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post #5821 of 6133
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

If I want to prewire for Triad inwall subs, would I run #12 speaker wire (2 conductor) or RG6 coax?

My current sub is powered and takes RG6 to an RCA connector, but I saw a picture of the Triad subs that makes it look like they have binding posts like the LCR speakers.

Run 12 g wire to the subs. All Triad InWall and InCeiling subs use a remote amp, which is generally placed in the rack. They hook up with speaker wire.
post #5822 of 6133
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Originally Posted by tractng View Post


Since i don't have a dedicated room like some people, I am thinking really hard if I should replace my 118" fixed screen and speakers with in wall speakers and motorized screen in the living room. Problem is the wifey wants to move in 2-3 years.rolleyes.gif

I did a motorized screen in a living room for years.  You may not even need to do InWalls.  This is my theater from about four years ago.   I've since sold it all and went the route of a dedicated room, but this worked for quite some time:

post #5823 of 6133
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I did a motorized screen in a living room for years.  You may not even need to do InWalls.  This is my theater from about four years ago.   I've since sold it all and went the route of a dedicated room, but this worked for quite some time:


Thanks man. You ran an outlet on top for power? Also, was that a non tensioned screen?
post #5824 of 6133
Anyone (though I guess it would just be Paul, if anyone smile.gif ) know whether Gold Mini Monitors with the following serial #s are likely similar vintage? 129174, 129311, 263430?

I'm guessing the first two were bought together as a stereo pair, though since they are "made to order" I would not have anticipated such a large gap in numbers between them, and that the third was purchased at a considerably later date.
post #5825 of 6133
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Originally Posted by tractng View Post


Thanks man. You ran an outlet on top for power? Also, was that a non tensioned screen?

No problem!  I actually ran a romex wire in the wall from the outlet closer to the ground (connected the the receptacle screws inside the junction box), terminated it in an IEC female 15A plug from Lowes (essentially, a glorified extension cord connected to an outlet at the wire level), and then plugged the screen in that way.  I wanted to get an electrician to do it, but he quoted me $400, so after telling him "oh heck no, bro" I just did the wiring myself after much research. This was definitely a tab-tensioned screen.  Tensioned is the only way to go.  If you go with non-tensioned screens, it will almost certainly warp! 

post #5826 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Anyone (though I guess it would just be Paul, if anyone smile.gif ) know whether Gold Mini Monitors with the following serial #s are likely similar vintage? 129174, 129311, 263430?

I'm guessing the first two were bought together as a stereo pair, though since they are "made to order" I would not have anticipated such a large gap in numbers between them, and that the third was purchased at a considerably later date.

I can't tell you anything specific, but if you put the odd serial number speaker in the center, it's no big deal. The third one may have been purchased many years later. Other than one subtle crossover change a few years ago ( and a 1 dB loss of sensitivity), the Gold Monitors have been essentially unchanged since around 2000. Gold Monitors are magic.
post #5827 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

I can't tell you anything specific, but if you put the odd serial number speaker in the center, it's no big deal. The third one may have been purchased many years later. Other than one subtle crossover change a few years ago ( and a 1 dB loss of sensitivity), the Gold Monitors have been essentially unchanged since around 2000. Gold Monitors are magic.

Fair enough. And when you say "Gold Monitor" it applies to Gold MINI Monitors as well, right? (Just confirming the short hand or similarity.)
post #5828 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Fair enough. And when you say "Gold Monitor" it applies to Gold MINI Monitors as well, right? (Just confirming the short hand or similarity.)

I'm not aware of any significant or insignificant changes to the Gold MiniMonitor in, like, forever.
post #5829 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

I'm not aware of any significant or insignificant changes to the Gold MiniMonitor in, like, forever.

Even better!

Now to see whether I can live with losing a foot of room, in order to place some Gold minimonitors behind the screen, or whether I hold out for inwall fronts so the screen can be on the wall....

(I'm right at the point 8-10' where an AT screen's weave can become visible, so I have samples from all the manufacturers en route for testing in my space with my projector and my eyes.)

I hope to be able to lose a foot -- since I'll be able to grab better speakers (in terms of prices second hand) *and* I'll be able to place the subs behind the screen wall as well. We'll see.
post #5830 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Even better!

Now to see whether I can live with losing a foot of room, in order to place some Gold minimonitors behind the screen, or whether I hold out for inwall fronts so the screen can be on the wall....

