Pioneer Elite DV-58AV - Page 24

Once he has access to the original Pioneer firmware, while keeping the original firmware intact, he adapts features he and/or other MediaTek MT1389 created to work on Pioneer players. If you check out the threads for the DV-578A, DV-588A-S, DV-490V, DV-696AV, DV-46AV, DV-400V, DV-600AV, DV-48AV, DV-410V, DV-610AV, DV-49AV, and DV-420V, you will fully understand how to install his firmware in your players, and how to use your players once it has been installed on them. In most cases, the original firmware can be reinstalled so you won't lose your warranty, except for the DV-46AV, DV-48AV, and DV-49AV. The DV-58AV uses the same firmware regardless of country. So if you need to go back to the original firmware to cover your butt for warranty service, that shouldn't be a problem.

You now get Bass Boost, Treble Boost, Super Bass, and Equalizer. It can be found at http://www.pioneerfaq.info/click/click.php?id=441. You should keep checking the firmware page at www.pioneerfaq.info because you never know when he adds new features and/or improvements, as well as new firmwares released by Pioneer. I thought I'd explain this to you because many of the higher-priced elite players aren't compatible with Hakan's firmware. Therefore, I thought that you who own high-end players might not be aware of Hakan, his firmwares, and/or his work.

Thanks for all the pointers.

When I said original firmware, I didn't mean the earliest firmware. If you go to Hakan's firmware page, there is Pioneer firmware and Smash the Mac enhanced firmware. If it was me, I would go right to Smash the Mac version 1.1, based on YGD8827A. If you wish to return to a factory firmware, just install the original Pioneer YGD8827A firmware.

I am extremely pleased with the sound of this player. I was contemplating new speakers but am glad I bought this first as I really don't feel the need for them now. I have to admit I really didn't think a player at this price would make such a big difference in sound quality/depth.
I don't have a hi-def TV yet but I'm not all that fussy when it comes to Video so I'm sure it will be more than satisfactory. (The analog picture is refined enough for me so I'll be hard to disappoint.)

I knew you would be pleased with the player.

Sorry...my search didn't catch that one! Oh well, interesting none-the-less.
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Can anyone that uses the component output please check something:
If you output a progressive signal or a higher resolution then 480/576i will you then have a ghost text in the OSD menus?
It looks like there is a picture over a picture but the picture above is moved to the right a little bit.
Hard to explain but if you have it, you will see what i mean.
If you dont have it, let me know what firmware version you run!
This is with an original firmware! and only applys if you uses the component output.

Post 521 used to say that YGD7925A is multi-region and YGD8827A is the latest factory firmware. That was because Hakan was borrowing a player that was for sale at the time and wound up being sold before the releases of YGD8611A and YGD8827A. Now that Hakan owns one of these players himself, he will be able to keep adding enhancements to firmwares as Pioneer releases them.

Thanks for the information. I appreciate your attempt at clarification but it is confusing. If the YGD8827a wasn't available how was it being used at the time of the original #521 post ? Also, is it still necessary to install the YGD7925a if one wants multi-region or does Hkan's "enhanced" YGD8827a take care of that as well as bringing the player up to date with the latest official firmware (plus his enhancements)? Lastly, if one has Pioneer do the firmware update would one still use YGD7925a to make it multi-regional at a later date or would they have to install Hkan's version of YGD8827a?
I hope answers to these questions can be stated clearly once and for all. Thanks again for your time and effort.

Whether Hakan owns a player or not, he will post the original factory firmware at the PioneerFAQ firmware page. If you want factory firmware without modifications, just download the original YGD8827A firmware from the PioneerFAQ firmware page. If you want the player to be multi-region yet still use factory firmware, install the enhanced version of YGD8827A, hold the ENTER button next to the 0 until the player turns off, and install the original factory version of YGD8827A again. If you wish to have the latest firmware in the player with the addition of Hakan's enhancements, just install the enhanced version of YGD8827A. If you have Pioneer upgrade the player for you, you don't need YGD7925A to make it multi-region anymore. In fact, the multi-region version of YGD7925A isn't even on the PioneerFAQ firmware page anymore. But why would anyone want to go through the trouble of having Pioneer do it when it's so easy to do yourself! Whether you're seeking the latest factory firmware or enhanced firmware based on the latest factory firmware, pioneerfaq.info has everything you need!

Hi folks. I just purchased a dv-58 recently, and while I enjoy its performance overall, I have found what seems to be a glitch, however I can't tell if its the player, or my music selection thats giving me the problem.

I noticed when I play a new SACD of Ricki Lee Jones--Pirates, there is no output through subwoofer when using the analog outs. There is ample output through the HDMI, but I prefer the sound of the analogs. Any thoughts? The disc is a new release from MoFi. I tried an old CD I have of the record and it most definitely routes bass information to the sub, but curiously, it doesn't with this new disc.

This of course would seem to be the disc....but it again, it works just fine when I use the HDMI.
Thanks for any suggestions.

