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post #5551 of 6133
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

As Paul said, pillars need to be addressed. You can be within 2" of the EN4K screen without any noticeable issues.

That all depends upon whether them there pillars are filled with foam or goose feathers. I need me some new pillars, too...
post #5552 of 6133
I tore apart my mattress and pillows. I could only fit half of my mattress inside of the two pillars. I turns out I just tore apart the pillows for the heck of it. Boy is my wife going to be mad when she gets home. I've already set up the hammock in the garage.biggrin.gif
post #5553 of 6133
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Originally Posted by at4iowa View Post

I tore apart my mattress and pillows. I could only fit half of my mattress inside of the two pillars. I turns out I just tore apart the pillows for the heck of it. Boy is my wife going to be mad when she gets home. I've already set up the hammock in the garage.biggrin.gif

I've found that this is one of a few things you can blame on the dog.
post #5554 of 6133
Anyone hear the Triad/Datasat demo at Cedia. Curious what people thought of it.
post #5555 of 6133
Craig Peer from AVS said it was very good when I talked to him tonight at the avs party. I'll check it out tomorrow for sure.
post #5556 of 6133
Hi,

I was wondering if using InWall Omni Gold/SE mounted in a ceiling was a good option for a long and narrow bathroom for music only where I do not want to direct sound toward any particular listening position (vs using InCeiling with 45 degree baffle) or if anyone had a different suggestion?
post #5557 of 6133
I would use the Triad Silver DT Open Round for your bathroom.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/icsordt.html
post #5558 of 6133
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Anyone hear the Triad/Datasat demo at Cedia. Curious what people thought of it.

I have a mini review here - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1491994/cedia-attendees-please-report-here/60#post_23784316

I thought they sounded outstanding. It's pretty hard to go wrong with Triad speakers IMO. Combined with the DataSat pre / pro / amps, it was a killer setup.
post #5559 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Dawn Gordon View Post

I would use the Triad Silver DT Open Round for your bathroom.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/icsordt.html

As usual, Dawn is correct.
post #5560 of 6133
With the OnWall Gold Surrounds, is the woofer supposed to be on the top or the bottom when mounted - or either? It shows it both ways on the web site.

Thanks.
post #5561 of 6133
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Originally Posted by bambam View Post

With the OnWall Gold Surrounds, is the woofer supposed to be on the top or the bottom when mounted - or either? It shows it both ways on the web site.

Thanks.

I believe on the bottom if you look at the sides of the onwall surrounds they have an arrow on each speaker with the direction it should be pointing at the screen indicating the left and right speaker which places the larger woofer on the bottom. I am not sure if it matters one way or another as i don't have mine setup yet.
post #5562 of 6133
Either way as long as the arrow is pointing towards the screen or display.

It might also depend on the height of your surrounds.
post #5563 of 6133
It does mostly depend on the distance from the tweeters to your ears. I seem to remember that around 30" was the best location for the tweeters. I'm sure Paul can explain this better.
post #5564 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

I have a mini review here - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1491994/cedia-attendees-please-report-here/60#post_23784316

I thought they sounded outstanding. It's pretty hard to go wrong with Triad speakers IMO. Combined with the DataSat pre / pro / amps, it was a killer setup.

Another reference to CEDIA and Triad Gold Monitors made here ... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1493472/audio-demos-at-cedia-2013

Sounds like they didn't set it up properly.

~ Mike
post #5565 of 6133
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Originally Posted by 65Goat View Post

Another reference to CEDIA and Triad Gold Monitors made here ... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1493472/audio-demos-at-cedia-2013

Sounds like they didn't set it up properly.

~ Mike

"...the sound quality was superb."

