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post #2581 of 2662
Even second gen players aren't always flawless. Even though I have a BD-UP5000 and 2 LG BH200s I'm still keeping my PS3 and my A35 in case there are issues with playback. But to be quite honest, only a handful of hi-def titles has given me issues. Mainly the Sony's recent seamless branching titles, that's when I use the good ole' trusty PS3 I'm just keeping the A35 for novelty purposes now, along with the XA-2 it's a really good player especially with the latest firmware, power on and load times are quite fast.

Again, I sympathize with the initial costs you spent. $700 is a lot to spend.
post #2582 of 2662
Remember back in the days of the format war, there would probably have been some insider willing to help out with the LG problems. Now that the war is over its back to the usual business of hanging the customer out to dry after they've get your money.
post #2583 of 2662
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Originally Posted by dustinw82 View Post

I'm about fed up with this piece of crap. Pineapple Express is not drop out free.

I have the same issue when I watch the unrated version of Hancock...at least you know when the unrated / cut portions are on their way.

Watching the theatrical resulted in no audio blips. (I call mine a blip rather than a drop because it is less than 1/10th of a second -- kind of like what happens multiple times during CBS NFL broadcasts.)
post #2584 of 2662
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

I have the same issue when I watch the unrated version of Hancock...at least you know when the unrated / cut portions are on their way.

Watching the theatrical resulted in no audio blips. (I call mine a blip rather than a drop because it is less than 1/10th of a second -- kind of like what happens multiple times during CBS NFL broadcasts.)

I wonder if watching the theatrical version of Pineapple Express would give the same results.
post #2585 of 2662
The theatrical version should be fine, only when you select the extended should there be drop-outs
post #2586 of 2662
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

The theatrical version should be fine, only when you select the extended should there be drop-outs

Negatory, I watched the theatrical and I had them.
post #2587 of 2662
Then there is inconsistency, I watched Hancock theatrical and got no drop outs. I thought it was only when they had to utilize the seamless branching...
post #2588 of 2662
Maybe it's time that we all just face the fact, that the 200 has some kind of issue with HDMI/HDCP that cause these dropouts and probably will never be corrected.

I know one forum member, our friend from "down under" djos, has been preaching the HDMI sensitivity issue with the 200 for a while and he really may be on to something??? Whether it's actually related to HDMI 1.3 not getting along with older HDMI versions or not, there's definitely something wrong with the way the 200 "handshakes" with other HDMI equipment.

Aside from certain known disks not playing, my 200 has been relatively stable. However, it still exhibits random, non-repeatable split second audio and/or video dropouts from time to time. I have been fortunate in that my random audio dropouts have very rarely occurred during the movie. I usually get mine when the first audio/video appears on the screen or at the main menu.

I can generally "manufacture" a complete dropout by pausing or stopping the 200, go to another TV input or change the input on my receiver and then come back to the 200. This will almost always result in a black screen, which can be corrected by cycling through my inputs and coming back to the 200 input. Somehow the 200 just doesn't sync up very well. I even make sure to power up TV, receiver and the 200 in that order, to avoid a black screen at startup.

None of these issues occur with my Sony 350, matter of fact, I can power my equipment in any order, change inputs midstream and the 350 comes right back with audio/video. Also, when I was testing a Panny 35 before I gave it to my daughter, same thing.......no issues.

This is why I always refer to the 200 as "quirky" but despite it's blemishes, I still like the player. I don't know when or what the next fw update will be but we'll probably still be complaining about dropouts with this player.

Mike T
post #2589 of 2662
Actually, the dropouts the above guys are referencing with the Sony titles have nothing to do with HDMI incompatibility. Speaking of, that is one thing the Samsung apparently has going for it over the 200. I've never seen a solitary video dropout and there have been few (no?) reports of chronic HDMI problems on equipment with the older revision. I do find it interesting that you prefer the 200, Mike, when you haven't even been able to experience the competing product for yourself.
post #2590 of 2662
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Actually, the dropouts the above guys are referencing with the Sony titles have nothing to do with HDMI incompatibility. Speaking of, that is one thing the Samsung apparently has going for it over the 200. I've never seen a solitary video dropout and there have been few (no?) reports of chronic HDMI problems on equipment with the older revision. I do find it interesting that you prefer the 200, Mike, when you haven't even been able to experience the competing product for yourself.

