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post #1441 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Hi,

Honestly I think I may be "done."

I have been tuning quite a lot lately because I got a laptop specifically for tuning the projector. I've been using painters tape to attach my Eye1Lt to the tripod and that's a big improvement over the old rubber band method. I also got a light meter which is great for certain measurements.

I have turned off all kinds of processing. Iris, RCP, Gamma Correction are all off and even without all that I can get a great calibration.

After my last session,... I was simply in love with the resulting image. I suppose that should be the goal and I'm there.

I guess I'll still check up on it now and then but for the moment Perfect is Good Enough.

-Brian

Cool.

I'm going to enjoy mine for a good spell now that I've been calibrated, and not think too much about messing with it. Chuck did his thing with all the extra processing turned off, and his report deserves the respect of living with it on a long viewing basis before even thinking about tweaking buttons again (but that's what User 2 and 3 are for!).
post #1442 of 1578
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Hi,

Honestly I think I may be "done."

I have been tuning quite a lot lately because I got a laptop specifically for tuning the projector. I've been using painters tape to attach my Eye1Lt to the tripod and that's a big improvement over the old rubber band method. I also got a light meter which is great for certain measurements.

I have turned off all kinds of processing. Iris, RCP, Gamma Correction are all off and even without all that I can get a great calibration.

After my last session,... I was simply in love with the resulting image. I suppose that should be the goal and I'm there.

I guess I'll still check up on it now and then but for the moment Perfect is Good Enough.

-Brian

Be great if you share these files Brian!
post #1443 of 1578
I'll put it all here. You will see the graphs from the calibration still have some small errors but the resulting image is perfection and I can watch it every day.

I've been watching movies as much as my kids lately,.. and they watch quite a bit.

I wanted some basic tuning without RCP and without Iris and without even correcting Gamma. The plan was to use that and go from there but I like where that gets me.

I wouldn't short Image Director because it's great but I was often tempted to over-work it and I got flatter but choppier data.

I commend efforts to use RCP as well since neither the Normal or Wide color options conform to 709 specs but with the wide settings the Y or brightness of my colors is about dead perfect. And, I thought extra processing could generate noise.

My kids were watching a pixar type animated film one day and I saw some banding in the colors and I turned off RCP and poof it was gone. That's not to say it can't be useful but I can't bother to learn to get the good from it when a simpler solution works so well.

So, with most settings at default nominal values and most processing turned off,... All I really need to share it the Panel Driver, Bias and Gains, and the resulting graphs. And,... I'll do that.

-Brian
post #1444 of 1578
Here are some graphs of my May (Friday the ) 13th session.

Projector Settings...

Picture Mode: User 3
Advanced Iris: Off
Lamp Control: Low
Contrast 90
Brightness 50
Color 50
Hue 50
Color Temp Custom 3
User Color Controls: All Zeroed!
Sharpness Min
Black Level Adj Off
Gamma Correction Off
RCP Off
Color Space Wide
Panel Drivers Red 95, Green 80, Blue 40
Gain Red 152, Green 72, Blue 100
Bias Red 83, Green 100, Blue 83

If I forgot any relevant settings let me know.

They are not perfect. The biggest issue is with the luminance as you will see the image is about 10% too bright over a wide section. The average gamma is 2.1. A minor tweak with Image Director could resolve this so I could be tempted but the current image I get from the pj doesn't make me want to tweak anymore for now.

Adding a screen shot.
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post #1445 of 1578
And one more screen shot.
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post #1446 of 1578
If my computer screen is a good representation of what you're seeing on the screen, I wouldn't touch a thing further. Looks great!
post #1447 of 1578
Thank you.
post #1448 of 1578
Looking good, Brian!

Well, now I'm giving up on RCP. Graphs and numbers come out great, but the resulting image is a "no-go". I may use it to get some things more "in line" with the D65 point, but it requires too much adjusting to reduce the gamut to REC709 and the subsequent saturations and luminances at everything else within the gamut are completely farked.

It was fun, but didn't yield any usable results.

I will post up my current ID 2.35 curve though...
post #1449 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spankenstein View Post

Looking good, Brian!

Well, now I'm giving up on RCP. Graphs and numbers come out great, but the resulting image is a "no-go"

I have realized the same thing. I am however using it to tweak the red hue just a bit. Its a tad orange in normal colorspace and wide just isnt for me..
post #1450 of 1578
I'm changing the bulb in my vw60. I've removed the bulb assembly from thr PJ. After removing the screws the lamp won't come out of the assembly, whats the secret?

Thanks,

Allan
post #1451 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Pipelion View Post

I'm changing the bulb in my vw60. I've removed the bulb assembly from thr PJ. After removing the screws the lamp won't come out of the assembly, whats the secret?

Thanks,

Allan

Never had that problem. Just pull straight up with the handle.
post #1452 of 1578
I did'nt have a problem removing the lamp and assembly from the PJ. That was easy.

My problem is removing the lamp from the assembly. My spare bulbs are phillips without housings.
post #1453 of 1578
Both replacements that I purchased came with the housing so I've never tried removing the bulb from the housing.
post #1454 of 1578
Well it's a good thing I have 9 bulbs, four in lamp assemblies.

