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*sigh*
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But Coppola's people say that it now matches the answer print, and they approve of it, and Robert Harris says...
post #423 of 763
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

has the crack pipe been passed around?, the BD is by FAR the best looking, what is the problem here?

just because this doesn't look like Crank people/fanboys have to get their panties in a wad

-Gary

post #424 of 763
Finally got a chance to rent this one. It sucked, but that's old news. My impressions were that in the daytime shots I liked the new coloring, but in the darker/night shots everything that was claimed by Dave Mack is true. I damn near missed the scene with the superimposed writing even though I was specifically looking for it. I wonder if those who claim it's clearly visible (the way it's supposed to be) have their TV's properly calibrated.

But on the bright side, Lucy is still a damn fine lookin' vampire.

Brandon
post #425 of 763
i just gave it a THIRD try, and even taking the weird color changes and extreme black crush out of the equation, what strikes me as equally annoying is just how SOFT this transfer is. It's easily one of the softest transfers I own on BD.
post #426 of 763
How about the version running on HD Net Movies? I only spot-checked my recording. Harker's journal while he explores the castle was visible, faintly, but visible. Doesn't seem as blown out as the Superbit DVD, but the black levels don't appear crushed. Colors seem in between. Not as dominating as the DVD, but not drained like the BD version.

From what I've seen it's the best version out there, visually. The flame on the castle wall, still looked a bit green [on further investigation, I should say greenish, because it isn't green like the blu-ray version: it's passable and probably as originally intended (yellow flame plus image's blue tint for moonlight)], but I also noticed there was color where it was absent in the BD version (like the green light on BatDrac).

The colors looked a bit different from the DVD, but lacked that "colorized" look of the BD. Like maybe this is what the HD transfer is supposed to look like, but black levels AND color levels were clipped when they did the encode?
post #427 of 763
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I already have that cap couple of days ago. I will post shots as soon as I am able.

BTW ther are more showings of Dracula at HDNET.
post #428 of 763
Xylon, you da' man!
How U been, bro?

d
post #429 of 763
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Xylon, you da' man!
How U been, bro?

d

Well you know enjoying SoCal weather and

just finished watching the "Making of Dracula" and I discovered some very interesting footage in regard of the color and gamma timings. Some don't match the BD version
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Well you know enjoying SoCal weather and

just finished watching the "Making of Dracula" and I discovered some very interesting footage in regard of the color and gamma timings. Some don't match the BD version


ahh, the thread that will not die.

Looking forward to the caps Xylon!!!
post #431 of 763
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Well you know enjoying SoCal weather and

just finished watching the "Making of Dracula" and I discovered some very interesting footage in regard of the color and gamma timings. Some don't match the BD version

Well that's because that footage was from the wrong transfer. They didn't have time to go the "correct" answer print for that footage Xylon.
post #432 of 763
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You know after all this time not one (except Dave) made a comment about the footage used in the special features. Another proof perhaps that special features on Blu-ray is un-important and no one bothered to check it out?

Well, count me in as the second owner of this BD title to watch the special features and when I'm done I basically said to myself . . . .


WTF ! ! !
post #433 of 763
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You know after all this time not one (except Dave) made a comment about the footage used in the special features. Another proof perhaps that special features on Blu-ray is un-important and no one bothered to check it out?

Well, count me in as the second owner of this BD title to watch the special features and when I'm done I basically said to myself . . . .


WTF ! ! !

I watched the special features.

I just haven't watched the movie yet.
post #434 of 763
Yeah you know they borked a disc when the special features look better than the movie.....
post #435 of 763
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Superbit DVD ---->BD------->Special Features footage




How do ya' like them apples?
post #436 of 763
yep, I remember trying to get this point across over at HTF and kept getting, "your display must be off.." "It looks plenty bright to me.." "That's how they wanted it to look..."

mmmhmmm..... I'm sure the guy who painted that amazing matte painting with all the detail just really wanted 1/2 of it crushed into oblivion.

xylon, you rock!

Craig, watch the crap transfer already!

post #437 of 763
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I already have that cap couple of days ago. I will post shots as soon as I am able.

BTW ther are more showings of Dracula at HDNET.

Just took at look at the HDNet showing. Can't confirm, but I'm pretty darn sure it was from the old transfer.

How do I know? I could actually see stuff.
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Has Sony commented on this at all? It's been quite some time with quite a lot of people complaining.
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Just took at look at the HDNet showing. Can't confirm, but I'm pretty darn sure it was from the old transfer.

How do I know? I could actually see stuff.

Actually I scanned the recent showing from HDNET and it looks like the new "remaster version" AKA the BD version.