(I'm right at the point 8-10' where an AT screen's weave can become visible, so I have samples from all the manufacturers en route for testing in my space with my projector and my eyes.)

I hope to be able to lose a foot -- since I'll be able to grab better speakers (in terms of prices second hand) *and* I'll be able to place the subs behind the screen wall as well. We'll see.

Just for edification, my money seat is around nine feet from an eight-year old Screen Research motorized screen, and I do not notice the weave. If I walk toward the screen, I can detect the weave at around seven feet, but I never notice it when watching. Newer woven screens have the excellent acoustical properties of the Screen Research, but with less-visible weaves. If I were buying a screen today, it would be a Seymour. I will never use a fixed screen with an improperly placed center channel speaker. It's tolerable at a distance, but not close to the screen, and a speaker below the screen is unacceptable in a room with two rows with the second row on a riser. It flat out does not work. A horizontal center channel speaker is a greater compromise than an AT screen, in my opinion.
post #5831 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Just for edification, my money seat is around nine feet from an eight-year old Screen Research motorized screen, and I do not notice the weave. If I walk toward the screen, I can detect the weave at around seven feet, but I never notice it when watching. Newer woven screens have the excellent acoustical properties of the Screen Research, but with less-visible weaves. If I were buying a screen today, it would be a Seymour. I will never use a fixed screen with an improperly placed center channel speaker. It's tolerable at a distance, but not close to the screen, and a speaker below the screen is unacceptable in a room with two rows with the second row on a riser. It flat out does not work. A horizontal center channel speaker is a greater compromise than an AT screen, in my opinion.

I think after living with non AT screens in various small rooms over the past decade, I'm ready to admit and agree -- and take action. These have been screens optimized for viewing quality in these spaces (three different ones), mostly Stewart, so I've been nervous to take a step back in terms of visual quality. But the new options appear both affordable and to have improved quality.

Have you ever compared Seymour to Falcon? I know, off topic a bit....

Anyway, I'm 10 feet from my front wall (wall mounted screen <-> my eyes, when seated) so if I make a lean hidden space behind a false screen wall of a single foot... well, you can do the math! tongue.gif

(It will be even sweeter if I can find a local buyer for my 120" wide 2.35:1 Stewart screen... which may cover the cost of a new AT screen.)
post #5832 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I think after living with non AT screens in various small rooms over the past decade, I'm ready to admit and agree -- and take action. These have been screens optimized for viewing quality in these spaces (three different ones), mostly Stewart, so I've been nervous to take a step back in terms of visual quality. But the new options appear both affordable and to have improved quality.

Have you ever compared Seymour to Falcon? I know, off topic a bit....

Anyway, I'm 10 feet from my front wall (wall mounted screen <-> my eyes, when seated) so if I make a lean hidden space behind a false screen wall of a single foot... well, you can do the math! tongue.gif

(It will be even sweeter if I can find a local buyer for my 120" wide 2.35:1 Stewart screen... which may cover the cost of a new AT screen.)

If you're ten feet away from a twelve-foot screen, your screen is way too big. Half the picture is in your peripheral vision, resolution isn't as good as it would be if the screen was smaller or you were sitting farther back, and you're losing brightness, contrast, and black level. Bigger isn't always better. It's like wider tires on a car that already has wide tires. Hydroplaning is worse, the car will track truck trenches, unsprung weight is higher, steering is slower, etc. The classic screen size formula is viewing distance = screen size + 50%. Pushing the limits, the closest I'd sit to a 12' screen would be 12'. It is totally a matter of taste, though. Hey, I put Tabasco on pizza...

Yeah, we're off topic, but screen choice is important. I haven't compared Seymour to Falcon, but I love the new Seymour products, and when my Screen Research dies, I'll buy one. BTW, I view from around 9' away, and my screen is 7'. The picture has black level, contrast, and pop, even with an older 720p projector.
post #5833 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

If you're ten feet away from a twelve-foot screen, your screen is way too big. Half the picture is in your peripheral vision, resolution isn't as good as it would be if the screen was smaller or you were sitting farther back, and you're losing brightness, contrast, and black level. Bigger isn't always better. It's like wider tires on a car that already has wide tires. Hydroplaning is worse, the car will track truck trenches, unsprung weight is higher, steering is slower, etc. The classic screen size formula is viewing distance = screen size + 50%. Pushing the limits, the closest I'd sit to a 12' screen would be 12'. It is totally a matter of taste, though. Hey, I put Tabasco on pizza...

