eD Owner's Thread - Page 49

It's all opinion and I think based on your receiver, your room acoustics, and of course, your ear. I first tried the Ascend 340s in my room with my receiver and my ear. They sounded great. I had no problem with them. I then found the eD thread and began reading all the great reviews. At the time I was looking into them (2007), the cost of the eDs were considerably less expensive than the Ascends. So, I tried the eDs, knowing that I could return them. After trying them out, I preferred them much more than the Ascends, which is why I kept the eDs and did not go with the Ascends. You can't go wrong either way though.

yeah opinions are like butt holes everyone got one. LOL

But here is a pro review of A6 6t6 he was not impressed with the build quality also.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...designs-a6-6t6

Here you will find many awards and reviews of the 340 SE speakers

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...roreviews.html


Also Tony if you will recall I said for him to go for the W6 - 6TC from ED. Yes I have nice NAD gear. I have also had many nice speakers in my home Magnepan, B&W, Definitive Technology,Klipsch etc. I like the sound of the 340 and will upgrade to the Sierra 1. Are the best speakers ? No Are the best to my ears and pocket ? Yes

But if you look inside the speakers at the quality of the drivers and crossover I don't think the speakers are in the same class.

Hell for that matter I would hold a blind test since I have access to both speakers. I think that might even be fun.

Marc

You can also find reviews praising ed towers saying that there is nothing in the price range that can match it, you have to find what suits you not the person reviewing the speaker because maybe he likes a completely different set of expectations, I listened to b&w 683s with a pio elite reciever in a treated room then ed towers with an old yamaha reciever in a horrible room for accoustcs due to shape and drop in ceiling and thought ed towers blew away the b&ws so it's all about prefernce

Once you get to a minimum level of quality, the differences between speakers of a similar type (size, power handling, frequency response) are grossly exaggerated. ED's 6T6 speakers are not going to come housed in mahogany cabinets treated with the sweat of 1000 virgins, but they are going to sound great and handle lots of power.

Like I said :

Opinions are like butt holes everyone got one.

Good or bad everyone got one.

"thought ed towers blew away the b&ws so it's all about prefernce"

I have never been able to hear "prefernce"

The B&W 68x speakers have won may awards all over the world in the hi-fi pro review world.

"You can also find reviews praising ed towers saying that there is nothing in the price range that can match it"

Yeah $ 500 dollar towers you might be right there are not any good towers in the 500 to your door by any good ID or BM high end brands that cheap!

So were can I find these awards and Pro reviews of the A6 6t6 ?

I have only seen one the one that I posted !

Bottom line the A6 6t6 are great sub 500 towers that have a lot of low end for the dollar. But the mid's were 90% music is are not up to par with even the W6 - 6TC that ED sales. But if you are getting a good sub spend more and get better highs and mid's. They are a great cheap Chinese import tower that ed offers as a entry level speaker.

I like them but for not much more money from ED, SVS, AV123,HSU or Ascend you can step up to higher class of sound.

But if you love hard rock or rap and just want loud they may be your "preference"


Marc

Ascends 340se are not good looking speakers. Hell the A6 6t6 look better on the outside. I will give you that much.

The bottom line....

David Fabrikant worked for M&K design speakers for them many of them the Star wars movies were mixed on them at the skywalker ranch.

He spent about 2 years working with SEAS of Norway getting the tweeters just right.

If you do not know who SEAS of Norway is look at how many 5,000 plus speakers use their drivers.

How many hours did ED work on getting the drivers just right ?

The answer is they did not !

It a Chinese import that they get shipped to them that they resale to you with a markup.

Yes Dave imports his drivers and put them together in the good old usa. Hell he looks at ever b stock that goes out the door. The ascends have better designs and insides.

Go to this page and look at the insides of the A6 6t6 does that look like quality ?

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...d-measurements

Then go here....
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...t340mtech.html

For $18 more you can get the 340se they are on sale ! The stands are 100 more also. So for about $ 118 more you get years of hard work by a speaker designer that been doing this longer than some of the people at Ed have been alive.

That how I would spend my money.

Marc

"I defy you to find a speaker that outperforms the A6's overall at this price point." that is out of your review, dont know if you made it past the first paragraph or not but thats from the end

Can you not read yes they are good for 500 towers but spend a little more and get a better speaker!

