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post #991 of 1053
6/4/10 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Loco Larry View Post

My DV58AV Does not recognize sacd layer on Hybrid discs. SACD only discs are fine. I use it for audio only in my 2 channel system using the stereo analog outs. Only had it about 5 or 6 weeks. Developed this problem a couple of days ago. I don't have any video display hooked up. Could i have accidentally changed some setting that I'm not aware of by accident on the remote control? Firmware glitch?

There is a button on the front of the player (it's not on the remote) that toggles between the CD/SACD:stereo/SACD:multi channel layers of hybrids.
Also, in th initial settings under "options" you can choose to play either the 2 channel CD, SACD or multi-channel layer. You might have changed either of these accidentally; otherwise if it is under warranty as it should be, just take it to the shop.
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post #992 of 1053
6/4/10 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

Mine is YGD7906E. how do I go about getting a firmware update? I didn't see it as an option on the Pioneer site. My unit is within the warranty period. Thanks.


As I lived near the Canadian factory I was lucky and took it there. You can take it to an authorized dealer and have them send it out for you or they might be authorized to do it. It's free under warranty.
Otherwise you could always use Hkan's firmware http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/d...tion=Firmwares as he has the official Pioneer one and his modified one. It just voids your warranty if on the the very unlikely chance something goes wrong.
I just checked Hkan's site and your original firmware (YGD7906E) is not available so if anything goes wrong with the player you cannot roll it back to the original firmware for any other warranty service. (Pioneer keeps records of firmware updates done to players based on manufacture date and serial#.)
If you are not concerned about warranty service just get the latest one (either the official Pioneer one or his modified one) from Hkan's site. As of yet I have not heard of anyone here failing at updating the firmware. It's just that Hkan warns people if they happen to screw up their player it voids the warranty (unless they know how to get their player back to the firmware Pioneer has on file for it).
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post #993 of 1053
6/4/10 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

As soon as I realized that I was wrong about the 58's video, I admitted I was wrong, explained how I solved the problem, and deleted all my posts that suggested something was wrong with the analog video output on Pioneer's players. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I thought the purpose of these forums was to report good and bad experiences, make suggestions, and report how we solved our technical problems. Also, I got my 58 back in August of 2008. The Oppo BDP-83 wasn't available at that time. If it was, I probibly would have gotten one.

Don't be so sensitive...do you not know what means?
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post #994 of 1053
6/5/10 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

Mine is YGD7906E. how do I go about getting a firmware update? I didn't see it as an option on the Pioneer site. My unit is within the warranty period. Thanks.

Mine came with the same firmware. You could take it to a pioneer service center or just get it from hkans site. I got my update from hkans site.
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post #995 of 1053
6/11/10 at 8:59am
OK, finally found time to play with my new DV58 Connected via HDMI to Pio 1019 AVR. Played 'Madasgascar 2' DVD for the kids - PQ is absolutely brilliant. SACD default output setting is 'MCH area'. 'PCM' lit up in front of my AVR when I played 'Isaac Hayes Movement' SACD - as it should, right? Sounds good even for old tin ears like me
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post #996 of 1053
6/12/10 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

OK, finally found time to play with my new DV58 Connected via HDMI to Pio 1019 AVR. Played 'Madasgascar 2' DVD for the kids - PQ is absolutely brilliant. SACD default output setting is 'MCH area'. 'PCM' lit up in front of my AVR when I played 'Isaac Hayes Movement' SACD - as it should, right? Sounds good even for old tin ears like me

