a 7.1 JTR Noesis 228 setup. The Triad LCR are only 89db whereas the Jtrs are 98 db.
Will the lower sensitivity Triads lack the dynamics for my space?
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I would think street price of a Triad Gold LCR would be closer to a JTR Noesis (for L/C/R). Also depends on your "sensitivity" to schedule as the JTR has a backlog .. tongue.gif
post #5361 of 6133
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Originally Posted by tbraden32 View Post

Paul,

The OnWall and InWall Silver surrounds use different woofers? From the pictures online they look different. Just curious as to why?

Some of the pictures may be antiquated. Any Triad InWall Surround uses the same drivers as the OnWall version, despite what the pictures look like.
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Originally Posted by Decelerate View Post

Has anyone compared Triad silvers to higher sensitivity speakers?
I am building a 3000 cu ft theater and am stuck between doing a 7.1 triad silver setup or a 7.1 JTR Noesis 228 setup. The Triad LCR are only 89db whereas the Jtrs are 98 db.
Will the lower sensitivity Triads lack the dynamics for my space?

I came real close to purchasing the Noesis 212's..................but when reality set in, there was no way I was going to use their full capacity. In addition, I felt the Triads were much better sounding at moderate to high levels ie. quality of sound. Obviously, the Noesis can go much louder than most of Triad' lineup....................but why would you want too? It all came down to my own application..............

Don't get me wrong, the Noesis 212's are fantastic speakers, but I felt the Triad Golds were more to my liking.................go hear the differences yourself............and don't go by what others say.
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I came real close to purchasing the Noesis 212's..................but when reality set in, there was no way I was going to use their full capacity. In addition, I felt the Triads were much better sounding at moderate to high levels ie. quality of sound. Obviously, the Noesis can go much louder than most of Triad' lineup....................but why would you want too? It all came down to my own application..............

Don't get me wrong, the Noesis 212's are fantastic speakers, but I felt the Triad Golds were more to my liking.................go hear the differences yourself............and don't go by what others say.

Allow me to go off on a tangent here, and please, don't anyone take this the wrong way. There is a place for high-efficiency systems. I actually own one; a JBL 1,000-watt powered speaker that is rated at 135 dB at 1 meter. I use it for my Roland electronic drums, and I can get them louder than my Sonor/Zildjian acoustic set. eek.gif

You may recall I've said many times that, in my opinion, the Triad Platinum LCR is the only speaker that will play that loud and sound that good. I still believe that. The reason this is an issue is it's much harder to get high-efficiency speakers to sound as good as proper speakers that are rated at 87 dB to 94 dB. There seems to be a real trade-off. There are many reasons for this, and I'm not going into them here, but if the maximum level you'll ever play your system at is 110 dB, you probably don't need a system that plays to 135 dB. And chances are very good that the 135 dB speaker doesn't sound as good. My JBL works great for my drums because there are times when it will be used in bigger rooms, or even outside, and a Triad system (although it would sound better it wouldn't play loud enough for the application. But my JBL's definitely not high fidelity. Choosing a speaker is all about application.

A common technique used by hi-fi salespersons is to do an A/B comparison between two speakers. With the levels not matched, you will ALWAYS prefer the louder speaker, even though it may not be as accurate. This is why my demos were always done with levels of the two speakers matched. A speaker that was preferred without level matching usually lost once the levels were made the same. I always experienced the same puzzled look on customers' faces when they heard the 98 dB speaker they liked best level matched with a really good 90 dB speaker. Often I was accused of "funny business" because on a level playing field, the louder speaker no longer sounded better. This isn't to say that high-sensitivity speakers always sound worse, but quite often it's the case. Pro speakers generally sound worse, too. A band's P.A. system makes a lousy stereo, as I discovered 40 years ago when I hooked up my Voice of the Theater speakers to my home stereo. They were so harsh they could peel paint.

Many high-efficiency designs sound very good, and I'll give kudos to Seaton Sound, JTR, Wisdom, and a few others. And in a larger room or when playback at the money seat has to be 120 dB, they're generally going to work better than Triad. It all depends upon the application and the budget. And in a venue where a high-horsepower speaker is needed, the expectations of the fidelity have to be tempered a bit.

I defer to the wisdom of the doublewing here. His observations are correct.
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Originally Posted by Decelerate View Post

Has anyone compared Triad silvers to higher sensitivity speakers?
I am building a 3000 cu ft theater and am stuck between doing a 7.1 triad silver setup or a 7.1 JTR Noesis 228 setup. The Triad LCR are only 89db whereas the Jtrs are 98 db.
Will the lower sensitivity Triads lack the dynamics for my space?

