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post #301 of 1469
I kind of wanted to stick with a htpc case that would fit in with my other home theater equipment, but at the same time dont want to spend that much money on it. And as far as controlling this htpc with my main computer, I do a lot of download of movies and music files. I guess I could set it up so I can get an external HD and move the files that way. I just thought that there is an easy way to do it wirelessly at a decent speed. So some more recommendations if you guys dont mind. And one other question, do I need to get a different cooling stuff for the cpu or can I just go with the supplied cooling fan?
post #302 of 1469
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Originally Posted by verbage2 View Post

Uggh, made the leap to buy this mobo after looking around quite a bit, but I missed the requirement that the DDR2 be 1.8V. Yeah, I read lots of reviews for lots of different components, and didn't find this forum/thread till just now, so that's why I overlooked the 1.8V requirement.

Anyway, I am wondering if it is totally futile to even consider the RAM that I bought. In particular, I bought Patriot brand 2.2V compatible RAM.

Gigabyte lists compatible RAM on their web site:

http://www.gigabyte.us/Products/Moth...ProductID=2547

Click on Memory Support List

PS The reviews on the Newegg site for the motherboard also mentioned the 1.8V RAM issue... I think that one or two mentioned using other RAM that worked nonetheless...
post #303 of 1469
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Originally Posted by Vietcu View Post

I kind of wanted to stick with a htpc case that would fit in with my other home theater equipment, but at the same time dont want to spend that much money on it.

If you read the thread, a lot of us are using the Antec NSK-2480 HT case.

It can be had for $79 including a well regarded power supply of 380 watts.

The one problem when using this motherboard with that case is that the SATA jacks point straight at an internal wall. Earlier in the thread you can find a picture of how some people have cut a hole in the internal metal wall to access the jacks, and you can find another picture at:

http://www.billyjackzone.com/wp-cont.../11/htpc10.jpg

However, I recently removed the motherboard to do some reconfiguration on the case and discovered an easier alternative to cutting a hole.

I don't currently own the sort of Dremel tool required to cut a hole (I tried a power drill, and it only made a dent - the metal is surprisingly good quality. )

So, I looked at the situation, and had an idea.

NOTE: When doing any metal work, it is important to wear protective goggles, because bits of metal can fly into your eyes.

I took out a hammer and small chisel, and sliced off the exposed ends of two rivets that were holding that internal wall - in the following picture, you can see one of the rivets in the vertical edge just to the right of the SATA jacks, and the other one is underneath where the SATA jacks are in the picture.

You should put a piece of tape over the heads of the rivets, especially the one that is in the optical drive compartment, so that it does not fly out and get stuck in some crevice, where it will later emerge and short out your power supply or motherboard. You can do the same with the visible ends of the rivets, or just be sure to retrieve them.

Anyway, when those two rivets are gone, some light hammer blows to the part of the wall that is cut out in the picture, will push that end away (maybe half an inch), but the wall will still be entirely intact.

UPDATE: I have now reinstalled the motherboard, and the rivet-popping technique worked really well. There is even enough room to insert the SATA plugs after the motherboard is installed.
post #304 of 1469
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Originally Posted by Vietcu View Post

I kind of wanted to stick with a htpc case that would fit in with my other home theater equipment, but at the same time dont want to spend that much money on it. And as far as controlling this htpc with my main computer, I do a lot of download of movies and music files. I guess I could set it up so I can get an external HD and move the files that way. I just thought that there is an easy way to do it wirelessly at a decent speed. So some more recommendations if you guys dont mind. And one other question, do I need to get a different cooling stuff for the cpu or can I just go with the supplied cooling fan?

In addition to a 500gig eSata drive I put together, I bought 2 of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817392010

So I can use one computer for all my downloads and just swap out the drive and put it into the other. I bought the Sata model so it is fairly fast (well, the 2.5 drive isn't extremely fast, but good enough). Presently, I have a 80dig drive in 1 and waiting for prices to come down before I get a 160 gig drive for the other.
post #305 of 1469
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Originally Posted by A_Dude View Post

Gigabyte lists compatible RAM on their web site:
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PS The reviews on the Newegg site for the motherboard also mentioned the 1.8V RAM issue... I think that one or two mentioned using other RAM that worked nonetheless...

Thanks, A_Dude, for your reply. Yeah, after realizing the 1.8V issue, I read through the supported memory list on the Gigabyte website, but unfortunately, it is pretty incomplete given the tons of modules that exist in real life. Plus, I'm not sure it's terribly trustworthy as according to one of the Newegg reviews by "joewee" some of the modules listed in that doc don't actually work with the board.

