The Street reports: PS3 will outsell the rest in 2008  

Dream on. PS3 is dead. They have no killer-apps this Xmas season so how would it outsell the XBox360 which has over a dozen great games. It'll take a miracle for PS3 to catch up to the 360, especially in America.

They aren't must haves and you know it. The only exclusive games that can save the PS3 are GT5, MGS4, Gods of War 3 and a new Final Fantasy.

Heavenly sword was already released here in the USA and did not get great reviews, also Rachet is only one game and cannot be compared to HALO 3 in terms of system seller. Another thing is third party games sell and are better (graphics wise) on XBOX360.

I doubt it. PS3 sales will pick up because in '08 there will be actual games out for the system. MGS4, GTA4 (also on more affordable/fun 360), etc so '08 looks better for the PS3, but not it doesn't look good enough to get the PS3 enough momentum to surpass or even meet the 360 or the Wii juggernaut.

I watched the video. Here were some key statement he made.

I think the PS3 is going to make a big comeback in 2008, that's not a popular view, I don't think they can do any worse than they're doing right now, and I also think the Wii is completely over rated.

He never said the PS3 would catch the Xbox360 or the Wii in 2008 and I don't see how that was implied.

The Xbox360 owners buy a lot of games. There's lots of hits on the Xbox360 and we haven't seen that on the Wii yet, but as the PS3 comes down in price we'll probably see a similar effect.

He admits the jury is still out on PS3 vs. Wii software sales, as well as the fact that the best Wii software is currently from Nintendo, not the 3rd party developers.

I think Dean Takashi's analysis is on the money.

Dean’s Take on NPD numbers for September
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/200...september.html

Sony, meanwhile, sold only 119,400 PlayStation 3s and 215,000 PlayStation 2s. Clearly, that’s why Sony had to make the move to launch the 40-gigabyte console at $399. That should help put Sony back in the game, but I very much doubt that the former leader of the industry will move out of third place.

One piece of news that came out this week was that Sony pleaded with third-party developers not to abandon its struggling platform. That change in attitude is a marked difference compared to the arrogance of past years. The argument is that the PS 3 will show its strength as developers learn how to make games for it. But developers know they can staff four or five Wii teams with the same number of people it takes to make one PS 3 game. We may have a glut of Wii games soon, but that’s not as bad as not having enough games on the PS 3.

The Xbox 360 is going to have a good season with games like “Mass Effect” and “Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare” still to come. Yes, I know it’s also on the PS 3. But clearly it will sell more units on the Xbox 360. Sony managed to crack the top ten finally with a PS 3 title, “Heavenly Sword.” But beyond Ratchet & Clank, it’s unclear what is going to be a big seller for the company this season.

Catching up with 360 is not an argument in this forum as it doesn't have HDM drive in it. 360 is no different from Wii from this standpoint.

But the OP is about the PS3 catching up to the 360 and Wii in terms of sales... It isn't really about HDM and probably shouldn't be here.

The title of his thread is:

The Street reports: PS3 will outsell the rest in 2008

It doesn't seem like he's referring to stand alone players. In addition, the title of the thread is just plain wrong. They didn't say the PS3 would outsell the rest in 2008.

yeah - dream on, by 2008 probably ALL non Sony own game developers with exclusive PS3 titles will jump onboard Xbox 360. And oh, this doesnt take into consideration that MS will further cut the prices of its console

This is exactly what happened with Sega's Saturn. Developers are not going to go out of their way to make a console's games better, especially one that's difficult to code for and 3rd place.

Your thread title doesn't match the article! The article is outlinning the impossible position in which the PS3 finds itself in; that it would be virtually impossible to dig itself out of the chasm.
Where the heck do you see anything positive about PS3's future in this article???

People seem to forget that outside the US the xbox 360 is stagnating. Europe especially has always been a Sony stronghold.

America's the main market for everything. Japan is important for gaming too, but they'd rather gouge out their eyes than buy an American system there.

Whatever you need to keep telling yourself.

I wish Sony would do something about the PS3, I regret buying one. I have had it since launch, and have only bought 3 games since then. Resistance, Warhawk, and virtual Fighter. Most of the games that come out for the PS3 are multi platform games, and they are so much better on the XBOX 360. On average I buy about 4 games a month and they are usually 360 games. Sony needs to stop worrying about Blu-Ray and start making some decent games on the PS3. Sony also needs to help third party game makers out by providing better tools for game development. It will be funny if Sony fails with Blu-Ray and also the PS3.

Here are the worldwide sales stats.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons...g3=All&align=1

Here are the sales stats with North America and Japan stripped out.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?...+Other&align=1

Vgchartz, very unreliable in the US weekly figures (overestimated weekly sales for the PS3 last month by a large amount as evidenced by the NPD results)...I shudder to think how much worse their worldwide figures might be. That said, while Sony is having no trouble eclipsing 360 in Japan, I don't think Sony necessarily has Europe in the can.

Aren't those coming in 2008?

The PS3 in Europe has the same advantage over the Xbox 360 that HD DVD has over Blu-ray: Region-free games.

Given that the incoming title library for new releases over the next 12 calendar months clearly favors the PlayStation 3 over the Xbox 360 (unless you'd care to argue that Too Human outweights Final Fantasy + Metal Gear Solid + LittleBigPlanet), and the fact that European owners (who, as with movies, tend to get seriously shafted on release dates for games as well) can opt to import titles from either Japan or the USA with no worries about compatibility or region locks, I think that the PS3 should win Europe handily over the Xbox 360 in the next 12 months.