If the older CD you tried was a regular CD then any routing done was to the bass at a certain frequency. SACD outputs specific information on the LFE (.1) channel. The Moody Blues SACD discs although rated as 5.1 have no LFE or centre channel information so don't output any signal to the sub (or centre) natively (in DSD mode).
Have you tried disabling the HDMI output when using the analog outs? Also make sure you read everything in the manual as it gives very detailed instructions as to how to set up the player in different configurations.
(i.e. HDMI, 5.1, 2.0, speaker set-up etc.) It is usually something simple in my experience. I don't use a sub so I can't be of much help experimenting.
If there is information on the .1 track you should be hearing it through the analog out with HDMI set to off in the initial settings.

Strangely, every other disc I've played, whether played through the analog outs or HDMI, has LFE information output through the sub. Its just this disc. I even tried to crank the sub up all the way, and still no output. I think its set up properly, (though I could be wrong) and I haven't tried to disable the HDMI. (I would like to keep it on because I use it for 5.1 DVDs) I will try this to see what happens, but I also read on an earlier page-- Kal Rubinson said that he would have occasional glitches--where the DV-58 would only output 2.1 when it was configured for 5.1, DSD via HDMI, ONLY on certain discs. Not sure if this is related or not.

If you search this forum I think you will find that this problem stemmed from having the resolution set above 720p with an inappropriate HDMI cord. When there isn't enough bandwidth the player defaults to transferring the Video at the expense of "extra" audio channels. I was going to post this in my response but you said the HDMI was working fine. I don't use HDMI or a sub so I can't help much. I just thought I'd try some ideas. Have you tried pure audio with the
output set to 5.1 speakers and and multi channel selection for SACD?
Also there are firmware updates which are available on the Pioneer FAQ page if you are feeling adventurous. I think most glitches were resolved with firmware updates but again I could be wrong.

Thanks. I think I'll go the firmware route and see where that takes me. I'll report back, if its of any interest to anyone.

The problem I had was with 5.0 discs which always played as 2.0. It is the reason I do not now have that machine since the majority of classical mch discs are 5.0. Pioneer promised a fix but never got back with one, afaik.

Yes, I read that. My problem may be unique to this particular SACD disc, though I don't have another player to A/B it.

I contacted pioneer with my gripes about the dv-58's inability to play my SACD, and they said there was indeed a firmware update addressing this playback issue. Obviously, this problem encompasses more discs than just mine--including DVD-A. (I discovered that I have a DVD-A disc that has the same problem.) Maybe that has some value for someone out there.

Check out post 521 of this thread.

I'm happy Pioneer addressed this problem. On another note I have to say again how pleased I am with this player after a couple of weeks of break in. I am very happy I paid a little more and bought this over the Oppo. (The power cable alone would be fifty bucks here in Canada!) It really is too bad that Pioneer cut back production on this one. It's a keeper.

Kal:

Good to see you and SACD/DVD-A still kicking. Thanks for the wonderful reviews for Stereofile. I especially appreciate the mix of music and equipment reviews.


Valjean and others who have used the firmware update original and mods can you please clarify:

1) What is the latest Pure Pioneer firmware for the 58av?

2) What does the moded firmware from Hakan do after you install the current Pioneer Firmware;

3) I am unclear on the multiple region - keep that mod - and keep current Pioneer firmware update. Do you load the Hakan first and then the Pio or vice versa?

I am looking to pair the 58AV with a Pionneer SC-07 via HDMI.

Thanks for the clarification and replies.

1) YGD8827A is the latest I know off.
2) I don't understand what you mean!
3) To make it multiregional, you need to install my firmware! Start your player, when it reads NO DISC press and hold the ENTER button till the player turn it self off. Whne you start it again it will be multiregional and remain so even if you install another firmware. After this you can reinstall a original firmware again! Player will remain multiregional.

Hkan:

Thank you.

2 Is better phased as:

What does the modded firmware that you created for the player do? What extra features does it enable?

Also does the installation of the newest Pioneer Firmware REMOVE any of the options that yours creates (except obviously for the Multi region playback ability)?

Thanks

If and when I get my 58AVi. A Paypal donation it on its way.

You find here what it changes and adds:
http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/d...tion=Firmwares
Scroll down to you see Smash the Mac V1.1

If you install another firmware you will loose it all!

Hey...I don't understand your post. Can you explain?

I dont understand what you dont understand!
But my post should be read like this:

There is a modified firmware for the dvd-player, it adds some stuff thats not in the original firmware, what you can see on the page I link above.

Also, if you install another firmware all this new functions will go away!

If you install Hakan's enhanced firmware, you get extra features. If you go back to the factory firmware it is based on, the player doesn't have Hakan's added features. If you want them back again, install Hakan's enhanced firmware again. You can switch back and forth between the factory firmware and Hakan's firmware as many times as you want to.

Hkan and others:

Does the new Pioneer firmware or the new Hakan 1.1 firmware address the problem that Kal Rubinson noted with 5.0 classical music disks playing only in 2.0 and not 5.0 surround?

Good question, I would like to know this myself?