It sounds to me as if they calibrated the woofers too hot, and then played the system too loud; a typical rookie mistake at trade shows.
post #5566 of 6133
I am planning on replacing the in-walls in my home theater (which are builder-grade cheapos) with Triad in-walls. As part of that process - I am trying to correct placement mistakes made by the builder on the original install. I have attached an image that shows a view looking directly at my left surround. If I go with something like a Silver or Bronze 4 In-Wall Surround - should I be moving that speaker more towards the rear of the theater - i.e. more behind that rear row? If it helps - the front of the seat of the rear row seating is just showing on the lower left of the image. Sorry for the noob question - but I want to make sure those speakers are positioned where they should be - and if I have to move them back - now is the time while I am replacing them smile.gif

Thanks!
post #5567 of 6133
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Originally Posted by srjinatl View Post

I am planning on replacing the in-walls in my home theater (which are builder-grade cheapos) with Triad in-walls. As part of that process - I am trying to correct placement mistakes made by the builder on the original install. I have attached an image that shows a view looking directly at my left surround. If I go with something like a Silver or Bronze 4 In-Wall Surround - should I be moving that speaker more towards the rear of the theater - i.e. more behind that rear row? If it helps - the front of the seat of the rear row seating is just showing on the lower left of the image. Sorry for the noob question - but I want to make sure those speakers are positioned where they should be - and if I have to move them back - now is the time while I am replacing them smile.gif

Thanks!

It appears you have two rows of seating. I would move the surround location back around three feet, or directly between the two rows. Also consider doing rear surrounds at some point. Use the "side" surround output on your receiver for the sides. If you order Bronze or Silver Surrounds (from a local dealer), make sure you submit a paint sample to match your walls. That option of custom paint is free.
post #5568 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

It appears you have two rows of seating. I would move the surround location back around three feet, or directly between the two rows. Also consider doing rear surrounds at some point. Use the "side" surround output on your receiver for the sides. If you order Bronze or Silver Surrounds (from a local dealer), make sure you submit a paint sample to match your walls. That option of custom paint is free.

Paul - thanks for the reply - I should have mentioned - I do have a 7.2 system now - there are rears on that back wall as well - because that back row is right up against that rear wall - the advice I have gotten which seems to be corroborated with everything I have read on this and other forums - was to also use either the Bronze or Silver Surrounds for those as well. I will do as you suggest for the sides and move those to where they are halfway between those two rows.

One other thing I am not sure about - how much separation should I have between those rears? The room is just at 15 feet wide...and I think the builder has them too far apart now - so that is likely another thing I need to fix.
post #5569 of 6133

Hi,

 

Thanks for all the great information in this thread. I want to use an In-Wall Silver/15 Sub in my family room but I'm not sure it will fit. The width is listed at 14" but the ad copy says it designed to fit between 16" on center studs. I'd like to put it in the floor and my joists are just at 14.5. Will that be enough room with the mounting bracket?

 

Thanks,

 

Michael

post #5570 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmcc View Post

Hi,

Thanks for all the great information in this thread. I want to use an In-Wall Silver/15 Sub in my family room but I'm not sure it will fit. The width is listed at 14" but the ad copy says it designed to fit between 16" on center studs. I'd like to put it in the floor and my joists are just at 14.5. Will that be enough room with the mounting bracket?

Thanks,

Michael

I would call Triad at 800 666 6316 and ask to make sure. It'll be close, and you may have to do a small amount of custom routing to fit your non-standard spacing. There is also a FlexSub version of the Silver DSP Sub, and it's meant to be mounted remotely with a flexible tube terminating in a much, much smaller grill. Check it out on the Triad website.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/sflexsub.html
post #5571 of 6133

Hi, Paul. I am familiar with the FlexSub but it's a fairly large room (2600 cubic feet) and I thought it might perform slightly less well than the Silver/15. I was also hoping to put the price difference towards upgrading from Bronze LCRs to Silver. I will definitely double check with Triad to make sure it will fit.