You can expect this to change over the next two years, starting with COD4


http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...r+on+PS3&meta=

More explicitly:


From: http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/006696.php (Oct 10, 2007)

Assuming 360 graphics don't continue to improve and the above is a continuing trend...slightly superior graphics didn't help the Xbox1 gain a foothold, did they? I'm curious as to why certain people want to constantly defend Sony's turf...would the world really be a much worse place if Sony didn't end this generation in first place? Is DRM-ridden Blu-Ray the future you really want to have in compromise for a few more gigs and a slightly higher bitrate (in the case of HD DVD versus Blu-Ray)? Icemage, have you ever considered that a 4th generation MGS or umpteenth generation of Final Fantasy might actually have less appeal after all these years and iterations? Littlebigplanet's effect is a big unknown at this time...that's due next year and a lack of killer holiday exclusives for the PS3 won't do it any favors once that game is due for release. Mass Effect is also due in the next 12 months going by your timeframe (and let's be fair, LBP was originally planned for release next month if I'm not mistaken). It's really not fair to not include that alongside Too Human in reference to 360 system sellers. Time will tell of course how all this pans out.

ps3 is already dead in the water,there is no buzz regarding that sysem anymore ,perception is the system stinks and has no games worth playing

all you gotta do is go to a few game shops and ask the kids that go in the stores, what system they play and what they think of the ps3 ,the ps3 is now the saturn/dreamcast or the gamecube in coversations with the gaming crowd

i see the ps3 as being the last console sony makes

I personally don't care what happens to Sony as a whole as long as I get good software (games and movies) to play on the hardware I own. You, on the other hand, have a self-professed vendetta against Sony for a years-past event (the PS1's domination over the Sega Dreamcast).


Mass Effect may sell some hardware, but it's effect is going to be less pronounced than the other titles mentioned more likely than not unless it picks up way more buzz than it has right now (which isn't much outside the die hard 360 crowd).

Too Human was mentioned because of the 10 year controversy surrounding the game, which means a lot of gamers have at least heard of it at some point, which makes it more likely to have an impact whenever it gets released.

As for MGS4/FFXIII/LBP, all three of those games have target audiences which diverge from the current PS3 primary demographic. MGS and FF both have nearly cult followings amongst gamers, and LBP is a seriously strong attempt to muscle in on the Wii's casual fanbase.

There's a bunch of other games coming in the next 12 months, but these are the ones that are known about right now that I think are going to move hardware - and that's what makes this line of discussion pertinent to this forum section, since it's the "PS3 effect" under discussion.

Sony is trying to reposition the PS3 as a BD player FIRST, games console second. The entire pitch re the new low end model is as a BD player, and the price allows for the seven dwarfs to still attempt to sell Standalone BD players. While there are loosing Studios to HD, and can expect to see more studios go format neutral, the Games Side in in far far worse shape. It is just that the consumers don't have the same visibility. Keeping the Film studios support is a far simpler task and far less expensive than attempting to get the Games developers to focus on PS3. For the studio that already has the IP it is really a matter of selecting and paying for the encoding/production/distribution. Not an insignificant cost, but vastly different than the Games Studio Side of things. Here is it where do you put the scarce development resources, how difficult is it to develop for, how available are developers with real experience with the PS3 etc etc. It is not just a financial cost, but a serious resource allocation, and the studios can not be bribed as easily.

If Sony considered the Cell/PS3 to continue to be strategic it is very unlikely that they would have sold production to Toshiba. As far as the Games side of things, for the PS3 the old saying "things tend to get worse before they get worse" applies. They set a level of expectation for an installed base, and monthly sales and market position, and they failed to meet these expectations. For the Film Studios to continue to support it is one thing and not all that high a risk, for the games developers to move resources from other platforms or add developers for the PS3 at this point is an unacceptable high risk.
Film studios have a totally different revenue stream and BD or HD is a very minor part of it, Games Developers live and die based on developing the right game for the right platforms. Ken will be blamed forever in Sony history for the PS3 failure. Sony corp ego will continue to support the PS3 for BD, as a games console they know they must move on, if they catch up with MS or Nintendo it will be with a totally new product, and the likely hood is that it will NOT be Cell based.

That is only one facet of my Sony hate.


The sales will reveal all...Bioshock ended up being quite the surprising hit and we've yet to reach November in the case of hype for Mass Effect, which could climb higher.


Fair enough, I'm completely oblivious to this title, must've missed it's announcement in '97.


LBP may be an attempt to attract the casuals but I think the console price (even at $400) is still beyond that of what the casuals will bear. I think more of the casuals (who previously had a Wii) may have picked up a low-end 360 after all this recent H3 hype...with PS3 almost a nonevent in their mind. We'll see what 2008 brings (likely more delays ).

PS. It seems MS has gone a long way in reigning in the RROD problems if you're still on the fence.

When you sell products aiming for young people, hype is one of the most important factor.

It must be to "the" cool product.

It doesnt help to have better etc. Once the hype has struck it gets hard to get your own foothold in the market.

Just like Walkman, Ipod, Playstation 2 etc

And not like PS3, Xbox1, Zume