Which Sony titles do this?

I would like to test this as I have 2x BH200's and both are a PITA on my main system (DVI-D w/HDCP TV & HDMI v1.2 AVR) and perfect in every way on my Games system (HDMI v1.3 TV).

I never had a single problem with dropouts back when I had a Toshiba HD-XE1/XA2 and a Sony S300!

Mike Tee, luv your use of language - it feels a lot like a religious crusade at times.
post #2591 of 2662
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Actually, the dropouts the above guys are referencing with the Sony titles have nothing to do with HDMI incompatibility. Speaking of, that is one thing the Samsung apparently has going for it over the 200. I've never seen a solitary video dropout and there have been few (no?) reports of chronic HDMI problems on equipment with the older revision. I do find it interesting that you prefer the 200, Mike, when you haven't even been able to experience the competing product for yourself.

Hi, Vinnie,

Regardless of the Sony titles, in general, the 200 does have "handshake" issues with HDMI. And, it's been problematic for many people. As for the Sammy 5000, I know you prefer it over the 200. You've said it many times. LOL

Let's face it, they both have very much in common, starting with their Korean as opposed to Japanese roots. They both came out as direct competitors for the dual Hi-Def market. As we now know, they both have their strengths and their weaknesses but overall, they are pretty capable players.

If you, in the kindness of your heart decided to give me a 5000, I would very gladly accept. But as you and one other poster mentioned, there are just some intangibles in a player that prompted me to purchase the 200 instead of the 5000. Actually, I bought a demo 5000 from CC in July '08 for $289. A pretty good price at the time but it continually froze up on SD DVDs and I returned it. It may have just been a defective player but I returned it, did a little research and waited a bit. Ended up getting a new 200 from BB for about $300 when they had them for $339 minus a discount coupon.

Anyway, I'm pleased that you like your 5000, I'm sure it's been a pretty good performer for you, since Sammy has finally gotten on the ball with their fw updates.

BTW, do you work for Samsung, or maybe own stock in the company? LOL

Take care,

Mike T
post #2592 of 2662
No (I recently replaced a Samsung LCD with a Pioneer Plasma after all), I just didn't understand your bias for the BH200...but now it's clear, you got a 5000 dud previously and let it taint your opinion of the player. I'm sorry to hear it...Samsung's QC (and LG's for that matter) leave something to be desired. Having owned both units (in working condition), there's no telling what hardware you would have preferred (maybe neither).

Djos: Zohan, Hancock and Pineapple Express thus far.
post #2593 of 2662
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

Mike Tee, luv your use of language - it feels a lot like a religious crusade at times.

Sorry, djos. It's the public speaker in me. Although, sometimes I feel like I've been reincarnated from a "windbag" politician of the 1800s.

Mike T
post #2594 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

Sorry, djos. It's the public speaker in me. Although, sometimes I feel like I've been reincarnated from a "windbag" politician of the 1800s.

Mike T

No need to apologise, I found your comments entertaining.

Im well aware I've been banging the HDMI/HDCP drum long and loud - Im hoping if I bang it loud enuf SamsungMaster might get sick of seeing them and kick some Korean Engineers up the ar$e till they fix it!
post #2595 of 2662
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

No (I recently replaced a Samsung LCD with a Pioneer Plasma after all), I just didn't understand your bias for the BH200...but now it's clear, you got a 5000 dud previously and let it taint your opinion of the player. I'm sorry to hear it...Samsung's QC (and LG's for that matter) leave something to be desired. Having owned both units (in working condition), there's no telling what hardware you would have preferred (maybe neither).

Djos: Zohan, Hancock and Pineapple Express thus far.

Quite frankly, I love all hi-tech equipment, brand name aside. You're probably right, if the Sammy wasn't a dud, I'd probably just be yacking about fw updates but still be happy with it........like the 200.

I probably would have also bought the 200, so I could have two dual players. I really do like the look of the 200.....cool blue lights.

Mike T
post #2596 of 2662
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Djos: Zohan, Hancock and Pineapple Express thus far.

Bugger, I dont have any of those titles.

I bumped Hancock & Zohan up to the top of my QuickFlix (aussie version of Netflix) queue and I'll do some testing when I get them and report back.
post #2597 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

Quite frankly, I love all hi-tech equipment, brand name aside. You're probably right, if the Sammy wasn't a dud, I'd probably just be yacking about fw updates but still be happy with it........like the 200.

