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What are your HDM audio views?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
Which best describes your opinion for HDM audio? I tried to be thorough, but if your view is not expressed in the poll, please reply.

I hear a few that are very vocal in their stances, and I'm wondering how others feel.
post #2 of 38
Right now, I prefer PCM or TrueHD, with DTS-MA trailing in third. But once (if?) my PS3 can decode it, I'll prefer DTS-MA for the simple fact that there will only need to be one audio track. (won't need to remind the family to select the lossless track)
post #3 of 38
i just got my onkyo TX-SR605 from Amazon two weeks ago and the difference is noticeable over my old JVC 6.1 receiver...however, since I don't have the highest quality speakers in the world, just give a me a good soundtrack and awesome PQ and I would be happy....
post #4 of 38
PCM whenever possible. TrueHD or DTS-HDMA otherwise.
post #5 of 38
I would prefer TrueHD, but really as long as it sounds great I don't worry about it.

Hot Fuzz had one of the best soundtracks I have heard on my system, and it wasn't lossless.
post #6 of 38
As long as I enjoy the soundtrack, it doesn't matter. Sure, regular DD sucks, but I rather enjoy some of those soundtracks too on my HD-A1. DD+ is awesome, and so is TrueHD. There is a difference on the disks that have both, but on those the DD+ is only 640 kbps, not the 1.5 that is preferable.

I'm a hard-core audiophile, but, movies aren't stereo music. The requirements for enjoyment are different. Once the audio quality gets to a certain level, the mix is more important to the enjoyment than the last few bits. High quality DD+ is usually good enough, but of course I'll take lossless if I can.
post #7 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ronin_R6 View Post

I would prefer TrueHD, but really as long as it sounds great I don't worry about it.

Hot Fuzz had one of the best soundtracks I have heard on my system, and it wasn't lossless.

Transformers has a good soundtrack as well, and it's only DD+ 1.5mbs.

As long as it sounds good I'm a happy camper .
post #8 of 38
Lossless or leave it. If you can do it, then by all means do it. I don't like formats being dumbed down. That's why I'm firmly in the BD camp. If you remove the neutral studios Blu-ray has 85% of their titles with lossless audio.
post #9 of 38
I prefer 2-bit mono.

This poll sucks because...nobody "prefers" a lossy track to a lossless track. However, if you can't hear the difference, you may be indifferent. High-quality compression at high bit-rates (ex: DD+@1.5) are audibly identical for 99.9% of the population. The other 0.1% may hear the difference on $100,000 equipment. At that point, who cares?
post #10 of 38
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Originally Posted by LynxFX View Post

Lossless or leave it. If you can do it, then by all means do it. I don't like formats being dumbed down. That's why I'm firmly in the BD camp. If you remove the neutral studios Blu-ray has 85% of their titles with lossless audio.

If it sounds good I dont really care. I am not running a 25K sound system so hatever. And by all means remove all the neutral studios from BD. We welcome them over here
post #11 of 38
I don't think it's as easy as saying, I prefer [blank]
or
lossless or leave it

I think every instance is different from any other. since this obviously came about due to Transformers, this particular instance IMO tells me I would much rather have a lossless track (whether DD+ is indisernable from TrueHD or not), simply because I'm not a fan of Transformers and would only buy it for demo material. Demo requires lossless, in most cases.
post #12 of 38
DD+ for me. I don't have an HDMI receiver (nor a player with analog outs), so it's not like lossless helps me out any, especially since with Blu-rays on the PS3 I'm usually stuck with the 640k DD track (unless I want matrixed 2ch PCM, which doesn't sound very enticing).
post #13 of 38
One fact remains: There is no reason with 3 lossless choices that the studios shouldn't include at least 1 lossless track on all releases. That way everybody is happy.
post #14 of 38
Either lossless (TrueHD) or very high bitrate DD+ is fine.

PCM is stupid since it just wastes space.
post #15 of 38
I am sorry, but with a title that has a significant spelling mistake, I am not even going to bother with this poll.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by ddelrio View Post

I prefer 2-bit mono.

This poll sucks because...nobody "prefers" a lossy track to a lossless track. However, if you can't hear the difference, you may be indifferent. High-quality compression at high bit-rates (ex: DD+@1.5) are audibly identical for 99.9% of the population. The other 0.1% may hear the difference on $100,000 equipment. At that point, who cares?

EXACTLY my point.
I don't get why so many people prefer something they don't understand, can't hear or even have the equipment to take advantage of. It's clear with the high scores some lossy audio tracks have it rials up the "audiophiles" or bluman crew.
post #17 of 38
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Originally Posted by alpha21 View Post

I don't think it's as easy as saying, I prefer [blank]
or
lossless or leave it

I think every instance is different from any other. since this obviously came about due to Transformers, this particular instance IMO tells me I would much rather have a lossless track (whether DD+ is indisernable from TrueHD or not), simply because I'm not a fan of Transformers and would only buy it for demo material. Demo requires lossless, in most cases.