I put in a used 800 hour bulb I picked up used. This bulb was a lot brighter than my 1360 hour bulb I removed. Needs color ajusting though. Watched the Facebook movie, great flick!!!!!!!!

Still need to know how to crack the case (assembly for vw60 lamp housing).

ANYONE???????

PS just bought a Sony Nex5 1080 camera. Smallest digital with interchangable lenses. LOVE it. Will post some 1080 video shot with an anamorphic 2.35 to one on the Nex5 projected with the vw60.
post #1455 of 1578
Hi,

I figured out how to take apart the lamp housing.

First you take off the wiring and where the wiring attaches to the housing. (About 4 screws I guess.)

There there's a place you use a small flat head screw driver to take the side off the assembly. It's fragile and pretty difficult even if you are used to stuff like this.

It's hard to explain but you can see where there is a tab and place for the screwdriver if you look around on the case a bit.

-Brian
post #1456 of 1578
Are the bare bulbs by themselves that much cheaper? Where do you even order those from?
post #1457 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Hi,

I figured out how to take apart the lamp housing.

First you take off the wiring and where the wiring attaches to the housing. (About 4 screws I guess.)

There there's a place you use a small flat head screw driver to take the side off the assembly. It's fragile and pretty difficult even if you are used to stuff like this.

It's hard to explain but you can see where there is a tab and place for the screwdriver if you look around on the case a bit.

-Brian

Brian, I know what you're talking about. Couldn't get it to come off. Are you pressing the little tab inside or what?

Tell me so I can do a you tube video showing how.

Thanks,

Allan
post #1458 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

Are the bare bulbs by themselves that much cheaper? Where do you even order those from?

Verge, be careful lots of aftermarket junk that only last 100 hours.

I bought them on ebay. They are real Philips bulbs, but are factory seconds or blems because of bad printing on the bulb. They are new and should be cool. But I can't get them in housing yet!
post #1459 of 1578
It's hard to describe but there is a tab mechanism. You have to pry it with a small flat screwdriver. The housing is brittle too and the first time a small section of mine broke off.
post #1460 of 1578
If you want maybe I can pull the assembly and try to better indicate the angle of attack.
post #1461 of 1578
Hey,

About to order the 3D-Vip Displayer so I can watch 3D Blu Rays on my VW60.

I have concerns about viability of 3D Blu Ray via the VW60 but the displayer is only $300 so I guess it's not such a big deal.

The glasses (another $200) are universal and RF so I think they are a solid buy even if I end up using them with some other display later on.

-Brian
post #1462 of 1578
Looking forward to your reports on this!

Considering getting a new passive 3D flat panel, but having the ability to use on multiple displays would be a nice side benefit.

Looks like flicker would be the worst issue. (30Hz per eye) I also wonder what artifacts would become visible if you set the player to 24fps since the VW60 refreshes at 96 but the glasses would be operating at 60Hz? Smoother or smearing?

Let us know!
post #1463 of 1578
Hey,

Still going back and forth between enabling 3D on the VW60 or getting a smaller direct view passive set for another room in the house.

As far as the 24fps goes... You have to turn that off from the start with the 3D Displayer. Another knock is it's only 5.1 for now (no 7.1 unless you have a more current AVR than mine and run though the AVR first.) Another knock is it outputs 720p. My VW60 would up-convert that naturally and 720p up-converted by my VW60 does look nice but it's still a issue.

The biggest thing though is the expensive glasses that have to be charged and so on. I can get 10+ pairs of the passive glasses free through the disney rewards program with points I otherwise don't know what to use for.

Also the direct view passive sets are orders of magnitude brighter so when the glasses dim the image you still out ahead....

Anyways... I don't have the cash in hand yet so I continue to debate. I'm not really a TV type fella so I actually don't know where a direct view set would go in my house.

-Brian
post #1464 of 1578
Ordered the 3D Displayer convertor and can't wait to see how the VW60 does with 3D!

Of course,... I'll let you know.
post #1465 of 1578
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post
If you want maybe I can pull the assembly and try to better indicate the angle of attack.
Brian, I've been busy with other things. I'm tired when it's VPL60 time, and I just want to watch the blu-rays , not bulb restle. I'll try and see if I can do it.

Let us know the 3D results!!!! WOW!
post #1466 of 1578
Hey,

Life (and car repairs) got in the way and I have to put the 3D VIP stuff aside for a while.

Hopefully soon I'll be able to try to pick one up again.


Edit- Disregard that... Displayer is shipped and I'll let you know all about how it does with the VW60 whenever it gets here.
-Brain
post #1467 of 1578
3D-Displayer is here and active 3D on the Black Pearl is beautiful.

I'll need a lot more time with this so I can't wait for later tonight but my first impression was Wow! Holy Cow! Oh My!

-Brian
post #1468 of 1578
LOL nice, did you get the one for ps3 games, or did you get the one for movies as well?
post #1469 of 1578
I got the "Displayer" which does games and movies.

Edit - Did some of both tonight. Games in the form of Wipeout and Motorstorm Pacific Rift and then followed by Tron Legacy.

Love 3D on the VW60.
post #1470 of 1578
*wrings hands*

Oh boy!!!
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