I probably would have also bought the 200, so I could have two dual players. I really do like the look of the 200.....cool blue lights.

Mike T

I was Going to buy the 5000 myself but the BluRay Multi-Region abilities of the BH200 won over the Sammys Reon Processor.

I luv the startup/shutdown sequence's of the BH200 and the touch buttons with their little beep - gives me tech wood!
post #2598 of 2662
@djos

Well, now your last statement has entertained me. Always liked the use of ar$e instead of a$$.

My contact tells me that the engineer that worked on this fw update is a female, I think SM is too much the gentleman to kick her in the ar$e. LOL

Do keep up your HDMI crusade, you never know what can happen.

Edit: The Qdeo is no slouch either and you are continuing to entertain........"tech wood" LMAO

Mike T
post #2599 of 2662
OK, I admit the bootup beep and touch-sensitive buttons are like silicon seduction.
post #2600 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

@djos

Well, now your last statement has entertained me. Always liked the use of ar$e instead of a$$.

My contact tells me that the engineer that worked on this fw update is a female, I think SM is too much the gentleman to kick her in the ar$e. LOL

Do keep up your HDMI crusade, you never know what can happen.

Edit: The Qdeo is no slouch either and you are continuing to entertain........"tech wood" LMAO

Mike T

Lol, its the South Aussie in me, apparently SA is the only state not to have been settled by a bunch of convicts and so we have a tendency towards a "proper english" accent.

Maybe a light "paddling" then?

Yep, must agree as I have found the up-scaling for DVD's to be excellent; however I did switch to user mode as my Plasma is ISF calibrated and the QDEO plays with the colours if you leave it to its own devices.
post #2601 of 2662
@djos

Hmmm. I have an LCD and the Qdeo default looks pretty darn good. I gave my son a 200 and he has a Panny plasma. While it looked good, it didn't have that "pop"....maybe I'll fiddle around with user on the 200 for him and see what happens.

As for the "paddling", you'd have to ask SM about that.

Mike T
post #2602 of 2662
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

@djos

Hmmm. I have an LCD and the Qdeo default looks pretty darn good. I gave my son a 200 and he has a Panny plasma. While it looked good, it didn't have that "pop"....maybe I'll fiddle around with user on the 200 for him and see what happens.

As for the "paddling", you'd have to ask SM about that.

Mike T

The QDEO default does look excellent but it does tend to slightly boost some of the colours a little - it's only really noticeable if you have an accurately calibrated display.

Thankfully when you go into User mode it sets the colours back to standard output levels.
post #2603 of 2662
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

OK, I admit the bootup beep and touch-sensitive buttons are like silicon seduction.

LOL Very well described. Glad you like those buttons.

On another matter, I'll be getting back my HD copy of Shooter on Sunday. Anxious to see if it does in fact work properly now in 24p. I think I'll also rent Madagascar to see if it plays properly as well.


Mike T
post #2604 of 2662
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

The QDEO default does look excellent but it does tend to slightly boost some of the colours a little - it's only really noticeable if you have an accurately calibrated display.

Thankfully when you go into User mode it sets the colours back to standard output levels.

Both my display and my son's are just using user settings found on various AV forums plus a little tweaking. I played Spidey 3 on both displays and it definitely looked good but different on both. It appeared to have more depth on mine but I'm sure his Panny has more to give.

I'm tired of tweaking mine but I really haven't experimented with my son's plasma very much.......so, he gets tweaked.

Mike T
post #2605 of 2662
I have the 5000 upstairs and the 200 downstairs (my main TV). I think I'll probably swap them if Samsung ever fixes their issue with the dreamworks titles.
post #2606 of 2662
^My hope for that fades with every passing firmware update/day.
post #2607 of 2662
Just goes back to earlier. We're paying top dollar for junk. They even fixed it once, but it reappeared with the next FW
post #2608 of 2662
Yea, my memory on that is cloudy. Ever since 1.3 it's been flickery (or was it 1.2? )...but fix that and the Sony bitstreaming problem and the player at least becomes a decent contender.
post #2609 of 2662
Sorry if this has been covered before. Can BH200 do 24Hz playback with HD DVDs?
post #2610 of 2662
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Originally Posted by xradman View Post

sorry if this has been covered before. Can bh200 do 24hz playback with hd dvds?

yes
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