I totally agree with you that the 58 has excellent PQ(HDMI at least). It seems that it is overlooked and underrated as a video player. But since it came out when BR was picking up what do you expect I guess.
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post #997 of 1053
6/24/10 at 6:36am
After comparing the multi-channel analog audio output performance of my DV-58AV and BDP-320 by playing a high-quality stereo CD track, I have noticed that bass is punchier and the treble frequencies seem to ring a little more on the BDP-320. This experience proves what you guys have been trying to explain about the circuitry around the DACs being the major factor in the equasion. Now I wish I have not been worried so much about future-proofing myself with the latest HDMI, but instead, listened to you guys better a few years ago and bought a DV-79AVI so I could have gotten better audio for SACD playback. This seems to prove that during Pioneer's good old Kuro days, they were cutting cost on SD players so they could put more into their pre-Sharp BD players. On a more posative note, the MediaTek MT1389 chipset gives the DV-58AV better functionality, possibly making it one of the best MediaTek-based SD players for analog use, although a European review of the Marantz DV7001 suggests that its analog audio is better than the DV-58AV. However, if you're looking for an HDMI 1.2A player with good analog output and functionality, the DV-58AV seems to be one of the best all-purpose SD players. Because of this, some day I'll be able to connect a high-end receiver and use its SACD section. Sorry if I burst anyone's bubble. I'm just posting my discoveries in case anyone should find them useful.
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post #998 of 1053
6/24/10 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

After comparing the multi-channel analog audio output performance of my DV-58AV and BDP-320 by playing a high-quality stereo CD track, I have noticed that bass is punchier and the treble frequencies seem to ring a little more on the BDP-320. This experience proves what you guys have been trying to explain about the circuitry around the DACs being the major factor in the equasion. Now I wish I have not been worried so much about future-proofing myself with the latest HDMI, but instead, listened to you guys better a few years ago and bought a DV-79AVI so I could have gotten better audio for SACD playback. This seems to prove that during Pioneer's good old Kuro days, they were cutting cost on SD players so they could put more into their pre-Sharp BD players. On a more posative note, the MediaTek MT1389 chipset gives the DV-58AV better functionality, possibly making it one of the best MediaTek-based SD players for analog use, although a European review of the Marantz DV7001 suggests that its analog audio is better than the DV-58AV. However, if you're looking for an HDMI 1.2A player with good analog output and functionality, the DV-58AV seems to be one of the best all-purpose SD players. Because of this, some day I'll be able to connect a high-end receiver and use its SACD section. Sorry if I burst anyone's bubble. I'm just posting my discoveries in case anyone should find them useful.

The pioneer elite pd-65 easily beats out all 3 of those players for cd playback
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post #999 of 1053
6/24/10 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by 67 - 427 View Post

The pioneer elite pd-65 easily beats out all 3 of those players for cd playback

At this point in my life, I watch movies more than I listen to music. So considering what I paid for my BDP-320, I am happy with its multi-channel analog audio output performance, especially since it beats my DV-58AV!
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post #1000 of 1053
8/11/10 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

At this point in my life, I watch movies more than I listen to music. So considering what I paid for my BDP-320, I am happy with its multi-channel analog audio output performance, especially since it beats my DV-58AV!

Music is a subjective experience. IMO your opinions should be a little more tempered.
Many do not hear the 320 to have better analog out than the 58.
The players use different DAC chips so your preference probably lies in the particular presentation of the Wolfson(?) chip and associated circuitry.
I like the BB1796 better than the WM8740(?) and I've compared them a LOT.
To each his own but with a pair of Senn HD650s and a good dedicated headphone amp the 58AV is VERY hard to best.

IMHO!
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post #1001 of 1053
8/18/10 at 5:49am
It looks like Pioneer has some new DV-58's on their web site.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...i.DV-58AV.Shop
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post #1002 of 1053
8/18/10 at 12:54pm
Thanks! Hopefully they're not recently manufactured by Sharp.
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post #1003 of 1053
8/18/10 at 2:49pm
That made-by-Sharp theory is a good cautionary measure. So if you don't feel comfortable, don't order it from the above link. My hunch is that no authorized retailers are interested in carrying this player anymore, but Pioneer still has some left. I believe they're doing the same thing with either their SC-07 or SC-09 Elite receiver. If they are newly manufactured, it would be cool if they have exactly the same blood, guts, and DNA as when they were made in 2007 and 2008. This would mean there is still a little hope for Pio!
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post #1004 of 1053
8/22/10 at 7:35am
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That made-by-Sharp theory is a good cautionary measure

A little paranoid I think as it says original price $499 with the exact same description.

A killer deal on a great player. I have yet to have a home made DVD not play (not to mention the audio quality again).

Music Hall just released a standalone DAC for $599 with the exact same PCM1796 chip.

