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post #2461 of 2662
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Originally Posted by U2Cowboy View Post

I think I'm going to bail on this unit and pick up a 2.0 profile player. I've had audio and video droputs with every disc with no solution in sight. Haven't had any specific disc errors yet but what I've heard from others is enough to concern me.

Regarding audio drop outs: because I have another HT with separate BR and HD DVD players into an Onkyo SR-606 AVR, I refused to tolerate the audio drop outs in my LG based HT. After much research. I learned from articles in the Audio Engineering Society, as well as a double blind experiment in Home Theater Magazine, that the differences between core DTS and Lossless DTS Master Pro were either indistinguishable or minimally different in properly controlled scientific experiments. In no case could people identify the "better=lossless) codec consistently.
Armed with that info, I ran HDMI AND Toslink to my AVR , and use the Dolby 7.1 PL11X decoder to create a flawless and exciting sound track. No drop outs. no issues. And I am watching the movie and listening to the musical score, not watching my video technology and listening to a lossless track that is supposed to be what the movies play.
I am freed from the burden of a failure of technology.
post #2462 of 2662
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Originally Posted by U2Cowboy View Post

I think I'm going to bail on this unit and pick up a 2.0 profile player. I've had audio and video droputs with every disc with no solution in sight. Haven't had any specific disc errors yet but what I've heard from others is enough to concern me.



I used to have dropout problems but when I changed the output resolution from Auto to, in my case 720P, to match my projector's native resolution completely resolved the dropout issues. What led me to try this was everytime I had a dropout, the projector would display its resyn screen. I am running the BH200 through a Denon 3808 in the pass through mode. I am on the RS20 1st wave AVS pre-order list so I hope I will be able to use the 1080p/24 mode without a problem. You may want to try and change from auto resolution to a fixed resolution in the BH200 setup menu.
post #2463 of 2662
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Originally Posted by drj2000 View Post

I used to have dropout problems but when I changed the output resolution from Auto to, in my case 720P, to match my projector's native resolution completely resolved the dropout issues. What led me to try this was everytime I had a dropout, the projector would display its resyn screen. I am running the BH200 through a Denon 3808 in the pass through mode. I am on the RS20 1st wave AVS pre-order list so I hope I will be able to use the 1080p/24 mode without a problem. You may want to try and change from auto resolution to a fixed resolution in the BH200 setup menu.

Thanks, I'll give it a try.
post #2464 of 2662
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Originally Posted by drj2000 View Post

I used to have dropout problems but when I changed the output resolution from Auto to, in my case 720P, to match my projector's native resolution completely resolved the dropout issues. What led me to try this was everytime I had a dropout, the projector would display its resyn screen. I am running the BH200 through a Denon 3808 in the pass through mode. I am on the RS20 1st wave AVS pre-order list so I hope I will be able to use the 1080p/24 mode without a problem. You may want to try and change from auto resolution to a fixed resolution in the BH200 setup menu.

Tried that a few days ago when dropouts started popping up on my BH200. No joy.

BD Live is one thing, but we'd better continue to see firmware updates that address playability/stability issues. The fact that we haven't seen one is complete bull$hit IMHO. I'm going to be left with a bunch of partially functioning players that I'd rather not bother with. Makes me wish I would've kept the two XA2's that I sold.
post #2465 of 2662
Big news today:
LG, Sharp, Chunghwa Plead Guilty To Price Fixing

So that's why there's no money for the Profile 2.0 update... Kidding of course (I couldn't resist).

Seriously though, LG keeps piling up the reasons to look elsewhere for future purchases. I know I will.
post #2466 of 2662
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Originally Posted by oilblue View Post

Big news today:
LG, Sharp, Chunghwa Plead Guilty To Price Fixing

So that's why there's no money for the Profile 2.0 update... Kidding of course (I couldn't resist).

Seriously though, LG keeps piling up the reasons to look elsewhere for future purchases. I know I will.

What a bunch of dirtbags! And it looks like LG took the low road based on the article, at least Sharp ponied up and pretended they regret their mistake.

"A spokesperson for LG did not immediately return a call for comment."

Sheesh, I hope those BH200 $75 rebate checks don't bounce higher then an NBA basketball.

Actually, this sort of thing is probably widespread, these guys just got caught!

Mike T
post #2467 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

What a bunch of dirtbags! And it looks like LG took the low road based on the article, at least Sharp ponied up and pretended they regret their mistake.

"A spokesperson for LG did not immediately return a call for comment."

Sheesh, I hope those BH200 $75 rebate checks don't bounce higher then an NBA basketball.

Actually, this sort of thing is probably widespread, these guys just got caught!

Mike T

Seems they were taking lessons from OPEC...with one minor difference, it is legal for OPEC to participate in price fixing since they are outside the US.
post #2468 of 2662
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

Seems they were taking lessons from OPEC...with one minor difference, it is legal for OPEC to participate in price fixing since they are outside the US.

