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post #511 of 763
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

Don't do it. He never calls or writes. Total flake.


Hush! We were in Astoria but you didn't email me back in time!

post #512 of 763
I bought this all the way back in October and due to all the comments on here I was afraid to watch it. I agree it is fairly dark though I think it suits it (directors intention or not), though I m amazed more people are complaining about Keanu Reeves "superb" acting skills.
post #513 of 763
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Hush! We were in Astoria but you didn't email me back in time!


Heh, that's where I live
post #514 of 763
I think there is definitely something wrong with this new transfer.

Some of the scenes have EXACTLY the same color as the SuperBit DVD while others are totally desaturated and blacks are crushed.

I wish someone who WORKED on this project would comment on it and give some SCIENTIFIC reasoning why we're seeing what we're seeing.
post #515 of 763
holy thread resurrection!!!!
post #516 of 763
Inconsistent look perhaps but some scenes still look stunning at least to my eyes anyways and it's not all bad....The superbits colors were oversaturated while this seems to go in the opposite direction at times....Not perfect by any means but also not as bad as some are making it out to be.
post #517 of 763
1/2 does looks great. But 1/2 looks like a poor attempt at a Tim Burton look and doesn't match the rest of the film IMHO.

post #518 of 763
I'm actually surprised this didn t get resurrected sooner, what with the debate over directors intention on the Godfather threads (and yes I'm well aware FFC did not oversee this transfer directly).
post #519 of 763
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

1/2 does looks great. But 1/2 looks like a poor attempt at a Tim Burton look and doesn't match the rest of the film IMHO.


Dave, I agree, while I like the BD version it is not what I saw in the theatre in 1992 when even the Muni busses in San Francisco were promoting this film. However I do disagree with you on the Roy Orbison blu-ray disc.
post #520 of 763
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Originally Posted by ChuckZ View Post

I think there is definitely something wrong with this new transfer.

Some of the scenes have EXACTLY the same color as the SuperBit DVD while others are totally desaturated and blacks are crushed.

I wish someone who WORKED on this project would comment on it and give some SCIENTIFIC reasoning why we're seeing what we're seeing.

That would be nice.
post #521 of 763
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Inconsistent look perhaps but some scenes still look stunning at least to my eyes anyways and it's not all bad....The superbits colors were oversaturated while this seems to go in the opposite direction at times....Not perfect by any means but also not as bad as some are making it out to be.

The PQ details is barely above the Superbit DVD. I wonder how this Blu-ray will fare against the new "remastered"(sic) DVD edition?
post #522 of 763
Hiya Alf,

I miss SF, berkeley, Oakland, emeryville...

Anyways, I haven't seen the Roy Orbison disc yet. All I said is I liked the DVDs audio mix and if the new one has most of the instruments buried in the mix it would be a shame. Are you sure it's me who you disagree with?
post #523 of 763
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

The PQ details is barely above the Superbit DVD. I wonder how this Blu-ray will fare against the new "remastered"(sic) DVD edition?

Soon.
post #524 of 763
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Originally Posted by kdssrugby View Post

i'm actually surprised this didn t get resurrected sooner, what with the debate over directors intention on the godfather threads (and yes i'm well aware ffc did not oversee this transfer directly).

+1
post #525 of 763
To celebrate the 1 Year anniversary of Xylon's epic thread and the trainwreck Blu-ray release that had people gagging, wondering if their tv was broken, or going into full tilt spin mode I decided to do some digging and dug up 23 captures from the Region 2 PAL Collector's Edition dvd mirroring Xylon's. As an added bonus I arranged them in clickable thumbnails for easy viewing and in chronological order.

The BD has been stabbed in the heart, burned to ash, and sent to HD hell but how does it stack up against the new CE dvd which uses the same horrific transfer? Well, even though the BD contains very little definition above SD it still manages to be visibly better most of the time than the new dvd which is heavily filtered and has a weird horizontal stretch that cuts off the sides. Even the old Superbit dvd beats the new CE dvd in terms of detail but that's not much of a surprise.

Superbit DVD / Blu-ray / CE DVD / Documentary on Blu-ray (if available)























post #526 of 763
This thread is like the character in the film...immortal or undead. You can try and kill it but it comes back again and again.

This is one of my favorite threads on AVS! Keep them coming.
post #527 of 763
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

To celebrate the 1 Year anniversary of Xylon's epic thread and the trainwreck Blu-ray release that had people gagging, wondering if their tv was broken, or going into full tilt spin mode I decided to do some digging and dug up 23 captures from the Region 2 PAL Collector's Edition dvd mirroring Xylon's. As an added bonus I arranged them in clickable thumbnails for easy viewing and in chronological order.

The BD has been stabbed in the heart, burned to ash, and sent to HD hell but how does it stack up against the new CE dvd which uses the same horrific transfer? Well, even though the BD contains very little definition above SD it still manages to be visibly better most of the time than the new dvd which is heavily filtered and has a weird horizontal stretch that cuts off the sides. Even the old Superbit dvd beats the new CE dvd in terms of detail but that's not much of a surprise.

Superbit DVD / Blu-ray / CE DVD / Documentary on Blu-ray (if available)

I like what you did here with the thumbnails. Even without clicking on it you can pretty much see the difference. They really f***** up the Blu-ray. The Oscar nominated Art Direction and Set Decoration on some scenes you can barely make out.