And so far every review of Transformers has given it a perfect score for AQ (and PQ). Stop just reading the stats and listen to the movie.
post #18 of 38
I went with "I don't care...." ....that's yet for me. I've yet to hear DTS Master and relatively little True. I need more experience before I develope any hardcore preferances. The PCM on BD's has been very good thus far.
post #19 of 38
I voted "I don't care, as long as I enjoy the soundtrack". That being said, it has to be a well made ST. If there is no effort put into it I will be piping hot over it.
post #20 of 38
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Originally Posted by ddelrio View Post

I prefer 2-bit mono.

This poll sucks because...nobody "prefers" a lossy track to a lossless track. However, if you can't hear the difference, you may be indifferent. High-quality compression at high bit-rates (ex: DD+@1.5) are audibly identical for 99.9% of the population. The other 0.1% may hear the difference on $100,000 equipment. At that point, who cares?

+1
post #21 of 38
Sounds like those that don't care because they can't take advantage of lossless are of the same kind that didn't care about DVD's being anamorphic back in the early days of DVD. Just because you can't use it now, doesn't mean you won't want it later. It is the continuing dumbing down of the HDM format. Why stop at audio, why not make all transfers 720p since that is what the majority of HDTV's out there support?
post #22 of 38


I just don't get it... How is it 'dumbing down HDM'? I thought it's been proven COUNTLESS times by professionals for YEARS long before HDM even existed that barely anyone can tell the difference between a lossless audio format and one compressed at 320kps and above...

I might be wrong but wasn't BD not supposed to have lossless as well?

This is nothing more than a pissing contest. Neutral formatters are happy since they can get TF in HD, HD DVD owners are happy since they can get TF in HD but the blu boys nitpick anything and everything.

Here's the facts

5/5 and 10/10 for audio quality across the board. Live with it or embrace both formats and enjoy HDM to it's fullest
post #23 of 38
Just give me a great soundtrack!!
post #24 of 38
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Originally Posted by cuco33 View Post

...that barely anyone can tell the difference ...

...and what if you are "that barely" someone? How does having a lossless track for "barely anyone" diminish one bit your HD enjoyment as long as there is a lossy track to satisfy you? It's not like you are being deprived and can't have popcorn during the film just because it has a lossless track added.
post #25 of 38
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Originally Posted by William View Post

...and what if you are "that barely" someone? How does having a lossless track for "barely anyone" diminish one bit your HD enjoyment as long as there is a lossy track to satisfy you? It's not like you are being deprived and can't have popcorn during the film just because it has a lossless track added.

If having a lossless track (eg. PCM, but less so with THD) means the bitrate for the video needs to be lowered and if more people would notice the inferior picture quality than the difference between a high bitrate lossy soundtrack vs a lossless track, then in that case it might be better to use more bits for the video.

It also depends on the amount of space on the disc, and whether there are multiple languages/audio tracks/pip commentaries (and perhaps they could press different discs for the different languages). Though I see no reason not to use a 2nd disc for most documentaries, etc.
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

If having a lossless track (eg. PCM, but less so with THD) means the bitrate for the video needs to be lowered and if more people would notice the inferior picture quality than the difference between a high bitrate lossy soundtrack vs a lossless track, then in that case it might be better to use more bits for the video.

That's why you go to Blu-ray that thought of that from the beginning by creating BD-50's and having a healthy 48Mbit/s bitrate. Now you have plenty of space for video to keep the videophiles happy and plenty of space for the audio to keep the audiophiles happy. No need to cut corners to keep from hitting HD DVD's low ceiling.
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by LynxFX View Post

Sounds like those that don't care because they can't take advantage of lossless are of the same kind that didn't care about DVD's being anamorphic back in the early days of DVD. Just because you can't use it now, doesn't mean you won't want it later. It is the continuing dumbing down of the HDM format. Why stop at audio, why not make all transfers 720p since that is what the majority of HDTV's out there support?

I guess that's why you support Internet extras and PiP right now for Blu-Ray releases, right?

The difference is that, with the audio question, you will NEVER be able to tell the difference. Not now, not tomorrow, not next week, not next year... Just never. In contrast, some day, you may have a player that can take advantage of Internet connectivity and PiP--but those discs aren't being released on your format...yet. Get ready to buy the re-releases for your entire collection.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by ddelrio View Post

...The difference is that, with the audio question, you will NEVER be able to tell the difference. Not now, not tomorrow, not next week, not next year... Just never...

This is your opinion/belief/truth but not a undusputed and proven fact.
post #29 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hutzal View Post

I am sorry, but with a title that has a significant spelling mistake, I am not even going to bother with this poll.

corrected
post #30 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ddelrio View Post

I prefer 2-bit mono.

This poll sucks because...nobody "prefers" a lossy track to a lossless track. However, if you can't hear the difference, you may be indifferent. High-quality compression at high bit-rates (ex: DD+@1.5) are audibly identical for 99.9% of the population. The other 0.1% may hear the difference on $100,000 equipment. At that point, who cares?

I do, if it's the only way to get a 24 bit 7.1 track. Lossless is all well and good, but not at the expense of the best possible audio. If DD+ is able to give me what I want and the best PCM I could get is 16 bit, why would I want PCM?
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