I admit this is totally my fault as I did browse through all the Newegg reviews for the product, but the 1.8V issue didn't click in my mind probably because I had spec/review brain overload from the multiple options I was considering.

Do you happen to know what degree of adjustment is possible via the special Ctrl-F1 screen in the BIOS? Thanks if you can help.
post #306 of 1469
Just placed my order for the components.

WD caviar 500gb, and AMD x2 6000 combo for 254.98 at newegg

the Gigabyte MB for 79.99 at newegg

G.SKill 2 gb memory for 55.00 at newegg

Antec nsk2480 case at Zipzoomfly for 89.99, free shipping plus 30 rebate.

Total for purchase so far is 479.96 + shipping of 6.33 totaling 486.29

So far so good. Hopefully once I get the components I dont have that hard a time getting everything set up. Only concern that I have now is my monitor for the pc I am using currently is not dvi. Its the old vga connection, does this mb accept vga?
post #307 of 1469
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Originally Posted by Vietcu View Post

Only concern that I have now is my monitor for the pc I am using currently is not dvi. Its the old vga connection, does this mb accept vga?

This MB supports EVERYTHING
post #308 of 1469
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Originally Posted by verbage2 View Post

Is anybody out there running this board with 2.2V DDR2? Or will it really only work with 1.8V DIMMs?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

I could not get to post with Corsair 2.2V. YMMV

I bought a pair of gig sticks of G.Skill DDR2 800 from the egg at an unbelievable price. I was a little wary of "bargain" RAM, but I could not be happier with this stuff. The only issue that I ran into was having to put them in slots 3 + 4 to enable DDR. On first boot I could only get 1 stick recognized in slots 1 + 2. (does this feel backwards to anyone else?)
post #309 of 1469
Yeah, i posted awhile back on this. I was having video playback issues when I first put my pc together until I realized my RAM was not in dual channel mode. Every board I have worked on in the past has had a layout of 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 (rather than the 1,2 or 3,4 on this board).
post #310 of 1469
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Originally Posted by yankees17 View Post

Yeah, i posted awhile back on this. I was having video playback issues when I first put my pc together until I realized my RAM was not in dual channel mode. Every board I have worked on in the past has had a layout of 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 (rather than the 1,2 or 3,4 on this board).

Honestly I would have done the same thing (1,3 & 2,4) but since it was a HTPC I read the book for the first time in years. Go figure.
post #311 of 1469
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Originally Posted by verbage2 View Post

Is anybody out there running this board with 2.2V DDR2? Or will it really only work with 1.8V DIMMs?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Its very YMMV. I have 4 sticks of 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 running on this board without issues. They're supposed to be rated for 2.2v. I'm running at stock timings.
post #312 of 1469
It was a good read though, easiest MB manual read I have ever had. I remember the engrish I used to wade through back in 96 learning how to build my first computer
post #313 of 1469
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Originally Posted by hiperco View Post

This MB supports EVERYTHING

EXCEPT HD-DVD and Blu-ray playback. I had to resort to putting my HD2400 pro back into my computer, because the on-board video just does not have the capability to play these formats (and I'm using software decoding in both instances). Using the MOBO video, HD-DVDs and Blu-rays were slide shows. With the HD2400, the discs played fine. I'm using a 6000+ CPU and 2 GB of Corsair memory.

If you're looking for a simplified setup to play HD-DVD and Blu-ray, this MOBO is NOT the solution (and it's basically the only reason I bought it, because of it's HDMI output).
post #314 of 1469
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Originally Posted by jcruse View Post

EXCEPT HD-DVD and Blu-ray playback. I had to resort to putting my HD2400 pro back into my computer, because the on-board video just does not have the capability to play these formats (and I'm using software decoding in both instances). Using the MOBO video, HD-DVDs and Blu-rays were slide shows. With the HD2400, the discs played fine. I'm using a 6000+ CPU and 2 GB of Corsair memory.

If you're looking for a simplified setup to play HD-DVD and Blu-ray, this MOBO is NOT the solution (and it's basically the only reason I bought it, because of it's HDMI output).

Let me start by stating I'm not trying to start an argument

Firstly, my comment was directed towards the fact that this MB has pretty much every type of video output known to man (VGA, DVI, HDMI, Component, S-video).

Secondly, you made a blanket statement that I'm sure reflects your personal experience with this board and HD-DVD and Blu-ray playback. However, it seems from reading this thread that some people have had some success with playback of high bitrate sources with the on-board video. (I have not tried myself). Probably is a matter of getting the right combination of software together....
post #315 of 1469
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Originally Posted by jcruse View Post

EXCEPT HD-DVD and Blu-ray playback. I had to resort to putting my HD2400 pro back into my computer, because the on-board video just does not have the capability to play these formats (and I'm using software decoding in both instances). Using the MOBO video, HD-DVDs and Blu-rays were slide shows. With the HD2400, the discs played fine. I'm using a 6000+ CPU and 2 GB of Corsair memory.

