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post #1 of 24
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The WS Journal surprisingly did a story covering the "workaround" of buying BD excludes on HD DVD overseas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1192...googlenews_wsj

Xploited sure takes it on the chin as they get referred to as a "Gray Market" (a term usually reserved for illegal copies, not imports) While Amazon gets a free ride even though you can buy movie and music imports on their European & US sites.
post #2 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

The WS Journal surprisingly did a story covering the "workaround" of buying BD excludes on HD DVD overseas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1192...googlenews_wsj

Xploited sure takes it on the chin as they get referred to as a "Gray Market" (a term usually reserved for illegal copies, not imports) While Amazon gets a free ride even though you can buy movie and music imports on their European & US sites.

Yeah thats not fair to Xploited at all..... I have nothing but good thigns to say about Tony and his service and fair prices.

Regarding the article...yeah importing is pretty cool and comes in very handy. Just dont use it too much or your costs start to rival the costs required just to go neutral which I ultimately did via 80gb PS3.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Yeah thats not fair to Xploited at all..... I have nothing but good thigns to say about Tony and his service and fair prices.

I think it stinks, not only do they not carry "gray market" releases, but Xploited/Tony is scrupulously honest and knowledgeable about the movies they sell. They usually don't even bother with imports that aren't superior to their US counterparts unless they feature an extra or missing scene not found on the domestic.

The Journal should go stand on someone else's dick.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post


Regarding the article...yeah importing is pretty cool and comes in very handy. Just dont use it too much or your costs start to rival the costs required just to go neutral which I ultimately did via 80gb PS3.

Yea, those imports cost almost as much as Fox BDs!
J
post #5 of 24
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Clever movie buffs have discovered a workaround:

Clever?

Those geniuses, figuring out how to buy things over the internet!
post #6 of 24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market

I've always known "grey market" as imports. I've never heard anyone refer to bootlegs as grey market. I believe bootlegs would be considered "Black Market".
post #7 of 24
I know this is about importing to America however as the whole world is not America I would like to point out that there are probably far more HD DVD's leaving the US than are being imported into the US.

A general rule of thumb is that from America including P&P the HD DVD's cost about 1/2 the price they do in the UK. This is also combined with the fact the US get nearly all the movies first (ie Transformers isn't out here until December and Stardust is just opening in the cinemas)

You may complain that people are circumventing the studio exclusivity however we are sending our money into your country so I would tell them not to complain too loudly
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by Jonto81 View Post


You may complain that people are circumventing the studio exclusivity however we are sending our money into your country so I would tell them not to complain too loudly

No, I would never complain. I think regional encoding is 100% BS, and just invites piracy. I own dozens of imports.
post #9 of 24
Reading the article, it actually seems pretty fair and complementary to Xploited, with Sony and the Blu-ray folks pretty much the source of the "grey market" comments.

An article like that tends to drive business to a mentioned business, so I'm sure they don't mind.

I like the "savvy consumers" description and the categorical no region encoding for HD DVD meme.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by ResOGlas View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market

I've always known "grey market" as imports. I've never heard anyone refer to bootlegs as grey market. I believe bootlegs would be considered "Black Market".

I was about to post the same thing. Grey market refers to leaglly imported items that have no US warranty. Black market irefers to illegal items.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

No, I would never complain. I think regional encoding is 100% BS, and just invites piracy. I own dozens of imports.

Agreed. Not to mention that some of my favorite DVDs are imports that never even got a US release.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

I was about to post the same thing. Grey market refers to leaglly imported items that have no US warranty. Black market irefers to illegal items.

Another agreement, I always thought "black market" was the term for illegal sales of items and that "grey market" meant along the lines of second hand selling. I remember there was an article and the PS3s declining prices on E-Bay and it was titled "PS3 price declines in grey market"
post #13 of 24
Just curious, why do BD exclusive studios even produce HD DVD versions of their products overseas?
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by MichaelHDDVD View Post

Another agreement, I always thought "black market" was the term for illegal sales of items and that "grey market" meant along the lines of second hand selling. I remember there was an article and the PS3s declining prices on E-Bay and it was titled "PS3 price declines in grey market"

OK then I stand corrected, can we at least agree it's a term usually reserved for shady doings?
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by BagMan View Post

Just curious, why do BD exclusive studios even produce HD DVD versions of their products overseas?