Hands down get a pro review 6t6 vs 340 I don't think the 6t6 would ever come out on top. They compare the 340's to $1000 to $1500 speakers. He is just saying if you only have 500 you could not do better.

From the same paragraph at the end....got read the whole paragraph not just the parts you like !

"I'm tempted to make grandiose claims about the imaging but I won't. If you're on a budget and or perhaps looking for your first pair of speakers, you could do a lot worse than the A6-6T6s."

but the person that asked about the 6t6 vs 340 has the money to get better speakers.

Yes unlike some on here I can read and write !

But also know and can see quality Speakers !

I have been into hi-fi audio for over 25 years and have had many speakers and have paid way to much for less.

Yes the ED 6T6 are good $ 500 towers !

Better than 340 se or B&W 683 only in the minds of people that can or have not been around true high end systems.

I love ED subs...

Getting one of the new sealed one been talking to them for months about getting the right sealed sub from them.

I 'm not bashing ED or their 6T6 they are the best $ 500 new to your door towers you can find.

Marc

like you said man opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and to other people theirs might stink so to each his own, also in the future don't comment on someone experience you don't know, never know when it will come around and bite you in the ass just a thought

what has ?
"it will come around and bite you in the ass just a thought"

I answer ThomasAV that asked a good question then a bunch of ED fanboy's some of them could not even spell or use spell check jumped me and told me I did not know what I was talking about.

I have had the 6T6 in my own home with my 340's and had about 4 people check them out and they all like the 340's better. Hell the owner is going to sell them to get some 340's and wish he had come and check out my 340's first. I told him about their good subs so he got the speakers also. Hell I was happy he did I want to hear them. I sent him to ED ! I have never said they were bad speakers ! I just said you could do better for not much more money. Also the awards and many other PRO reviews speak for themselves.

Someone asked a good question that I had first hand testing with in my home and since this is a ED owners thread and I did not have the same glowing review of them the ED fanboy's jumped me. News flash there are better speakers than the 6T6 towers and ED sells them. Call and ask Alex what the best speakers they sell are and that have the best drivers! It will not be the 6T6 towers !

No one has answer any of my facts about only one pro review of the speakers or how they are some speaker that they import and resale !

Do they sound better than 340SE hell order yourself some and test them in your home on your gear. They have a 30 day money back offer !


So I will stay out of your thread.....


But know you know the truth.....


Marc

Dude, you're in the wrong thread (although thankfully it appears you've finally realized it). The thread for the guys who spend $7k on cables and get blue in the face if a tweeter dome deviates more than 10 microns from being a perfect half-dome is over there...

Ok first of all razorback, they A6's are made in the Phillipines, not China!


And secondly, why are you comparing pricing of a tower speaker to a bookshelf speaker? Of course the bookshelf speaker is going to provide better bang for the buck!


I have both the A6 towers and the MTM and for under 1300 shipped to get 2towers, a center and a badazz sub that sounds amazing is good enough for me. And its good enough for a lot of people.

Man I hate all of the arguing that goes along with this hobby, makes me not even want to get on the forums. The internet has plenty of it no matter where you go, but it's really a shame here. I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering all there is to know about tech.

I know more than you... mine is better than yours... people constantly restating their qualifications... etc

Jeez.

As of yesterday, I officially joined the eD owner crew . Since they are somewhat in my backyard, ok, more like 125 miles away, but still in the same state, so I decided to stop down there so I could check it out first hand. Alex was nice enough to take me on a tour of the shop, and explain how everything worked, very cool. I got to see quite a few subs in various stages to see how they all come together from the cnc machine to the paint booth. I've built quite a few sub boxes for spl vehicles and even set a state record last year (Midwest spl) so it was interesting to see the construction and how beefy they are. Beefy is putting it mildly, these things are STOUT, I was very impressed!

After the tour, Alex took me into the demo room to check out the speakers while watching a few different movies (on a side note after watching the Kingdom of Heaven there, I decided I really need to get that on Blu-Ray). I ended up getting three of the A6 - 6T6 - MTM, and two of the A3 - 5TC. They also had the diy subwoofer kit in their demo room, it sounded very good for a sealed setup. I'm just waiting on the mounts and wiring for my setup so I cant really say much about the speakers themselves other than what I witnessed in the demo room, which I obviously liked. Now I just need to decide on a subwoofer, which is almost impossible with all the options eD has. If they don't have what you want they will either help you build it or build it for you, very helpful and friendly people.

