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post #1771 of 2079
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

After speaking with Carp I am very interested in the Cinema 12's. I was all set to buy a complete Klipsch Ultra2 setup, minus the subwoofers, but my source dried up so no longer a good option. Does anyone have any experience or thoughts comparing the two. Thanks

Jason

I owned both and go with the eD's.
post #1772 of 2079
I have owned both as well...and, like Mk, I would chose the ed 12's over the kl-650's.
post #1773 of 2079
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

still have the klipsch center until I get the new ed[c]12 center

Nezff, how do the ed's compare to the Klipsch you replaced?
I'd be interested in any of your thoughts.
post #1774 of 2079
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Originally Posted by bill1908 View Post


Nezff, how do the ed's compare to the Klipsch you replaced?
I'd be interested in any of your thoughts.

Definitely warmer and not fatiguing at all. I'm definitely liking them. The compression driver is great.
post #1775 of 2079
So yesterday I had some time to watch a few movies (Master and Commander and The reurn of the Planet of the Apes) and get some more gaming in. One thing I noticed since replacing my Polk Monitor 40's up front with the eD[c]12's is that my surrounds have seemed to come alive.

Is this because the eD's are more efficient which leaves more power for the amp to distribute to the rest of my speakers? BTW, I am only using some BA sattelite speakers from my MCS100 HTIB from a couple years ago (which I actually think are pretty good, when I took the grill off of them I was surprised to see they have phase plugs on the 3-1/2" woofers).
post #1776 of 2079
post #1777 of 2079
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Short review:

My first listen Immediately surprised me why I had pretty much sold my klipsch before even hearing these speakers.

Confused. Did it surprise you or remind (?) you why you sold your Klipsch....
post #1778 of 2079
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Originally Posted by hoffmand34 View Post

Confused. Did it surprise you or remind (?) you why you sold your Klipsch....

sorry, typing on my iPad. corrected.
post #1779 of 2079
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I owned both and go with the eD's.

MK & Mrcoop,
Thanks for your suggestion. Is there anyway you can breifly describe the differences between the Ed Cinema 12's and the Klipsch KL650's. I have also owned the Triple 12's but have since downsized. Are the Ed's close to the T12's.

I also wanted to ask about another option that just opened up for me. The Atlantic Technology 8200E's. Have either of you had any experience with them.

I appreciate your help. I live in Las Vegas and the local stores, all one of them, does not carry these. Thanks

Jason
post #1780 of 2079
Here is a somewhat in depth review on the cinemas.

http://forum.edesignaudio.com/showth...24170&posted=1
post #1781 of 2079
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

MK & Mrcoop,
Thanks for your suggestion. Is there anyway you can breifly describe the differences between the Ed Cinema 12's and the Klipsch KL650's. I have also owned the Triple 12's but have since downsized. Are the Ed's close to the T12's.

I also wanted to ask about another option that just opened up for me. The Atlantic Technology 8200E's. Have either of you had any experience with them.

I appreciate your help. I live in Las Vegas and the local stores, all one of them, does not carry these. Thanks

Jason

The t12 does much better...more oomph in the lower octaves, but very similar in the upper end...the t12 is definitley better but costing much more. With the kl-650, the ed, IMO, is far better in the dynamics/clarity and was better in the lower end...I definitley think the ed is better sounding/value product then the kl-650.

I also have played my t8's at an extended period of time at reasonable levels and now find myself absolutely loving them...the lower end seems to be greatly improved...not sure why but playing the same material when I first got them and now playing the same material, the sound is more then marginally better then the ed12...the bass is more prominent...with that being said, I wish I had the ed12 now to compare the 2, but I think the margin has gotten wider betweeen the t8 and ed12.

FYI, I did direct comparisons in the same location with the same material at the same volume...I directly compared the kl-650 to the ed12...and the t8 and t12 to the ed12. I had both in my possesion when comparing and was not done by memory....but still take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I have no experience with the at's but have heard good things about them...pricey tho.
post #1782 of 2079
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Originally Posted by mrcoop View Post

The t12 does much better...more oomph in the lower octaves, but very similar in the upper end...the t12 is definitley better but costing much more. With the kl-650, the ed, IMO, is far better in the dynamics/clarity and was better in the lower end...I definitley think the ed is better sounding/value product then the kl-650.