I'm another one who listened to the JTR Noesis 212s and the Seaton Cats at the NE GTG, and ultimately decided to purchase the Triad Gold LCRs for my front stage. Initially, I was interested in the Seaton Cats, however, decided that I did not want to change the infrastructure of my room (transition from a passive setup already wired to an active setup, as well as, requirements for additional 20 amp circuit lines). I came real close to pulling the trigger on a Noesis 228 system until experiencing a demo of the Triad Gold LCRs. I emotionally connected to the sound quality of the Gold LCRs and in my 3,700 cubic ft. room, I was not convinced I was going to use the entire output capability of the Noesis 228s. I found the Gold LCRs to be very smooth sounding with a more refined (warmer) mid-range when compared to the Noesis. Don't get me wrong. The Noesis is the cleanest sounding speaker I've ever listened to, providing unbelievable clarity (which most be great for HT), however, I enjoyed listening to the Gold LCR more and to my ears the Gold LCR presents a more fuller sound for great dialogue with movies.

I agree you should try to demo both speakers prior to making a purchase.
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

I'm another one who listened to the JTR Noesis 212s and the Seaton Cats at the NE GTG, and ultimately decided to purchase the Triad Gold LCRs for my front stage. Initially, I was interested in the Seaton Cats, however, decided that I did not want to change the infrastructure of my room (transition from a passive setup already wired to an active setup, as well as, requirements for additional 20 amp circuit lines). I came real close to pulling the trigger on a Noesis 228 system until experiencing a demo of the Triad Gold LCRs. I emotionally connected to the sound quality of the Gold LCRs and in my 3,700 cubic ft. room, I was not convinced I was going to use the entire output capability of the Noesis 228s. I found the Gold LCRs to be very smooth sounding with a more refined (warmer) mid-range when compared to the Noesis. Don't get me wrong. The Noesis is the cleanest sounding speaker I've ever listened to, providing unbelievable clarity (which most be great for HT), however, I enjoyed listening to the Gold LCR more and to my ears the Gold LCR presents a more fuller sound for great dialogue with movies.

I agree you should try to demo both speakers prior to making a purchase.

Yeah, a demo would be ideal. I will definitely try to track down some o f these speakers. It sounds like quite a few of you guys are happy with the Gold LCR in a HT environment. The Golds might be stretching my budget as I would like to do 7 speakers (in room) for around 7k. The silvers would definitely fit my budget constraints, but it does not look like many people use these for HT.
Edited by Decelerate - 8/3/13 at 5:58pm
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Decelerate - Where are you located?
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I am in Hampton Roads.
post #5368 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

I'm another one who listened to the JTR Noesis 212s and the Seaton Cats at the NE GTG, and ultimately decided to purchase the Triad Gold LCRs for my front stage. Initially, I was interested in the Seaton Cats, however, decided that I did not want to change the infrastructure of my room (transition from a passive setup already wired to an active setup, as well as, requirements for additional 20 amp circuit lines). I came real close to pulling the trigger on a Noesis 228 system until experiencing a demo of the Triad Gold LCRs. I emotionally connected to the sound quality of the Gold LCRs and in my 3,700 cubic ft. room, I was not convinced I was going to use the entire output capability of the Noesis 228s. I found the Gold LCRs to be very smooth sounding with a more refined (warmer) mid-range when compared to the Noesis. Don't get me wrong. The Noesis is the cleanest sounding speaker I've ever listened to, providing unbelievable clarity (which most be great for HT), however, I enjoyed listening to the Gold LCR more and to my ears the Gold LCR presents a more fuller sound for great dialogue with movies.

I agree you should try to demo both speakers prior to making a purchase.

Nice comment...............

Would also like to add....................

I really, really, really wanted to use Gold Monitors for my room.................but application of the Gold Monitors was not suitable to the size of my room. I demo-ed both the Gold Monitors and Gold LCR's right after my demo of the Noesis 212's at RMK's house. I came to the conclusion I wanted Gold Monitors, but Gold LCR's made more sense. It wasn't a budgetary concern............but more of a, "what is the best speaker" for my application.

On a side note.........yeah, I would have wanted Plats.......................but that's another story.
Edited by doublewing11 - 8/4/13 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Nice comment...............

Would also like to add....................

I really, really, really want to use Gold Monitors for my room.................but application of the Gold Monitors was not suitable to the size of my room. I demo both the Gold Monitors and Gold LCR's right after my demo of the Noesis 212's at RMK's house. I came to the conclusion I wanted Gold Monitors, but Gold LCR's made more sense. It wasn't a budgetary concern............but more of a, "what is the best speaker" for my application.

On a side note.........yeah, I would have wanted Plats.......................but that's another story.


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I always did wonder why that guy in the Maxell ad had his beverage of choice sitting on a Martin Logan Dynamo sub. biggrin.gif
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