In addition, OPEC doesn't set prices. The various trading markets do. OPEC just controls production and distribution, which can (and does) have an effect on the price in the markets.
post #2469 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

What a bunch of dirtbags! And it looks like LG took the low road based on the article, at least Sharp ponied up and pretended they regret their mistake.

"A spokesperson for LG did not immediately return a call for comment."

Sheesh, I hope those BH200 $75 rebate checks don't bounce higher then an NBA basketball.

Actually, this sort of thing is probably widespread, these guys just got caught!

Mike T

What is this $75 rebate checks you are referring to...?

Thanks
post #2470 of 2662
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Originally Posted by musiclover408 View Post

What is this $75 rebate checks you are referring to...?

Thanks

Read through the last 10 days of this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1070480
post #2471 of 2662
I just want to add a few things so people don't get scared away from this machine. I am actually happy with my BH200. I have not had any discs it would not play so far. The sd-dvd upconversion is the best I have seen- even better then my acclaimed Oppo. I have the BH200 decode everything over HDMI to my Onkyo 674 receiver which I think is HDMI 1.1. I have yet to have a dropout- most likely becaue I don't bitstream anything. The only thing I am missing is DTS-HD MA decoding, however I personally don't think it is a huge loss based on some comparisons I have done between DTS core and DTS-HD MA. The huge advatage for me having this player is the ability to calibrate ONE player with your display. When I had a seperate HD-DVD and BD player I had to calibrate for each player- having the BH200 is great, as I no longer have to worry about switching picture settings for each player. I was recently offered a Panasonic 35 for $250.00 at HHGregg- it was tempting and I know I would definately get BD Live 2.0 and DTS-HD MA decoding but I am still willing to hang onto my LG a little longer. I do wish that we would get a official statement that LG will still support the player with updates even though they will not support BD-Live.
post #2472 of 2662
I like this machine a lot too if I can get this audio/video drop0ut thing solved. It's really just a minor annoyance but it concerns me for the future, and that's why I'm considering trading it in. My dropouts are for less than a second and happen on average twice a movie. I've got the BH200 hooked directly to a Panny 42PX700u via hdmi.
post #2473 of 2662
Im just annoyed that it is such a finicki HDMI implementation, both my units are flawless on my little 32" 2008 model Sony LCD TV but both play up on my 50" Pioneer Plasma (DVI-D w/HDCP).

I'm saving up for a DVDO Edge Video processor as I suspect taking my Pio out of the loop, so to speak, will solve my problems!
post #2474 of 2662
If anyone is looking for the BH200 Circuit City seems to still have a few of them, many open boxes. As many of you know, they are currently closing many stores and the BH200 has been marked down 10-20% here in the Atlanta area. I'm guessing if these items linger, the discounts could get bigger. I think I saw them for around $350 with the discount. Haven't priced them lately, but hopefully this helps someone locate one if they are looking for one.
post #2475 of 2662
I watched Kung Fu Panda tonight and made it through with no dropouts of any sort for the first time. Nothing in my setup has changed either. Go figure.
post #2476 of 2662
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Originally Posted by U2Cowboy View Post

I watched Kung Fu Panda tonight and made it through with no dropouts of any sort for the first time. Nothing in my setup has changed either. Go figure.

Same here, i believe the dropouts might be disc dependent.
post #2477 of 2662
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

I've got 2 BH200's and from my testing it seems that unless the BH200 is connected to a HDMI v1.3 TV they exhibit sync probs. The unit in my games room is connected directly to a 2008 model Sony LCD TV and never play's up at all, everyhting works perfectly inc 24p.

The unit in my lounge connected to a HDMI v1.2 Marantz AVR -> a DVI-D (HDCP) Pioneer Plasma plays up on almost every disc. I will get at least 2 audio dropouts per movie and occasionally a video dropout as well.

I thought my lounge room unit (both Jan '08 units with latest FW & Driver) was the problem so I swapped them over and proved to myself that LG have not done their HDMI homework as the issues continued in the lounge and all was still perfect in the games room!!!

I find this very interesting. I may have to rip my Toshiba (v1.3 LCD) out of the bedroom to hook it up to the system (v1.1 or 1.2 RPTV) in the living room to see if this has any effect.

Can anybody else confirm whether they get drop outs with pure HDMI 1.3 connections (meaning receiver and TV are both 1.3 so as not to have a weak link in the chain)?

Could the answer be as simple as this?

I am very curious now.....
post #2478 of 2662
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Originally Posted by VinceCPHT View Post

I find this very interesting. I may have to rip my Toshiba (v1.3 LCD) out of the bedroom to hook it up to the system (v1.1 or 1.2 RPTV) in the living room to see if this has any effect.

Can anybody else confirm whether they get drop outs with pure HDMI 1.3 connections (meaning receiver and TV are both 1.3 so as not to have a weak link in the chain)?

Could the answer be as simple as this?

I am very curious now.....

I've been able to eradicate most of the player related dropouts by setting my BH200 (lounge unit with HDMI v1.2 AVR + DVI-D plasma) to output 1080i only.