Will post pix as soon as I can.
post #440 of 763
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yep, I remember trying to get this point across over at HTF and kept getting, "your display must be off.." "It looks plenty bright to me.." "That's how they wanted it to look..."

mmmhmmm..... I'm sure the guy who painted that amazing matte painting with all the detail just really wanted 1/2 of it crushed into oblivion.

xylon, you rock!

Craig, watch the crap transfer already!


Wait till you see the next one
post #441 of 763
Xylon you're the man!
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How do ya' like them apples?

What apples? What point are you trying to make?

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

yep, I remember trying to get this point across over at HTF and kept getting, "your display must be off.." "It looks plenty bright to me.." "That's how they wanted it to look..."

mmmhmmm..... I'm sure the guy who painted that amazing matte painting with all the detail just really wanted 1/2 of it crushed into oblivion.

xylon, you rock!

Craig, watch the crap transfer already!


What does "the guy who painted that amazing matte painting with all the detail" and what he wants have to do with anything?

Is the point here that the feature is supposed to look like the special features?
post #443 of 763
Is there much more making of footage? It doesn't appear to be upscaled, but which is the correct colour? What is the context of that screenshot? Penton-man just made a post on blu-ray.com http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=580 which does seem to imply that the current BD feature closely resembles the HD master tape which also closely resembles the answer print. If the making of screenshot is from the same master as the BD and if what Penton-Man says is true then someone went to a hell of a lot of effort to colour correct just for a making of special feature, if it's from a previous master then that's the one they should have used for the main feature!
post #444 of 763
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Has Sony commented on this at all? It's been quite some time with quite a lot of people complaining.

sony has been saying that is approved by director and is director's intention, all others be damned. don't what they would say if a new BD actually comes out, with or w/o a replacement program.
post #445 of 763
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sony has been saying that is approved by director and is director's intention, all others be damned. don't what they would say if a new BD actually comes out, with or w/o a replacement program.

Didn't they say the same thing about the first issue of the Fifth Element?
I might be wrong though.
post #446 of 763
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What apples? What point are you trying to make?



What does "the guy who painted that amazing matte painting with all the detail" and what he wants have to do with anything?

Is the point here that the feature is supposed to look like the special features?


The point is the some of the footage in the special features have dont match the BD version and actually better looking and much more detailed.


Here there is more:

Superbit DVD:


Look very closely at the color timings and detail. Then look at this next one taken from the special features.


Special Features footage:


An improvement in PQ right? Matching the color and gamma timings from the DVD. And sharper and more detailed. Is there any doubt?

Here is the one that we got from BD:


Like I said before it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
post #447 of 763
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The point is the some of the footage in the special features have dont match the BD version and actually better looking and much more detailed.






Like I said before it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

It's rather hard to accept for format apologists.
post #448 of 763
Well, one thing that was revealed is that coppola himself didn't supervise or approve the transfer. Supposedly, "a representative from Zoetrope relayed Coppola's wishes re: the transfer to the guys (at Sony, or even inhouse at zoeptrope, have heard both...) doing it..."
Coppola was off shooting his most recent film. (Interestingly the old Criterion LD which many paid over $100 for WAS approved by coppola and looks pretty much exactly like the SB dvd though...)

The point that Xylon and I and many others, (including many review sites) is that the film now looks radically different in many scenes, much darker and with much less color than in all previous versions. We were told that all those versions were wrong, even many if not all the theatrical release prints and this new BD looks much closer to the fabled "answer print" that was the original intention.
Many of us think it looks much worse and even that it all just sounds like an excuse for a botched transfer and a way to avoid a very costly exchange program like with The Fifth Element, (and yes, that release was originally defended as well just as vociferously.)
Just our opinions.

Reread this thread with Xylon's great work. Get the film and see for yourselves. Some like the new look, I would say that from all the sites and forums and reviews I have seen, most don't.

d
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The BRD is just so sad to look at. Keanu might as well be in an empty warehouse. What's the point of building a highly detailed set and not seeing it in the finished product?

The release is botched. Like Traffic and other mishandled titles we'll have to wait for a real HD release. Hopefully Coppola will have a much more hands on approach with his other titles.
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The BRD is just so sad to look at. Keanu might as well be in an empty warehouse. What's the point of building a highly detailed set and not seeing it in the finished product?

Agreed, that's what I meant about the matte painting as well.
And the costumes, with the exception of Vlad's red robe and armor and Elisabeta's green dress in the prologue, most of the amazing oscar winning costumes could have just been made in grey. I have the VERY expensive, long out of print EIKO costume book and trust me, the costunes like the ones the vampire hunters wore were anything but grey.

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