But nevermind that anyway. Because screenshots are bogus
post #528 of 763
I bought "BS Dracula" a few months ago for $10 new and tried to watch it a couple of weeks ago. First time I'd seen the movie since it's early 90's theatrical release. Weakest high-definiton movie I've ever seen (and I've seen freaking "Traffic" on HD-DVD) and a boring flick to boot. I fell asleep the first time and had to watch it again the following day but could barely keep up. I've had more fun reading this thread back when it was all the rage than at any point watching this beverage coaster of a BD.
post #529 of 763
I was reading some of the comments over at home theatre forum, amazing there are people defending this release. It's a perfect example of how not to do a transfer. The blacks are impenetrable.

Did these people even watch the disc. There are some transfers which can be argued one way or the other but this is not one of them. It's even more distressing to see such a well reknowned person in the film industry personally endorse this, then defend it as far as he did.
post #530 of 763
Yeah, what does Robert Harris know anyways.

Just watched this again last night and really enjoyed it (again). Still one of my favorite movies. There is clearly amazing HD detail throughout much of the movie, though some of the (indoor/night) scenes are obviously too dark. Forgot to watch for the letters on the sky this time entirely, though. Mmm Vampire Brides...
post #531 of 763
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Originally Posted by UxiSXRD View Post

Yeah, what does Robert Harris know anyways.

Just watched this again last night and really enjoyed it (again). Still one of my favorite movies. There is clearly amazing HD detail throughout much of the movie, though some of the (indoor/night) scenes are obviously too dark. Forgot to watch for the letters on the sky this time entirely, though.
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Mmm Vampire Brides...


They would eat you for dinner.
post #532 of 763
mmmm, Monica Belucci.

post #533 of 763
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Originally Posted by UxiSXRD View Post

Yeah, what does Robert Harris know anyways.

Just watched this again last night and really enjoyed it (again). Still one of my favorite movies. There is clearly amazing HD detail throughout much of the movie,

Umm, where exactly?
post #534 of 763
I looked into this thread because I was thinking of making a purchase. Glad I looked here first. No sale. The black crush is just silly.
post #535 of 763
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

Last year one of blu-ray.com moderator banned me so fast before I even made a counter argument about the state of the 1st release 5th Element.

Here is the thread: (dont worry if they delete it, I already archived it just in case)

Xylon is a fudster!

Yup, ladies and gents this guy is defending the PQ of the first release and he is not the only one. After the ban not one, including some AVS members over there disagreed with him. One member even gave me a nice gif image Well, you who they are. No question lots of people defended that piece of turd

This is the abuse we get us "AVS rabble rousers" from fanboys and zealots alike. Then again its just the mentality. Pathetic.

BTW the new remastered version of 5th Element looks much better isn't it?

Lucky you.. I feel this way about most movies so far, so I'm Fud * 50, and what do I have to read... 100 myths a day. I get locked out of most threads.. I think it's time that Blu Ray insiders woke up. So you won't see me in the Ghostbusters thread now.. that me locked again.
post #536 of 763
I see Dracula is being released at the end of the year in a 3 pack w/ Frankenstein and Wolf. Wonder if they are using a different (or correcting this) transfer?
post #537 of 763
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

Xylon is a fudster!



Xylon,

Haha! I see you're banned by the Sony Consortium, err Blu-ray, which I find rather ironic. You advertise the format more than pretty much anyone else with your PIX threads.
post #538 of 763
I've watched both versions (i.e. Color Timing) back to back and the new master makes more sense in a lot of the scenes. Take for instance the scene where Jonathon is exploring the castle with a candle. In the previous master it didn't make sense for him to be using a candle when there was enough light to let him see where he was going. In the new darker master the candle makes more sense as it's the primary light source.

The darker master only adds to the overall look of the film when strong colors are used in scenes, especially reds. The previous master loses all the subtleties in terms of lighting and colors this film really possesses. This movie cannot be fully appreciated unless you watch the new master. Throw away your superbit SD-DVD and buy the Blu-ray.
post #539 of 763
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Originally Posted by troglobite View Post

Xylon,

Haha! I see you're banned by the Sony Consortium, err Blu-ray, which I find rather ironic. You advertise the format more than pretty much anyone else with your PIX threads.

And Sony discs are nearly always perfect
post #540 of 763
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Originally Posted by emgesp View Post

I've watched both versions (i.e. Color Timing) back to back and the new master makes more sense in a lot of the scenes. Take for instance the scene where Jonathon is exploring the castle with a candle. In the previous master it didn't make sense for him to be using a candle when there was enough light to let him see where he was going. In the new darker master the candle makes more sense as it's the primary light source.

The darker master only adds to the overall look of the film when strong colors are used in scenes, especially reds. The previous master loses all the subtleties in terms of lighting and colors this film really possesses. This movie cannot be fully appreciated unless you watch the new master. Throw away your superbit SD-DVD and buy the Blu-ray.

I have to agree with you. Some scenes are less than ideal but 97% of the film looks very good to my eyes and there is lots of detail in the Blu Ray.

At least i was pleased with it and this is one of my favorite films of the nineties. Great musical score.
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