I also have played my t8's at an extended period of time at reasonable levels and now find myself absolutely loving them...the lower end seems to be greatly improved...not sure why but playing the same material when I first got them and now playing the same material, the sound is more then marginally better then the ed12...the bass is more prominent...with that being said, I wish I had the ed12 now to compare the 2, but I think the margin has gotten wider betweeen the t8 and ed12.

FYI, I did direct comparisons in the same location with the same material at the same volume...I directly compared the kl-650 to the ed12...and the t8 and t12 to the ed12. I had both in my possesion when comparing and was not done by memory....but still take my opinion a grain of salt.

granted, I have never heard the triple 12s, but almost $1800 more than a set of cinemas, that was a easy decision for me.

I thought about getting JTR speakers, but the price pushed me away. Plus as coop said, the low end might be better, but you will be crossing them over at 80hz anyway, plus you dont need low end from a tower speaker if you have substantial subs like the mini fridges I have now.
post #1783 of 2079
How much more did you pay for the tower look vs the standard? You can pm me if you don't want to post it. I think they look great. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

granted, I have never heard the triple 12s, but almost $1800 more than a set of cinemas, that was a easy decision for me.

I thought about getting JTR speakers, but the price pushed me away. Plus as coop said, the low end might be better, but you will be crossing them over at 80hz anyway, plus you dont need low end from a tower speaker if you have substantial subs like the mini fridges I have now.
post #1784 of 2079
Loving the towers, they get surprisingly low... I cross them over at 40hz. Mid range is very defined and my favorite part is the highs are clear but laid back unlike something along the lines of a polk. If you want bright and sparkly these aren't for you, if you want something that has great laid back highs that wont give you fatigue after a long listening session the a6.ts are a great choice. I've watched everything from sweeny todd the demon barber to cloverfield to lord of the rings trilogy and these things haven't missed a beat. My only complaint I wish they had more midbass punch but this could just be my receiver's fault. 100 watt el cheapo receiver and these are rated for 250 watts. Overall well worth the $400 I paid for them.
post #1785 of 2079
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Originally Posted by Fishpoke View Post

Loving the towers, they get surprisingly low... I cross them over at 40hz. Mid range is very defined and my favorite part is the highs are clear but laid back unlike something along the lines of a polk. If you want bright and sparkly these aren't for you, if you want something that has great laid back highs that wont give you fatigue after a long listening session the a6.ts are a great choice. I've watched everything from sweeny todd the demon barber to cloverfield to lord of the rings trilogy and these things haven't missed a beat. My only complaint I wish they had more midbass punch but this could just be my receiver's fault. 100 watt el cheapo receiver and these are rated for 250 watts. Overall well worth the $400 I paid for them.

You gotta cross over higher! I bet you would get much improved mid-bass assuming you have a good sub.
post #1786 of 2079
I have mine at 80hz
post #1787 of 2079
I had the upgraded eD CD and woofer and it was just as good as the triple 8 with vocals and highs and better for Midbass than the triple 8. The triple 8 was sealed and much smaller so that was a big plus. My eD did just fine at 80hz but still not going to compare to the subs.
post #1788 of 2079
I had the t8 ported. Maybe thats why i felt slightly more in the mid bass compared to the ed12 then your sealed t8.
post #1789 of 2079
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Originally Posted by mrcoop View Post

I had the t8 ported. Maybe thats why i felt slightly more in the mid bass compared to the ed12 then your sealed t8.

Well not just that, I also had a better woofer in my eD too!
post #1790 of 2079
I also had the DE-250 upgrade.
post #1791 of 2079
How much are those upgrades? I know its 75 for the compresion driver.
post #1792 of 2079
remember crossover workup will change and add cost.
post #1793 of 2079
It was $300 total per speaker.
post #1794 of 2079
Does anyone have pictures of the slants. Mine have been delivered but I won't be able to see them till the end of May. Should have been the end of this month but now I'm not able to get home till the end of May.
post #1795 of 2079
Alex and Bretts description of their speaker lines:

Section 1:

A.series:
These were designed to provide an amazing value for those making the first step either into HT or as they stepped away from an HTIB system. They feature a full sound with a neutral silk dome tweeter that may seem a bit "Relaxed" compared to some of the lower cost options out there that use a metal tweeter. Offering a full sound that reaches down with the towers pretty easily to 60 Hz they can fill most rooms without being over bearing unless asked to be with the proper amount of power. Form factor wise from the smallest options in the A4 speakers all the way to the A6 speakers they are tonal matches and can be mixed and matched to find the best size for the room.