If I was in the U.S. I'd buy another one for future reference!
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post #1005 of 1053
9/2/10 at 2:37pm
does anyone know where i can get this at a decent price?? There's only one listing on amazon for like $600, NO listings on ebay... can't find this anywhere. except Pioneer's site. but they want 288.. i don't feel like payin that much
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post #1006 of 1053
9/2/10 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by FuneralDancer View Post

does anyone know where i can get this at a decent price?? There's only one listing on amazon for like $600, NO listings on ebay... can't find this anywhere. except Pioneer's site. but they want 288.. i don't feel like payin that much

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, amigo, but 288.00, free shipping, and a
2 yr warranty, doesn't sound too bad to me for a player that does everything but blu-ray, and does it it quite well, thank you.
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post #1007 of 1053
9/2/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, amigo, but 288.00, free shipping, and a
2 yr warranty, doesn't sound too bad to me for a player that does everything but blu-ray, and does it it quite well, thank you.

im serious, amigo. :P i know it doesn't do blu, and I already own a universal player with the Oppo BDP-83.
but I love the design and build quality of the pioneer elite. thats what draws me in.

i would mainly be using this for upscaling dvds.
$288 does sound somewhat decent, but cash is a bit tight right now, so i was lookin for somethin a bit less.
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post #1008 of 1053
9/2/10 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by FuneralDancer View Post

im serious, amigo. :P i know it doesn't do blu, and I already own a universal player with the Oppo BDP-83.
but I love the design and build quality of the pioneer elite. thats what draws me in.

i would mainly be using this for upscaling dvds.
$288 does sound somewhat decent, but cash is a bit tight right now, so i was lookin for somethin a bit less.

I apologize for my offhand remarks earlier. If i had an extra 288.00, I'd buy one and put it away for future use. What I should have said is that as far as i know, it would be hard to find a better deal on a new (non-blu) universal player available right now.
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post #1009 of 1053
9/2/10 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

I apologize for my offhand remarks earlier. If i had an extra 288.00, I'd buy one and put it away for future use. What I should have said is that as far as i know, it would be hard to find a better deal on a new (non-blu) universal player available right now.


You're right this time. I posted earlier that at this price, if I was in the US I'd buy another one for future use. This is a killer deal but Pioneer USA doesn't ship electronics to Canada.

I'm using mine for everything and it hasn't skipped a beat (so to speak).

I don't want to think about when it wears out but here in Canada we get three years warranty on Elite stuff so I'm good for awhile.

(I hope there is as good a player available for $300 when it does give up the ghost but I have my doubts.)
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post #1010 of 1053
9/3/10 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by mahdlokg View Post

I apologize for my offhand remarks earlier. If i had an extra 288.00, I'd buy one and put it away for future use. What I should have said is that as far as i know, it would be hard to find a better deal on a new (non-blu) universal player available right now.

spanx for the info.. will be saving up my $ for this player
so is the build quality pretty damn good, tank-like? i also wanna use this for playing my music
but no USB port?
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post #1011 of 1053
9/3/10 at 9:35pm
WHY is this player so OBSCURE? I haven't seen ANY reviews on amazon.com, which is usually pretty filled. nothing on ebay.. only a few on google that i found, so is the $288 really worth it? the build quality and aesthetics appeal to me
i own ONE Pioneer elite player, but the build ispretty thin

so im just trying to see if the $288 is worth it
for that much money, i can get an LG Blu-ray player built with a 250GB HDD.
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post #1012 of 1053
9/4/10 at 11:59pm
guys, this isn't $288 shipped... It saysTaxes $23.76, so the total
Total Price is: $311.76

and thats regular shipping, if you want 2-day, cost an extra $20...
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post #1013 of 1053
9/7/10 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by FuneralDancer View Post

guys, this isn't $288 shipped... It saysTaxes $23.76, so the total
Total Price is: $311.76

and thats regular shipping, if you want 2-day, cost an extra $20...

Dude - Buy the freakin thing before it's too late and you end up kicking yourself. This is an awesome machine for dedicated DVD-A, SACD, etc. Add Khan's custom firmware, and you'll keep this thing for many years to come.
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post #1014 of 1053
9/7/10 at 6:12pm
lol, i'm NOT a dude, but a dudette.. so stop calling me that :P

Anyways, $300 is a good chunk of cash for an SD DVD player, I gotta save up, or sell some stuff I don't need or use anymore, so far I have $150 saved for this player.