If you're looking for a simplified setup to play HD-DVD and Blu-ray, this MOBO is NOT the solution (and it's basically the only reason I bought it, because of it's HDMI output).


Starting at post #27 Kapone has been using this MOBO for HD disk playback. I am waiting on the dual drive but so far this board as done everything it's suppose to with no issues. Did you use PowerDvD? What did you try that did not work for you?

Just making sure that I do nothing that would prevent the MOBO from working for HD/Blu-ray play back.
post #316 of 1469
Wytchone, you got to it before I could
post #317 of 1469
I have had no issues with mkvs from the HD up to 1080i with mediaportal/ffdshow. I have not used a standalone optical drive however.
post #318 of 1469
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

Starting at post #27 Kapone has been using this MOBO for HD disk playback. I am waiting on the dual drive but so far this board as done everything it's suppose to with no issues. Did you use PowerDvD? What did you try that did not work for you?

Just making sure that I do nothing that would prevent the MOBO from working for HD/Blu-ray play back.

While that's true for the most part, please understand that since ATI has no VC-1 acceleration for the onboard video, it's all software decoding, and even with an X2 5000 overclocked to 3GHz, the CPU usage is ~95% in Vista and ~80% in XP on PowerDVD 7.3 build 3319 (not f) on some of the more demanding disks. It does max out the CPU, and leaves no headroom for other things. Even chapter changing causes it to stutter for a moment. However, after the momentary stutter, it plays perfectly fine.
post #319 of 1469
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Originally Posted by kapone View Post

While that's true for the most part, please understand that since ATI has no VC-1 acceleration for the onboard video, it's all software decoding, and even with an X2 5000 overclocked to 3GHz, the CPU usage is ~95% in Vista and ~80% in XP on PowerDVD 7.3 build 3319 (not f) on some of the more demanding disks. It does max out the CPU, and leaves no headroom for other things. Even chapter changing causes it to stutter for a moment. However, after the momentary stutter, it plays perfectly fine.

Yeah I know just still making sure it works vs it won't unless you put in a new card is all. Gathering all the facts before I get the dual drive
post #320 of 1469
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Originally Posted by A_Dude View Post

3 - An "HD PC" is not used for gaming, and not used for multitasking. In order for it to be cool, quiet and inexpensive, it needs to use integrated graphics. These days, software decoding is cheaper, cooler, and much simpler than adding a HW-assist graphics board (and then having to spend hours getting the right PDVD update that still doesn't work right. ).



I do think a dual core is required, so I'm going to get the 4000+ and try OC-ing it using the Ctrl-F1 options - supposedly you can get 2.8ghz without much trouble, which should be more than enough for the 1.6 version of CoreAVC which is about to be released.

Okay, if the integrated graphics works for you, that's great...but an HTPC does not "need" to use integrated graphics to be cool, quiet, or even to be inexpensive.

And, overclocking is sort of a conflict of interest with those goals as well...

Ed
post #321 of 1469
In regards to the 1.8V memory issue, I also could not get the system to post with the Corsair XMS2 6400C4 memory (2.1V). The 1.8V Corsair Value Select worked fine as did the Crucial Ballistix 2.2V.
post #322 of 1469
All of the Blu-ray discs I've ripped to HD have played back flawlessly using an X2 6000+.

-MPC Home Cinema
-CoreAVC 1.5 for AVC/PowerDVD for MPEG2/System Default for VC1
-Haali
-FFDShow Audio for SPDIF out (settings are in the sticky post in this forum)
-FFDShow Video = disabled
-EVR

I don't care about Menus or features so I don't bother using PowerDVD as a player. I can use Haali to change the audio stream and the dinovo edge mouse to skip around in the movie so this setup suits me just fine.

That being said, there are plenty of ways to bugger up HD playback based on the software/settings you use.
post #323 of 1469
I can't comment on the blu-ray/hddvd playback, but I'm not having any issues at all with some pretty high bitrate 1080p mkv's. Some hover around the 12-15k range and my 5000 @ 3ghz seems to be chugging right along with about 40-50% cpu usage. I don't know if the actual optical media is that much different, but it'll be interesting to see. As for overclocking conflicting with cool and quiet, this is not entirely accurate. 2.6 to 3ghz is a moderate overclock that does wonders for the 1080p playback. This doesn't effect the noise level even a little bit, and the difference in temps is not enough to worry about at ~7c @ load. I have a cheap 8400gs on standby in case I have issues if/when I get the LG drive. We'll see when that day comes.
post #324 of 1469
Which OS is the most favorable for you guys with this MB setup? I have access to xp, mce05, and vista ultimate. Trying to figure out which OS I should go with.
post #325 of 1469
I'm really strongly considering this motherboard with either a 6000+ or 6400+ AMD X2 CPU.