Yeah, we're off topic, but screen choice is important. I haven't compared Seymour to Falcon, but I love the new Seymour products, and when my Screen Research dies, I'll buy one. BTW, I view from around 9' away, and my screen is 7'. The picture has black level, contrast, and pop, even with an older 720p projector.

120" wide is 10' not twelve, but I understand where you are coming from.

I think the traditional width/distance viewing recommendations work pretty well with a 16:9 screen. With a 2.35:1, for calculating things, I use the 16:9 space within the overall screen size. Yes, I'm cheating in favor of my preferences....

But add to that: I've had to mask the screen (both dimensions) to be roughly 8' wide due to needing space for speakers below/to the side of it, and you can see I'm even a little closer to "the spec".

So I think I have never actually lived with it at 10' for very long.... What I should do is use the full screen for a while, now, and if I do go with an on wall screen, I'll know whether i want is 10' wide. If I go with something a foot away from the wall, then something more like 8' may be perfect.... and allow me to still get optimum Left Right speaker placement behind the screen...
post #5834 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

120" wide is 10' not twelve, but I understand where you are coming from.

I think the traditional width/distance viewing recommendations work pretty well with a 16:9 screen. With a 2.35:1, for calculating things, I use the 16:9 space within the overall screen size. Yes, I'm cheating in favor of my preferences....

But add to that: I've had to mask the screen (both dimensions) to be roughly 8' wide due to needing space for speakers below/to the side of it, and you can see I'm even a little closer to "the spec".

So I think I have never actually lived with it at 10' for very long.... What I should do is use the full screen for a while, now, and if I do go with an on wall screen, I'll know whether i want is 10' wide. If I go with something a foot away from the wall, then something more like 8' may be perfect.... and allow me to still get optimum Left Right speaker placement behind the screen...

Got it, sorry for the misinterpretation. I don't know how I read that wrong.
post #5835 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

the Gold Monitors have been essentially unchanged since around 2000. Gold Monitors are magic.

+1

~ Mike
post #5836 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

. The classic screen size formula is viewing distance = screen size + 50%. Pushing the limits, the closest I'd sit to a 12' screen would be 12'. It is totally a matter of taste, though. Hey, I put Tabasco on pizza...

Yeah, we're off topic, but screen choice is important. I haven't compared Seymour to Falcon, but I love the new Seymour products, and when my Screen Research dies, I'll buy one.

I sit 12.5 ft from a 12ft 2.37 Seymour-Screen Excellence 4k screen and love it! Immersion is an understatement.........my Sony 1000ES delivers in spades.

At that size, projector selection is key so to brightness and pixelation don't handicap picture. I think at 10 feet from my screen, that would be too close.

BTW Paul, you aren't the only person that puts Tabasco sauce on pizza.....with a British born mother, I now tend to stay away from bland foods! wink.gif
post #5837 of 6133
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post


BTW Paul, you aren't the only person that puts Tabasco sauce on pizza.....with a British born mother, I now tend to stay away from bland foods! wink.gif

Yeah, a person can eat just so much boiled meat in their life. tongue.gif
post #5838 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Yeah, a person can eat just so much boiled meat in their life. tongue.gif

Or kidneys, liver, tripe or blood pudding.........boiled meat was the LEAST of my worries......wink.gif
post #5839 of 6133
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Or kidneys, liver, tripe or blood pudding.........boiled meat was the LEAST of my worries......wink.gif

"Check, please..." eek.gif
post #5840 of 6133
hi Paul

From my understanding of difference between Gold MiniMonitor and silver monitor, Minimonitor is closer to the silver monitor than gold? I have silver monitors and heard gold monitor setup and I could hear the difference clearly. And from the information gathered here in last week and on website Gold MiniMonitor is using same drivers as Silver monitor with slightly extended bottom end. It should really been called Silver MiniMonitor:-) They will not probably match gold monitors acoustically as tweeter is in different league on monitors.

Thankd
post #5841 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Macik View Post

hi Paul

From my understanding of difference between Gold MiniMonitor and silver monitor, Minimonitor is closer to the silver monitor than gold? I have silver monitors and heard gold monitor setup and I could hear the difference clearly. And from the information gathered here in last week and on website Gold MiniMonitor is using same drivers as Silver monitor with slightly extended bottom end. It should really been called Silver MiniMonitor:-) They will not probably match gold monitors acoustically as tweeter is in different league on monitors.