 

Thanks again,

 

Michael

 

 

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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post


I would call Triad at 800 666 6316 and ask to make sure. It'll be close, and you may have to do a small amount of custom routing to fit your non-standard spacing. There is also a FlexSub version of the Silver DSP Sub, and it's meant to be mounted remotely with a flexible tube terminating in a much, much smaller grill. Check it out on the Triad website.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/sflexsub.html
post #5572 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmcc View Post

Hi,

Thanks for all the great information in this thread. I want to use an In-Wall Silver/15 Sub in my family room but I'm not sure it will fit. The width is listed at 14" but the ad copy says it designed to fit between 16" on center studs. I'd like to put it in the floor and my joists are just at 14.5. Will that be enough room with the mounting bracket?

Thanks,

Michael

16" OC is 16" from center to center which leaves an opening of 14.5" between the joists. Did you measure 14.5" between the joists? if so you are fine.
post #5573 of 6133
I have a few questions about Triad Cinema Plus subs.
First does anyone know if they are available to purchase without buying the whole room system?
If so does anyone have the specs for this sub along with what amp Triad recommends?
I am looking for an in-wall subwoofer solution for my 2500 cubic foot home theater and was thinking that maybe these may be the answer to mate with my in-wall Triad Gold LCR's.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
post #5574 of 6133
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Originally Posted by razz589 View Post

I have a few questions about Triad Cinema Plus subs.
First does anyone know if they are available to purchase without buying the whole room system?
If so does anyone have the specs for this sub along with what amp Triad recommends?
I am looking for an in-wall subwoofer solution for my 2500 cubic foot home theater and was thinking that maybe these may be the answer to mate with my in-wall Triad Gold LCR's.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

The CinemaPlus subs are available separately. For specs on the CinemaPlus that's based on the Silver DSP Sub, just go to the Triad website and look at the specs of any Silver Sub. The driver and enclosure volume are identical. They can only be used with the RackAmp 600 from Triad. All sealed subs have specific EQ, limiting, and software needs, which are fulfilled with the RackAmp 600. Sealed subs' frequency response always drops at a rate of 12 dB/octave below the resonant frequency, which is around 60 Hz on all Triad subs. To get flat response to 20 Hz, there is a specific EQ curve. Also, the amp provides the proper limiting and crossover/slope options. It's a must, not an option. For Gold LCRs, I'd recommend at least two CinemaPlus subs, and maybe even three. Two will play loud enough, but three or four will reduce excursion for the same output, providing solid, distortionless, scary bass. You can actually get away with one of these subs if you don't play the system above 100 dB at the listening location, but I don't recommend that. Your Triad dealer can supply pricing; it doesn't show up on my sheet. I believe it's a bit over $2,000 (including the amp), but check with your dealer.
Edited by Paul Scarpelli - 10/12/13 at 3:33pm
post #5575 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

The CinemaPlus subs are available separately. For specs on the CinemaPlus that's based on the Silver DSP Sub, just go to the Triad website and look at the specs of any Silver Sub. The driver and enclosure volume are identical. They can only be used with the RackAmp 600 from Triad. All sealed subs have specific EQ, limiting, and software needs, which are fulfilled with the RackAmp 600. Sealed subs' frequency response always drops at a rate of 12 dB/octave below the resonant frequency, which is around 60 Hz on all Triad subs. To get flat response to 20 Hz, there is a specific EQ curve. Also, the amp provides the proper limiting and crossover/slope options. It's a must, not an option. For Gold LCRs, I'd recommend at least two CinemaPlus subs, and maybe even three. Two will play loud enough, but three or four will reduce excursion for the same output, providing solid, distortionless, scary bass. You can actually get away with one of these subs if you don't play the system above 100 dB at the listening location, but I don't recommend that. Your Triad dealer can supply pricing; it doesn't show up on my sheet. I believe it's a bit over $2,000 (including the amp), but check with your dealer.
Thanks Paul for the Info

Paul,
Thanks for the info.
So these are one sub per amp?
Do the amps draw much AC current.?
I currently have one 20 amp and one 15 amp circuit to my rack and if I put in multiple Rackamp 600's along with 2 Parasound halo amps I am thinking that I may need another circuit.
Also how hard is it to setup say 3 or 4 of these subs into a system? I guess what I am looking at is the connectivity to the pre-pro, eq, etc...?
post #5576 of 6133
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Originally Posted by razz589 View Post

Thanks Paul for the Info

Paul,
Thanks for the info.
So these are one sub per amp?
Do the amps draw much AC current.?
I currently have one 20 amp and one 15 amp circuit to my rack and if I put in multiple Rackamp 600's along with 2 Parasound halo amps I am thinking that I may need another circuit.
Also how hard is it to setup say 3 or 4 of these subs into a system? I guess what I am looking at is the connectivity to the pre-pro, eq, etc...?

