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B&W 700 series or Rocket RS850

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I have 602s3 bookshelves, and LCR600 center already. I have a Marantz SR7002 in transit. I can use the B&Ws to trade and upgrade to 705s or I can order a Rocket setup. I was planning on RS 850 or RS 760 for front, RSC 200 for center, and RS 250 mk II for rear. I can't fit dipole speakers for rear.

I don't want to throw good money after bad. The Large rockets look like they would be great, but I'm concerned about the aluminum drivers. They often have strong resonances which can hurt music but are fine with HT. These speakers need to do double duty for music an HT. Also, I can't demo the rockets and I have to wait on them. By the time I can get them, the trade-in won't work.

Also, I need a second setup as well for a lesser used room. Would you:
Trade the old 600s for new 600s and get rockets for prmary room?
Trade old 600s for 700s and get rockets for primary room?
Trade old 600s for 700s and get new 600s for 2ndary room?
Keep old 600s as new ones aren't much better and get rockets for primary room?
Go with something else in primary room like Axiom, Ascend, triad, RBH, etc., all of which I haven't heard?

BTW, I've listened to Martin Logan, Vienna Acoustics, Klipsch, Paradigm, Focal, and Def Tech speakers and lIke the sound of the B&Ws more. I'm also getting a sub for both setups so don't worry too much about not enough bass with whatever. I'm concerned I might need a seperate amp to power the bigger rocket towers also.
Thanks for any input.
post #2 of 23
Since you like B&W after auditioning, I'd stick with them.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks for the reply but only one reply with 95 views?
post #4 of 23
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Go with something else in primary room like Axiom, Ascend, triad, RBH, etc., all of which I haven't heard?

BTW, I've listened to Martin Logan, Vienna Acoustics, Klipsch, Paradigm, Focal, and Def Tech speakers and lIke the sound of the B&Ws more.

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Since you like B&W after auditioning, I'd stick with them.

I agree, it's always better to go with what your ears have told you after auditioning.
If you've found you prefer them after having heard all those others, why roll the dice?
Of course, I'm a B&W dealer , but seriously, this advice applies to ALL speakers, AUDITION, AUDITION, AUDITION, and trust what your ears tell you.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by 92TripleBlack View Post

Wow, thanks for the reply but only one reply with 95 views?

Others such as myself may be in a similar situation. I currently have 603s for mains, LCR600 for center, 602s3's for rears and find multi-channel in movies and games to be fine, but the 603s just do not seem to very dynamic for stereo tracks - lacking 'something' in the mids. Mine are currently powered with Marantz SR8001. I have heard the RS1000's + ERT, RSC200 + ERT, and RS250's in an owner's room. I listened to the 1000's with the subs turned off (more comparable to RS850) with some good stereo tracks and although there was a noticeable improvement over the 603s, it was not a huge improvement. Of course his room setup and the amplifier (Emotiva) probably had a larger impact during my listening experience, so it was difficult to compare. Just remembering how many drivers there are on the 850/1000 I'd say you may want a dedicated amplifier, but I would worry about that after the speakers are in the room. The sale price the Rockets are at now compared to the price of the 603's is justifiable for an upgrade, but I would not pay much more.

I hope that helps. Honestly, the best advice is your ears. I found a very nice owner to demo their rockets to me by going to a forum that is directly associated with Rocket speakers and asking around.

Just out of curiosity: What do you not like about the 600 series? What are you looking for in the Rockets that is currently missing in your setup?
post #6 of 23
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Of course his room setup and the amplifier (Emotiva) probably had a larger impact during my listening experience, so it was difficult to compare. Just remembering how many drivers there are on the 850/1000 I'd say you may want a dedicated amplifier, but I would worry about that after the speakers are in the room. The sale price the Rockets are at now compared to the price of the 603's is justifiable for an upgrade, but I would not pay much more.

A seperate amp on those speakers would give them a lot more dynamics and would likewise do so for the ones he currently owns. If you want better dynamics, either increase power of amps, or efficiancy of speakers. If you've heard them alond side of one another and-or on the same gear, then you would know if one is worth more to you than the other , not by looking at "apparent" savings.
post #7 of 23
Try to listen to the rockets since you are obviously curious. I've never heard them, but would not be too concerned about what the drivers are made of - more important is how they sound.

You forgot a couple of options.
Keep old 602 for lesser room, try the rockets and if you like them keep them, if not buy 705 for main room.
Or, trade the 602 for 705. Try the rockets, if you like them put them in either primary or secondary room - if you don't like them return them and buy more b&w.

You've got lots of options. I guess the first thing to decide is do you want to keep the 602 or trade them in. Only you can decide this.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
I'm not satisfied with the warmth of the B&Ws and I need larger towers for a different room. Eventually I will need several setups but if it makes sense to trade in the 600s for credit toward 700s I'll do so. They are currently in the main room where I am looking to put something, maybe the rockets, maybe other towers with a 5.1 setup. I need them to be more musical for 2ch music playback and unfortunately I'm super picky for sound.
post #9 of 23
Something interesting to note is that a pair of B&W bookshelf speakers partook in a blind bookshelf speaker shootout held by Craig(sub) at his home. The results may surprise you; its good read:
http://www.affordableaudio.org/aa2007-10.pdf
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by 92TripleBlack View Post

I'm super picky for sound.

Then you have to go listen. I bought B7W 703 for two channel. I'm not sure how they'd work for 5.1 since there really is no proper center match. But I like them for 2 channel - I would certainly not describe them as being warm.