Thankd

There actually is a line of Silver MiniMonitors. The Monitors use two Scan-Speak woofer/mids, and the MiniMonitors use a single Scan-Speak woofer/mid. Despite being very accurate speakers, the Gold Monitor, Gold MiniMonitor, and Silver Monitor all have different characteristics and they are not really interchangeable. My favorite application for the Gold MiniMonitor is in a small, two-channel venue without a subwoofer, but it doesn't play as loud as either Monitor. The Silver MiniMonitor (which we never discuss) is a superb speaker that's very, very small and sounds wonderful, as long as it isn't played loudly.
post #5842 of 6133
I was pretty excited to get my used Bronze LCR onwall speakers today. They're in great shape, look perfect. I hooked them up to my current system and they sound great too. I practically stole them, I got such a great deal. They'll go into the basement behind the projection screen. I've got about 8-9 inches of room behind the screen so I should be fine, just need to figure out how to attach the speakers.

I'm going to reframe that front wall tomorrow before the drywall goes up.
post #5843 of 6133
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Originally Posted by weldon View Post

I was pretty excited to get my used Bronze LCR onwall speakers today. They're in great shape, look perfect. I hooked them up to my current system and they sound great too. I practically stole them, I got such a great deal. They'll go into the basement behind the projection screen. I've got about 8-9 inches of room behind the screen so I should be fine, just need to figure out how to attach the speakers.

I'm going to reframe that front wall tomorrow before the drywall goes up.

Congrats. Where are they from (audiogon, ebay, craigslist, etc)?

Got pictures???
post #5844 of 6133
Anyone know what vintage Silver Surrounds these are? Clearly NOT the current generation.....

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post #5845 of 6133
Looking to get some new in wall speakers - all three fronts.

While I would love to do the LCR Gold 6, I think it will be a little to tall... and sticking out 2 inches will be a huge no from my wife. That leaves the LCR Silver4. Putting the left and rights in won't be a problem. But i keep scripting my head on the center. It will go above 55inch tv (though in the future I wouldn't mind upgrading to 65 - not a deal breaker though).

Anyway, since the TV is mounted to the wall (non-supporting studs), what is the best way to retrofit the wall for a center and at the same time not compromise the wall to be able to hold up the tv? I wish there was a square version of the silver LCR that could be easier mounted horizontally between studs.

I am open to options. Thanks in advance!
post #5846 of 6133
Paul,

I am planning some changes to my home theater and was thinking of hanging my In-Wall Gold 6 LCR speakers from the wall (like they would be on wall).....does this affect performance in any way by not having the speakers flush with a surrounding wall?

The reason for me wanting to make the change is that my center speaker is about 8 inches off center of the room due to a concrete stud in the direct center. If I can on wall, my in walls I could then build a minimalist screen wall in front to hang the screen.

Thanks
post #5847 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

Looking to get some new in wall speakers - all three fronts.

While I would love to do the LCR Gold 6, I think it will be a little to tall... and sticking out 2 inches will be a huge no from my wife. That leaves the LCR Silver4. Putting the left and rights in won't be a problem. But i keep scripting my head on the center. It will go above 55inch tv (though in the future I wouldn't mind upgrading to 65 - not a deal breaker though).

Anyway, since the TV is mounted to the wall (non-supporting studs), what is the best way to retrofit the wall for a center and at the same time not compromise the wall to be able to hold up the tv? I wish there was a square version of the silver LCR that could be easier mounted horizontally between studs.

I am open to options. Thanks in advance!

Why not mount the Silver/4 above or below the TV vertically? Should sound better as well. Another option is to have Triad custom manufacture a Silver/4 LCR for you.
post #5848 of 6133
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Originally Posted by Dawn Gordon View Post

Why not mount the Silver/4 above or below the TV vertically? Should sound better as well. Another option is to have Triad custom manufacture a Silver/4 LCR for you.

Thanks for the suggestion, although vertical wall installation wouldn't work in our situation. It will have to be a horizontal.
post #5849 of 6133
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

Thanks for the suggestion, although vertical wall installation wouldn't work in our situation. It will have to be a horizontal.

I think you'll get better suggestions from the community here if you post a photo of the wall/TV current set up -- and if you can sketch in where the existing studs are, that's even better.
post #5850 of 6133
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Anyone know what vintage Silver Surrounds these are? Clearly NOT the current generation.....

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Wow, those are old. Triad hasn't used a "tent grill" on Silver Surrounds for at least twelve years.
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