I have a few questions/concerns:
1) Will I be able to play HD-DVDs and BluRays with the integrated video? Doesn't AVIVO do h/w processing for H.264/AVC/VC-1? Planning to get the combo optical drive.
2) If I upscale all my video content to 1920x1080i using ffdshow (is this even possible?), will hardware video processing/decoding still occur?
3) Windows XP Media Center Edition or Windows XP Vista x64? Which O/S works best with AVIVO and the drivers for this chipset?

Thanks
post #326 of 1469
How do you guys monitor the CPU temperature? Do you guys use the Gigabyte software or something else? Thanks!
post #327 of 1469
I use Vista Ultimate on both my htpc and main pc. I like the look of vista's mce better.

If you have the money, you should certainly get the fastest proc you can find. I went with the 5000 because I knew I would be able to overclock it a bit and hit 6000 speeds. As for the onboard being able to play BR/HDDVD, I don't know...some people are saying yes, some no. I don't have the LG drive yet, but my plan is to get it eventually. I have no problems playing 12-15k bitrate 1080p mkvs. There's zero hard ware acceleration here, its all cpu horsepower. I would assume that an optical drive with even a little bit of gpu help would probably play just fine, but that's just a guess. I thought that if you set your tv resolution to 1080p then just by nature, all your SD stuff is upscaled, but what do I know.

I use speedfan to watch my temps, but to be honest, I haven't in a while. I did some initial testing when I first put it together to make sure everything was running acceptably and haven't really checked it since.
post #328 of 1469
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Originally Posted by trainCatcer View Post

How do you guys monitor the CPU temperature? Do you guys use the Gigabyte software or something else? Thanks!

Yeah, I just use the Gigabyte EasyTune software to check my temps.
post #329 of 1469
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Originally Posted by daMaster View Post

I'm really strongly considering this motherboard with either a 6000+ or 6400+ AMD X2 CPU.

I have a few questions/concerns:
1) Will I be able to play HD-DVDs and BluRays with the integrated video? Doesn't AVIVO do h/w processing for H.264/AVC/VC-1? Planning to get the combo optical drive.
2) If I upscale all my video content to 1920x1080i using ffdshow (is this even possible?), will hardware video processing/decoding still occur?
3) Windows XP Media Center Edition or Windows XP Vista x64? Which O/S works best with AVIVO and the drivers for this chipset?

Thanks

1. Not 100% sure. We will have a better idea of this once some more people get their hands on the LG combo drive. Supposedly they will run smooth but at like 95% cpu utilization, so there is very little overhead.

2. All content is upscaled to the resolution of your display regardless of what software your using. If you use ffdshow, I believe you will not be able to take advantage of hardware acceleration.

3. I would stay away from the 64 bit OS. It is just not needed for htpc applications today, and will only cause more headaches trying to get 64 bit drivers working with everything.
post #330 of 1469
Hi all,

I'm pretty much in the same situation as daMaster: I'm almost certainly getting this board for my new build. I'm also pretty certain I'm going to be putting in the 5000+ Black edition to OC it (easy OC, little extra power consumption/heat). I read the whole thread, but still have a few questions myself (some relate to issues that were never really resolved).

1. I know many have said there is no hardware acceleration in Vista, but is there in XP?
2. Has anyone gotten HDMI and S/PDIF going at the same time?
3. Has anyone gotten 1360x768 to output either by VGA, DVI, or HDMI (or all three)?
4. Does anyone have any ideas how one would go about installing an OS on a computer with this board and no optical drive? Would a network install or an external hard drive source be easier? Or even possible?
5. ChaseArcher, were you able to fit the GeminII on this board in the NSK2480? I have both that cooler and that case already and was really hoping to use both.
6. Is anyone using ffdshow for postprocessing (resizing/sharpening/etc)?

In answer to daMaster, I'm almost certain upscaling in ffdshow can only be done progressively. Personally, I've never seen it produce interlaced, but it would interest me since one of my biggest ongoing HTPC headaches is having to choose between good hardware deinterlacing and ffdshow's postprocessing.

BTW free shipping started today at the Egg.
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