If anyone else has a chance to stop in and check the place out, I highly recommend it. Alex was very helpful and very knowledgeable about all the products they offer, pretty rare in sales people nowadays, unfortunately. When I figure out which way I want to go for a sub, I'll be back for more.

Same here, I stopped in to look for info on the A6-6T6 center channel since I'm thinking of getting one, and all I find is people saying that my stuff is awesome and your stuff is junk.

I didn't read through the entire thread but wanted to offer the following: don't know if it would work in your layout or not. I purchased (7) of the W6's and an A5-350 and have been quite impressed with the sound. The equipment is set up in a "temporary" location pending construction of my dedicated theater. I liked the idea of having identical speakers throughout and eventually will have the three fronts behind an SMX screen. The w6's are quite beautiful and with a great fit and finish, it's too bad they won't be seen someday. I am driving them effortlessly with a Denon AVR-1909! Pick something and enjoy them, eD is quite accomodating and Alex will work through your selection with you if you ask!

Don't get too caught up with those that chime in with the "mine is better than yours attitude or opinion". Bottom line, go listen to products or better yet, listen to them in your space to get a true representation of what they will sound like. Purchase what YOU think sounds the best. Likely 95% of you quality time with your equipment will be solo or with your significant other who likely doesn't care one way or another... If your buddies or your peers swear the only way to go is with a certain make or model or certain price level beware. Do your research from trusted sources including those buddies and peers and "bite the bullet". You will likely be happy with your choice and if not you can always change in the future. You can get a very good sounding system for minimal cash investment these days. There does come a point where many EXTRA dollars spent doesn't necessarily yield a proportional return as in any topic you speak about. Just my 2 cents worth!

Seeing all this bickering I thought I should chime in to clear the air on a couple things.

The cabinets are not made in China, and are far from just an off the shelf design. We are very close with our vendor who makes these products. Our relationship is almost family like.

The speakers used in this design are also not off the shelf parts. The speakers in these towers, and our other full range products are our own toolings. This makes the speakers exclusive to our product and not used by any other company. It took time to develop and mold the speakers and tweeter to our design implementations and target price point. Adding steel and magnet to the speakers for the sake of looking better, but not offering a performance increase, only cost wasnt something that we wanted to do.

As for the tweeter, a reviewer once stated a possible flaw in the tweeter and frequency response, possibly caused from crossover design. We actually spent quite some time in working on this, we even sent an engineer overseas and found, that measurements dont always tell you how a speaker sound. Me tried different crossover components, and different tweeters, but found the original design to sound the best with the targeted price point and goals.

Ive never really heard anyone describe the A6 speakers as bright. Unlike what the FR graph would depict.

Sound reproduction from speakers are personal preference, as you stated. Tony liked his A6 speakers better than the other speakers being mentioned. It really comes down to what someone likes. As Nels mentioned, he liked the A6 speaker better than the more expensive B&W. That doesn't mean that we make better speakers than them, just that our product worked out for some customers in their applications, and listening preference.

Another thing about reviews that 90% of people do not realize, is that its advertisement. Not all cases, but a large majority of reviews are paid for. This is what makes reviews not always the holy grail of comparisons. This is why you wont find many reviews on our products. In the long run, you as a customer has to pay for that advertising in product markup. We try to keep that cost out. We do this by letting our customers do the reviews and spread the word based on their buying experience.

Importing cabinets are not an uncommon thing to do, especially when customers want a lower price point. Especially when you are looking at lower cost high end finishes, such as the W6- 6TC's. I would guess Ascend does this as well.

As for whats better between the A6-6T6 and W6-6TC's. It really comes down to your budget, sound quality goals, size requirements, and output. Some people are willing to sacrifice loudness, and spend a little more. The W6-6TC's are for them. Others are willing to sacrifice sound quality for more impact and output, the A6-6T6's are for them. What do I have in my house? A6-6T6 towers.

Jake.

Thank you once again for the visit. I loved being able to show you around. Feel free to swing down whenever. This offer is also open to anyone else. We love giving tours, and demos. We are actually having an open house July 24th-26th. If anyone is interested in attending, or more information, please feel free to shoot me a PM.

I will post up some more information on the speaker cabinets in a bit as well.

Here is a 3D drawing of the A6-6T6 towers, showing the internal bracing, and separated mid/tweeter chamber from the bottom half of the cabinet.