DL Series:

The step up to the DL series offers quite a bit in terms of output, accuracy, and low end extension from the A.series lineup. These were designed to offer a pretty hefty bottom end presence from not only the towers but also the bookshelf speakers and center as well. Across the line they are generally surprising in terms of low end output for the cost and form factor. The silk radiating ring tweeter was chosen as it provided a great balance point with the mid and woofers used to create an accurate sound stage with added depth over the A6 lineup. This allows more accurate reproduction of the listening material, and is the first step of the lineup to really start to show the listener the difference between a good recording, and a sub par recording when they are reproducing it. In that regards you'll find quite a few listeners moving away from lower bitrate digital content as it becomes easier to pick up the nuances of loss.

EL Series:
Pretty much the flagship of the traditional speaker designs. These feature a three way design with a dedicated dome midrange driver. These were the first to feature a full hand built crossover right here in Newton, Iowa. Everything was done for these to be featured as the flagship design, the choice of drivers was intricately done to provide a smooth linear response that stays extremely distortion free even at higher output levels. The cabinet design was built to be extremely solid and well braced, thus cutting down on cabinet resonance. They are large in size and make a presence in room without even playing, but they will disappear in a well recorded soundtrack. Transparent is their nature, if it was well mastered they present the sound stage as was the sound engineer designed. A poorly recorded/mastered track will become all the more apparent that care was not taken with that track. Well adapt at both music and movies they are often seen in 2 channel stereo setups as well as full 7 channel surround systems.
This is the speaker that I've seen comments from customers about how their wife thought they broke a glass in the room when it happened in a movie they were watching.

Section 2:

eD[c]inema Series:

This lineup fits into a little different of design setting, as it is meant to be a high efficiency design featuring the directive nature of a horn/waveguide on the top end. Smooth, efficient, neutral, and up-gradable to match more demanding listening. Honestly it is hard for me to put into words a lot of what this series means/represents for me as I'm the main designer with this lineup. They offer a movie/concert experience right in your home, the efficient nature of them does require a subwoofer for the lower octaves (generally 70-80 Hz on down but with enough power on hand a pair of the eD[c]12s can shake walls in a 15'x15' room). Music, movies, video games, and every other content was thrown at these during the development process to ensure that the design stayed as far away from the negative connotations of horn loaded compression drivers as possible. They are very well balanced with the crossover design done exclusively here in Newton, each model has its own unique design to give them the best performance and ability to blend together as possible. These will actually be replacing my A6.towers over the next month or so as well. The Cinema lineup is transparent, they offer no coloration to the material and stage extremely well but they aren't as forgiving as the A6 and DL speakers with poorly recorded material. Good sounds good, great sounds great, poor sounds poor. Just as a speaker should, the goal like the EL is to be transparent in the room and sound as the material reproduces and I feel that in those terms these two share quite a bit.


Overall:

A.Series: Great intro speaker that offers one hell of a bang for the buck.
DL.Series: Beautiful step up from the A.series in what it offers in both output and performance.
EL.Series: The Flagship. Clear, Concise, and Transparent. Content as the sound engineer designed.
Cinema Series: Transparent and efficient. Looking for Movie Theater or Concert performance and levels at home, this would be the place to look.

All of the lineups have their benefits depending on the end goals, if you have any questions please let us know.
post #1796 of 2079
Section 2:

eD[c]inema Series:

"Honestly it is hard for me to put into words a lot of what this series means/represents for me as I'm the main designer with this lineup."


Brett (if you read this), I'm so glad you guys came up with these speakers. When I was looking for new speakers my ultimate goal (stated it here more than once on avs) was a speaker that gave me a similar sound quality to my Maggies while at the same time having great dynamics for movies and none of the other issues with Maggies like how the sound is very directional, falls apart when you stand up, etc.

You have designed the very speaker I was looking for and for a very reasonable price. Thanks!!
post #1797 of 2079
agreed Carp!
post #1798 of 2079
You guys are famous. Got this in my newsletter today.

The c12 is now on my list for potential future upgrades, along with T12s and Catalysts.

post #1799 of 2079
Carp and I will be signing autographs
post #1800 of 2079
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Carp and I will be signing autographs

Haha, nice!!

Seriously though Nezff, I remember you posting something about you liking the eD's better than you Klipsch and me better than my Maggies.

Pretty impressive, it's like they combined the good qualities of both speakers and left out the bad.
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