You can only use one amp per sub, or the impedance will be too low and the amp will go into thermal protection. Also, it won't deliver much power into 2 ohms. Theoretical current draw means nothing because you'll never have all your amps at clipping at the same time. I have a single 20 amp dedicated line to my theater, and 4,000 watts of amplifiers. I've never popped the circuit. With two circuits, you won't either.

Check with the manufacturer of your pre/pro for the best way to run multiple subs. Some pre/pros, like my Integra, allow for two subs. You can use a "y" connector to run more than one sub per output, but make sure it won't run the impedance down too low. It's usually not an issue.
post #5577 of 6133
I am considering picking up a pair of used InRoom gold mini-monitors. I may want to expand on this pair later for multi-channel.

Has the design of the tweeter/mid/crossovers or even the appearance changed since they were first introduced? If so, what year? I suppose I can get the serial #'s and call Triad but thought I might ping this thread first.

Second question, I plan to place the monitors about 8 inches from the wall -- will I be defeating the great sound of the InRoom minimonitors?

Third, are there any new OnWall minimonitors planned using the MDF enclosures?

Thanks,
Jeff
Edited by jjcook - 10/24/13 at 8:38pm
post #5578 of 6133
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Originally Posted by jjcook View Post

I am considering picking up a pair of used InRoom gold mini-monitors. I may want to expand on this pair later for multi-channel.

Has the design of the tweeter/mid/crossovers or even the appearance changed since they were first introduced? If so, what year? I suppose I can get the serial #'s and call Triad but thought I might ping this thread first.

Second question, I plan to place the monitors about 8 inches from the wall -- will I be defeating the great sound of the InRoom minimonitors?

Third, are there any new OnWall minimonitors planned using the MDF enclosures?

Thanks,
Jeff

The InRoom Gold MiniMonitor, to the best of my knowledge, has been the same since it was introduced around ten years ago. It uses the same tweeter that's used in many more-costly Triad speakers, including the Gold LCR and Silver Monitor. The 7" Scan-Speak Revelator woofer/mid is one of the best drivers, period.

You'll be okay placing them 8" from a wall behind them, but if the wall is next to them, you need to treat the first reflection area. GIK Acoustics makes nice panels that are cost-efficient.

Because of low demand, there is no immediate plan to reintroduce the OnWall Gold MiniMonitor in an MDF enclosure, and I believe the aluminum version is gone.
post #5579 of 6133
Since we are on the subject of speaker drivers, are the drivers in the Onwall Gold surrounds similar to those used in the OnWall Silver surrounds? If one were to use a pair of Onwall Gold's on the sides and Onwall Silver's in the back (with Gold LCR's up front), would that provide a farily seamless surround field? In my particular situation, I think doing Gold surrounds in the back would be overkill, but I still want a "presence" back there.
post #5580 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

The InRoom Gold MiniMonitor, to the best of my knowledge, has been the same since it was introduced around ten years ago. It uses the same tweeter that's used in many more-costly Triad speakers, including the Gold LCR and Silver Monitor. The 7" Scan-Speak Revelator woofer/mid is one of the best drivers, period.

You'll be okay placing them 8" from a wall behind them, but if the wall is next to them, you need to treat the first reflection area. GIK Acoustics makes nice panels that are cost-efficient.

Because of low demand, there is no immediate plan to reintroduce the OnWall Gold MiniMonitor in an MDF enclosure, and I believe the aluminum version is gone.

Thanks for your help Paul.
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