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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Here is my situation...

First you can see that my entertainment system is raised up on the brick hearth. The whole system is going to be too high to have perfect acoustics, but thats the only setup I can do, and I probably would not be able to tell the difference. Oh, it will be moved to the left to open up space on the right for a speaker. I have curtains/art as wall treatments on the opposite wall from the TV. BTW - I am only looking to do a 3.1 system here.

1. There is only 20.5" of depth on top of the brick hearth and I need to know what kind of foot print in a speaker I should be working with once it is wired, etc. I saw some that were like 16" deep and then I saw some that were like 9-12" deep. I would like to go with tower speakers.

2. Where would I put a center channel speaker in this setup? I do not want to raise the TV any higher as its high enough to not be "way too high". Can I put a center channel in the top right/left cubby? will being off centered be an issue? will heat be an issue?

Things to remember: I live in a NY apartment with a lady upstairs. I want a significant upgrade over the standard TV speakers. My listening habits are 10% music, 25% gaming, 25% Movies, 40% Cable HDTV. Also, I am not going to be in this apartment forever, so nothing that is hard to install or remove. My wife prefers the wood veneers and they have to be aesthetically pleasing so she's happy. It will be extremely difficult to audition speakers locally because I work crazy hours, so a 30-day in home test policy would be a plus as I will probably be buying these sight-unseen (or heard-unlistened? heh) My budget is supposed to be around $1k for speakers/receiver. I could probably get it to $1,500 while not sleeping on the couch.

Thank you for your help, it is greatly appreciated.

post #2 of 14
I think I'd suggest going 2.1 in your situation. Possibly even a 2.0 while you are in this apartment. Sure, you'll miss some of the very low stuff in movies (but you have neighbors to contend with anyway) but $1500 will go a long way toward some good mains. I'll even suggest some RBH TK-5CT towers msrp $799 pr. should be ok for the wife and looks like they will even match your entertainment system; and a receiver in the $400 range from Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo, or Harmon Kardon any of which will serve you well, just get the one that has the bells and whistles you want/need and/or the best one you can get for the lowest price.
post #3 of 14
1. Speaker dimensions of the ones you're intersted in should narrow it down for fit. AVR's have a sound balance (YPAO-Yamaha, Audessy-Onkyo, etc.) so exact placement isn't an issue as it once was.
2. Center channel can go in front of TV if enough room/not too big. Putting in the cubby may be an issue, not much so if L or R & in front of TV. Decent speakers are usually shielded to prevent interfrence from/to TV. Heat issues, usually none. If it feels real warm or hot to your hand then it's too much for speaker also.

As for the crazy hours...sick day.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
What do you all think of the Monitor Audio RS6's? Fantastic reviews, but I can not find any online vendors that carry them =(
post #5 of 14
I have not heard the RS6's (though they sure look nice), I did have some MA Silver 5i's and really enjoyed them. You will want a sub with the RS6's, you could get by with out a sub if you get some decent floor standers. Do you have a preference?
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
I actually have placement for a sub and I am on the ground floor, so I would not really mind having one, but at the same time, I don't really have a preference.
post #7 of 14
I would go for very slim and shallow towers. Your sound is going to be comprimised just based on the hard material in the environment. So at least get some good looking speakers I would look at Totem Arro's, Staff's and possibly the Hawk (where you won't need a sub). These speakers have furniture grade finishes on them . Their signature mahagony actually matches quite well with your existing shelves. I own the Arro's and they are the slimmest good sounding towers I could find. I also use some Yamaha slim towers that aren't too bad but they don't look good unless you like black.
post #8 of 14
What a very nice place for a wood-burning stove! I'd install that...

I have a couple thoughts on generic setup, not so much recommendations on speakers. Consider quality bookshelf speakers. This will allow you to place them more appropriately relative to ear-height.

Consider something else on which to place your TV - something narrower. Perhaps just a center channel as TV stand. Might need something else under it, but this might get the picture in a better spot for you also. Move the gear to a small cabinet/shelf unit adjacent (or otherwise in place of) the small end-table you have.

Consider also whether you could do any kind of acoustic treatment on the brick. Nice thick hanging rugs or tapestries, perhaps?

C
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
I was contemplating my situation and what if I just put a pair of X-LS's in the top 2 cubbies and a pair of X-SLS towers on either side? I don't mind working any sort of acoustic treatments short of encasing my room in egg crate foam lol.

Would the two X-LS's work as a center channel?

If I went that route, it would stay under budget and the wife would like that.
post #10 of 14
Only one center channel. Or none. There's another thread around here on that topic.
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
it would be just one center channel, but with 2 speakers.
post #12 of 14
One speaker. Only one speaker. Or none. Having two will produce worse results off-axis than none, and will probably also produce worse results on-axis. Comb filtering issues.

You could try a TM center with the tweeter close to the middle, on its side. One single TM center.
post #13 of 14
I would try a phantom center using good tower speakers and your AVR simulates a center with them. Search the threads for phantom center there is a lot of information out there.
post #14 of 14
kzx87,

A couple of observations:
Your cabinet is only 16.5" deep. I noticed that you don't have an AVR yet. It may end up sticking out and your glass doors may not be close. You will probably have to take a jigsaw and cut out the back of the cabinet to make room for the extra depth of your connections at the back of the AVR.

Visually you have a lot of height there and a lowboy type cabinet in the 18-22" high range may look better and may give you an opportunity to put a small center channel speaker in front of your display.

There are many cabinets available that are less than 26" tall. I bought one from Target in their Hudson line that is only 22" tall and 20" deep.
I assembled the cabinet without the sliding glass doors because my Sony ES receiver
comes out to the edge
You may want to consider investing in another cabinet and then work from there.

The X-LS speakers don't work well inside cabinets. I think they might even be rear ported and they are much bigger than most people realize.
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