My only hesitance is the price. for that much I could buy a new blu-ray player, or put that money down for a new TV.
Anyways, the Pioneer Elite DV-58AV still draws me in. i just MIGHT buy at the end of this month.

How do I install the custom FW? It makes it all region? I remember I made my Oppo BDP-83 all region just from installing a simple firmware via USB.
I wish this Pioneer player had a USB port,when was this made. 07?

Also, is the build quality really solid, tank-like? i think it only weighs 12 lbs? It sure does look nice, though.. very attractive unit!

~Kristina~
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post #1015 of 1053
9/7/10 at 6:29pm
I just received mine today. Tank like it is indeed.
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post #1016 of 1053
9/7/10 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by unclemat View Post

I just received mine today. Tank like it is indeed.

thats good to hear im looking for a solid, tank-like build
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post #1017 of 1053
9/13/10 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Hellenback View Post

Music is a subjective experience. IMO your opinions should be a little more tempered.
Many do not hear the 320 to have better analog out than the 58.
The players use different DAC chips so your preference probably lies in the particular presentation of the Wolfson(?) chip and associated circuitry.
I like the BB1796 better than the WM8740(?) and I've compared them a LOT.
To each his own but with a pair of Senn HD650s and a good dedicated headphone amp the 58AV is VERY hard to best.

IMHO!

Units I have used (own).

BDP-51FD...............................Wolfson WM8740
BDP-320 (23FD).......................BB PCM1741
DV-49AV (DV-610)...................BB PCM1741
DV-58AV.................................BB PCM1796
Onkyo DV-SP506......................BB PCM1796

Feeding VSX-01TXH or Yamaha RX-V765...........

faves..........58AV and Onkyo (sound quality every bit as good as the 58AV in my experience)
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post #1018 of 1053
9/13/10 at 5:00pm
Question to DV-58AV experts.

I hooked mine to Marantz SR5005 A/V receiver via both HDMI and 5.1 analog outputs.

In the Digital Audio Out menu if the HDMI Out is set to Off, the player properly outputs the audio (from both SACD and DVD-A discs) via the analog 5.1 outs. When I change HDMI Out setting to Auto or 5.1, the audio is sent over HDMI fine, but then the audio level over the 5.1 analog outs is SEVERELY muted, like 25 dB or more. And it is distorted actually.

Am I expecting something it does not support? It won't output audio simultaneously over HDMI and analog outs? Or is my player defective.

Thanks!
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post #1019 of 1053
9/18/10 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Stilly77 View Post

Units I have used (own).

BDP-51FD...............................Wolfson WM8740
BDP-320 (23FD).......................BB PCM1741
DV-49AV (DV-610)...................BB PCM1741
DV-58AV.................................BB PCM1796
Onkyo DV-SP506......................BB PCM1796

Feeding VSX-01TXH or Yamaha RX-V765...........

faves..........58AV and Onkyo (sound quality every bit as good as the 58AV in my experience)

Actually, after reading the specs of the DACs, you'd think the DV-58AV would outdo the DV-59AVI, DV-79AVI, BDP-51FD/05FD, BDP-09FD, and BDP-320/23FD. But after comparing a contemporary stereo CD track with good percussion and good electric bass using my 58's analog stereo and analog multi-channel jacks, I thought the BDP-320 had a wider frequency response. I still find it hard to believe considering the specs on the 58. Who knows. Maybe I'm listening the wrong way. Could it be that the extra bass I'm hearing on the 320 is the result of some artificial bass boost Pioneer chose to implement? Even though I'm now using stock firmware on the DV-58AV, could an EQ setting have been written to the EEPROM when I was running Hkan's firmware on it?
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post #1020 of 1053
9/30/10 at 6:19pm
do any of ya'll guys have good experiences with refurb units? i miight get this for $170 refurb

does pioneer also fix up any blemishes, or scratches on the unit itself? wanna get this on ebay, but the guy told me he cant open, inspect it for me, cos its sealed

170 sounds good, but i wonder what condition its in.

spanx guys

~krissy~
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