There are lots of options out there. It is worth spending time listening if you are particular. Think about how many hours you will be listening to (and hopefully enjoying these speakers), it is worth a little work and time up front during the selection process IMO.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by 92TripleBlack View Post

unfortunately I'm super picky for sound.

Then I think I'd avoid ID as you could end up spending thousands in shipping figuring out which is right for you. With B&M you at least can go and listen and make your determination re bringing them home prior to spending any dough (other than gas and time).
post #12 of 23
^ or he could find a local owner of ID and audition at his/her home.

If you are that picky (as most of us are), auditioning is a must. But no worries; it is and should be a very fun experience.

Good luck!
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Something interesting to note is that a pair of B&W bookshelf speakers partook in a blind bookshelf speaker shootout held by Craig(sub) at his home. The results may surprise you; its good read:
http://www.affordableaudio.org/aa2007-10.pdf

Keep in mind that after the test, Craig surprisingly found the 805 seemed to show considerable improvement with "better" amplification - more so than the other speakers in the shootout for some reason.
post #14 of 23
^ Yup yup, very true.
post #15 of 23
Blind comparisons are always good, but best done personally, so you can trust the conclusions, especially as they pertain to you.
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Something interesting to note is that a pair of B&W bookshelf speakers partook in a blind bookshelf speaker shootout held by Craig(sub) at his home. The results may surprise you; its good read:
http://www.affordableaudio.org/aa2007-10.pdf

I saw that. Knowing Rockets are made by the same guy who made the swans, which popped up as one of the top picks, is one reason I was interested in the rockets. If I got a set of speakers that can handle the added power above the 7002, I plan on getting a seperate 2 channel amp for them, maybe Rotel? I've put off getting them until next year and got a wall unit. I am looking sub and speaker setup right now. I have until March to look at swap upgrade before my "window" closes. I'm debating right now on a 683 surround setup, 700 series setup, or the rockets. I'm also going to use the time to listen to more. I have the SR 7002 in place powering the 600s in front and some old def tech towers in the rear for surrounds.
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ or he could find a local owner of ID and audition at his/her home.

If you are that picky (as most of us are), auditioning is a must. But no worries; it is and should be a very fun experience.

Good luck!

Yeah, I'll have too. I installed high end car audio in the late 80s before anyone cared and spoiled my ears with good audio. We did Nakamichi, Boston Aocustic, etc. which was the best of the best back in the day and won contests with it. I did Winton Marsellus's managers BMW, etc. Kinda like an old school Unique Auto. Now, the audio is more important than the video to me, but I need to stay within reason for budget. I do have 3 setups (minimum) I need to do. Right now I"m contemplating an SVS Ultra 13 or an HSU VSU-3 HO Turbo sub. I need three subs eventually. We'll get there.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by 92TripleBlack View Post

I saw that. Knowing Rockets are made by the same guy who made the swans

Rockets are made by the same guy that imported the Swans. He did not make the Swans.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

Rockets are made by the same guy that imported the Swans. He did not make the Swans.

Ah. Big difference. I always see "brought you the swans." Thanks
post #20 of 23
Just to add my 2 cents, it sounds like you are relegating the good folks at AV123 (the rockets designer and manufacturer) to just being importers, so lets clarify a few things, In that shootout they also highly regarded the AV123 x series which is the budget line from AV123, Also one of the designers of the Rocket 850 is Danny Ritchie of GR Research and I dont think he has to take a back seat to anyone in the design world.

I am also deciding which way to go with those speakers, the 850's or B&W
post #21 of 23
Gentlemen, I have created a thread on this forum (found here) with the goal to find the "perfect" speaker for my ears. I will be acquiring the Rocket 850 sigs from a friend in two weeks and will be writing a review of them after I have spent some time with them. There is a local shop near where I live that carries the new B&W 68X series speakers as well as the 700, 800 and 600 series, not to mention all of the Paradigm stuff. I just visited the shop yesterday and auditioned a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's, which are amazing speakers for the price. I actually preferred them to the 703's. Anyway, if you like I could return in the next week or two and audition the 68X series for those who are interested. I am not a big fan of B&W to be honest, but I can at least post some impressions since I have never heard the 68X series. Of course, they would be my impressions and opinions, but I can listen to the Paradigms, and both models of B&W's in the same room (which is treated) and give my opinion as to the winner. I can then compare that to the Rocket 850's that I will be acquiring. It won't be apples to apples because I will be listening in two different rooms, but it may help.

Anyway, just an idea. Good luck with your search(es).

P.S. Craigsub is planning a floor standing speaker shootout under blind and level matched conditions. You can find his thread here (go to the end to read about his shootout). He is asking that we post our recommendations, adhering to his requirements, and he will consider some models, order them and use them in the comparison. Head over there if interested.
post #22 of 23
The studio 100 and 703 were my final choices. At msrp the 100 is a better deal. It had a slight edge in the bass. The 703 was better in the midrange. Both are good speakers. I ended up with the 703 - they just did acoustic instruments (including voice) more realistically IMO. It was a close call. The 703 also had an edge in appearance. Again, IMO. At the time I was willing to pay a little more for wood veneer, and clearer midrange. Didn't get a chance to listen to the Rockets. I don't regret my decision.

Of course we are interested in your opinion when you've decided.

p.s. I was only interested in two channel sound when I bought these. As near as I can tell
there is not good center channel match for the 703 - a pity.
post #23 of 23
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As near as I can tell
there is not good center channel match for the 703 - a pity.

HTM61 works great with them, I have listened to the combo at work and they do great together despite the HTM61 having an improved tweeter and a crossover design closer to the 800 series than the 700's, I can only guess it's the FST mids that makes them work so well together.
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