The cabinets also have blocks secured in the corners, and around the internal bracing to increase the rigidness of the cabinet.

Each chamber also has the appropriate amount of stuffing. Something not usually seen in lower cost Chinese imports.

I found razorback's assertions a little ridiculous. The main point of owning eD towers, and really any of their speakers/subs, is that you are not going to find a better sounding speaker at the price point. If you could spend more then obviously the speaker options open up. Saying "spend more" is generally not an option for the budget conscious.

One thing I absolutely do not agree with is anyone saying B&W 683s are good because of the awards they won. I've tested them and I would NEVER buy them. The first B&W I would even consider is the 700 series and even those I probably would not buy at the price point. With B&W you have to step quite a bit up their speaker lines to get what you should imo. Their lower end speakers lack balance between their tweeter, mid-range, and bass. What they give you is their insanely awesome, warm, clear, mid-range drivers, but the rest isn't balanced with them. So if you are comparing the 340s in similarity to the 683s you struck right out for me. I wouldn't want them based on my experience with 683s.

Anyone reading this thread that is in the hunt for budget speakers is welcome to search back this thread for my mini review if they want some comparisons between high end speakers and eDs.

I've had my 5.1 eD setup for over a year now. Everyday I turn it on I'm convinced I made an excellent choice given the budget I had. I know that pretty much anyone that buys them will feel the same way. I'm not saying this to prop up my purchase ego either. They really are that good for the price. I'm a DJ and my ears are extremely sensitive and selective as far as sound quality. There is not a prayers chance in h*** I'd rep something that was below my expectations.

After owning the eD towers for over a year and and recently upgraded to the bigger 6T6 MTM center from an older A6-5T5, I would definitely give a thumb up to these speakers for great dynamics for movies. The A6-6T6s are probably the probably one of the best value towers on the market currently at $500 shipped.

One notice I have after owning the newer A6-6T6 MTM center for about 2 months, is it me or the tweeter is a little different from the original A6-6T6 towers? The center actually is slightly more detailed to my ears than the towers. Anyone else noticed this? I looked at eD's site and it seems that the 6T6 MTM seems to have a newer (or slightly modified) tweeter than the eD towers. Any reason why?

I'm in the process of building an office rig for my new PC. Currently I'm using a Klipsch Ultra Promedia 5.1 setup. I figure since I have a new rig, why not go with something more upscale for my audio. How would a pair of 5T5s with a A2-300 sound for an office rig? I'll probably drive everything off a Pioneer VSX 819 since they are under 200 on Amazon. Would this AVR perform well with these speakers/sub or do I need more power? Any input would be highly appreciated. Thanks

Lol for a PC that's overkill... Not that there's anything wrong with that! Im currently running my A6t6 towers + a6t6 MTM through a 20 year old pioneer VSX 4900S with no sub (yet) and its LOUUUUD. I don't think you need more power, as I'm planning on buying a similar amp to what you have right now.

eD's subs are all powered so you only need to worry about the rest of the speakers being powered from the AVR. The eD sub will be an absolute monster for you. A definite upgrade.

Those Klipsch Ultra Promedias are really good comp speakers. Way to bright imo, but really good speakers never the less. The 5T5s power handling is more than double the Klipsch's. If you are looking for more volume then they would be a good fit.

I dont think you need any more power for an office setup.

What size room is this in?

The A2-300 might even be too large depending on the room size.

It's my private office, room is roughly 10x12x8.5, not big at all. I was thinking 10 inch sub with the 5T5s should suffice, unclutter the desk too since I have 5 speakers surrounding me and sound good while at it.

I would opt for a sealed eD sub using the e5.10, if possible.

Our sealed 10" subwoofer is now a reality.

Its a 10" with 300 watts RMS.

Really neat little unit, and we have been very happy with it during prototyping.

Just an update for anybody considering these speakers....

I've been using mine for almost 2 years. They sound amazing. They still amaze everybody who hears them. People who first heard them a year and a half ago are still "wow'd" when we put in a movie. I couldn't be happier with my purchase!

Onkyo 805
6T6 MTM Towers
6T6 center and rears.
A5-350 w/ upgraded amp Subwoofer.

Tom

Wow,

Its been pretty dead over here lately.

I think there will be some more talk soon. We are doing some higher end cinema speakers pretty soon for a guy on here. Its gonna be a neat project.