I wish they'd fix the problem properly tho! I'm saving up for a DVDO EDGE video Processor and I suspect that will give me access to the 1080p@24/50/60 that my TV is capable of but doesn't list properly in EDID for some stupid reason.
post #2479 of 2662
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Originally Posted by jiggyblau View Post

Also had audio drop outs on Die Another Day using the BH200 with my Denon 889. It was the first time it's happened to me, and now I'm wondering whether to just pull out the A35 and buy a new 2.0 blu player. Anyone in a similar situation?

I had audio dropouts on Die Another Day using bitstreaming DTS (core, from the DTS-HD track- not using DTS conversion) via optical cables (reported at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1061 )... do you have the time when you noticed them? I'd be curious if they matched mine.

(I didn't watch the whole movie but wrote these down)
11:24, right as he's holding up the bulletproof vest
1:58:34 as the plane is being blown up

(I have watched around 20 HD/BR movies on this and DaD is the only movie I've noticed dropouts on in my setup-- although I normally have the DTS conversion going)
post #2480 of 2662
I watched Die Another Day the other day and also noticed numerous audio drop-outs. Probably 12 to 15 times!

i am also noticing them on various standard dvds now as well. Rented Predator 2 and it had around 5 drop-outs. And this isn't the only standard dvd I have had this happen on. I am wishing I had never bought this player and am afraid to sell it with all the problems it seems to have. I like having it for my HD-DVDs but I am thinking about just selling them, taking a loss, and starting from scratch. This player is not all it's made out to be.

I bought the Best Buy extended warranty for it. Maybe I can just return it and pick out a BD player to take it's place or just stick with my PS3. Goodness knows they won't be able to fix all the problems this player has. The upconvert for SD is great and I have had no problems with the HD-DVD end of it but keeping this around for 30 HD-DVDs and upconverting when there are better BD players out there doesn't seem to be the smart move.

Hell, it won't even play my new Sunny In Philadelphia Season 3 discs or my Brady Bunch series discs. What the hell?
post #2481 of 2662
The player has played every DVD, HD-DVD, BD that I have thrown at it. I think you either have a bum unit or a compatibility issue (usually HDCP related).
post #2482 of 2662
What does HDCP related mean?
post #2483 of 2662
Short for High-bandwidth Digital-Content Protection, a specification developed by Intel for protecting digital entertainment content that uses the DVI/HDMI interface. HDCP encrypts the transmission of digital content between the video source, or transmitter -- such as a computer, DVD player or set-top box -- and the digital display, or receiver -- such as a monitor, television or projector. HDCP is not designed to prevent copying or recording of digital content but to protect the integrity of content as it is being transmitted.

Basically it is a digital handshake between all your DVI/HDMI equipment that tells each other that they are secure and compliant. They are all supposed to play nice but often times they don't resulting in issues like yours. While my setup works flawless, yours doesn't and seeing as we both have the same player but different displays and recievers the problem is usually in the handshake.
post #2484 of 2662
Thanks for the explanation. I think I am just going to go back to the drawing board on this one. Return it to BB since I have the warranty and see if they can "fix it" which I highly doubt. This player shouldn't be having problems playing SDs and the audio drop-outs are driving me nuts not to mention the problems with various BDs.

Looks like I will stick with my PS3 for BD for right now and start researching for the best BD/Upconverting player. Should have known this would happen to me.

Now to sell 30 HD-DVDs. Crap.
post #2485 of 2662
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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd View Post

Now to sell 30 HD-DVDs. Crap.

What titles?
post #2486 of 2662
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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd View Post

I watched Die Another Day the other day and also noticed numerous audio drop-outs. Probably 12 to 15 times!

I unfortunately don't have the time this week to check the movie, but my situation is more like Brian's...12 to 15 times. And it's the only disc it's ever happened with in my 4 months or so of ownership.
post #2487 of 2662
Got my $75 check yesterday. Also watched The Kingdom HD DVD and did not experience dopouts. That's only the second clean disc for me thus far. Still trying to decide whether to keep this machine or trade it for Blu-Ray player.
post #2488 of 2662
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Originally Posted by U2Cowboy View Post

Got my $75 check yesterday. Also watched The Kingdom HD DVD and did not experience dopouts. That's only the second clean disc for me thus far. Still trying to decide whether to keep this machine or trade it for Blu-Ray player.

Wonder if it's related to setup, I've watched Kingdom HD DVD a number of times on my BH200 without any drop outs or issues.
post #2489 of 2662
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Originally Posted by awdpaul View Post

Wonder if it's related to setup, I've watched Kingdom HD DVD a number of times on my BH200 without any drop outs or issues.

I'm curious- do you have your video resolution setting at "auto" or do you have it set for 720p, 1080p etc. I'm beginning to thing that the drop outs are due to the handshake issues when the video is set to auto.
post #2490 of 2662
I just checked my set-up and it is set to 1080p and not Auto. I was really hoping that would solve the problem with my drop-outs.

Off to Best Buy it goes.
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