They often sell their overseas distribution rights, and the other party releases them. It's money in the bank, many times before the picture is even shot.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

OK then I stand corrected, can we at least agree it's a term usually reserved for shady doings?

People are often mad when they buy a CE product off a website, and find out that they don't have a warranty because the product they bought was grey market, since such products were not intended for domestic sale. Such shady doings are bad sellers, but grey market isn't really a bad thing.

I owned a British car that had a Grey Market title, because the car was originally from England. Nothing bad about it, though.

Often Grey market products can be purchased for better prices than MSRP domestically.

All being said, if you are buying a grey market product, you do deserve to understand that you are usually not covered by the manufactures warranty.
However, for example, some companies such as Fujitsu have international manufacturers warranties with their products. If you buy a grey market Fujitsu product it should still have a warranty that's good in the US.
post #17 of 24
Xploiter rules. Have you guys seen the region 0 Hard Boiled they got? Its one of those pseudo HD/Superbit things they were doin in Japan and it ruuuuuuuuuuuuuules!!!!!!!!!
post #18 of 24
Describing Xploited as 'grey market' is accurate. Grey market means importing legitimate items that were released in a foreign market but are not available locally.

One definition from dictionary.com is "A market where a product is bought and sold outside of the manufacturer's authorized trading channels."

That is exactly what Xploited does.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dare's User Name View Post

One definition from dictionary.com is "A market where a product is bought and sold outside of the manufacturer's authorized trading channels."

That is exactly what Xploited does.

and I've been a happy customer for over seven years.

They also will take a defective or damaged disk back, they aren't the only game in town, but I've had more luck with them than a dozen "legit" online movie retailers.
post #20 of 24
I'm not saying gray market is bad. That's just what they do.

And as with all other areas, some retailers are better than others. I've ordered discs from Xploited before, and I was very happy.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

OK then I stand corrected, can we at least agree it's a term usually reserved for shady doings?

Sure, agreed, I don't really want to debate the definition of a word.

Back to the topic....

HDM imports I like them, and I'll buy 'em It is also a cool thing you can say you did "I imported a movie from France!"
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

I think it stinks, not only do they not carry "gray market" releases, but Xploited/Tony is scrupulously honest and knowledgeable about the movies they sell. They usually don't even bother with imports that aren't superior to their US counterparts unless they feature an extra or missing scene not found on the domestic.

The Journal should go stand on someone else's dick.

Here here!
I completely agree!!
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Timothy Ramzyk View Post

OK then I stand corrected, can we at least agree it's a term usually reserved for shady doings?

I don't agree. Gray market items are huge in the Camera industry. The most respected stores in the business, like B&H Photo and Adorama sell these imported items with no manufacturer warranty, though they usually provide a warranty of their own. Most of the time, gray market gear is available for much lower prices than the (identical) US-branded equipment.

It's not shady. Not even a little bit.

Back on topic, I think it's great that this story hit the major media outlets, and I'm sure Tony will be thrilled with the flood of orders he's about to get.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by geko29 View Post

I don't agree. Gray market items are huge in the Camera industry. The most respected stores in the business, like B&H Photo and Adorama sell these imported items with no manufacturer warranty, though they usually provide a warranty of their own. Most of the time, gray market gear is available for much lower prices than the (identical) US-branded equipment.

It's not shady. Not even a little bit.

Back on topic, I think it's great that this story hit the major media outlets, and I'm sure Tony will be thrilled with the flood of orders he's about to get.

The thing with a place like Adorama (who I bought many things from) is that they are reimporting the same stuff available here from locals who's price undercuts their wholesale domestic price, and they pass that savings on. It's more like getting prescription drugs from Canada to beat the US mark-up.

Xploited is importing European releases that are not available here, or not available in the same form. It's not that you buy from them to save money on something that costs more here, you're buying movies that simply aren't available in the US to begin with.
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