Originally Posted by sfogg
"For you and others who suffer from the effects of RBE, 1 chip DLP is a much worse problem than bad color."
Yup, but to me I think of people living with RBE and off colors the same way.
Some people see xyz and can't stand it. Others either don't see xyz or see it but are not bothered by it.
xyz can be RBE, bad colors, SDE, MC, etc...etc...etc.
"My point was simply that the Radiance shouldn't be necessary to provide color correction to the display...that was JVC's job"
The JVC is what it is. One can make the same argument about anything. A Crystallio II should not be necessary to provide good deinterlacing and scaling either... that was the manufacturers job. Or input sizing, input calibrations, AR changes, greyscale calibration, NR functions...etc...etc...etc. Even more so when one considers the Crystallio and the JVC run the same hardware but obviously differ in implementation.
The reason video processors exist is because projector manufacturers haven't done everything as well as is possible and external equipment can be used to further optimize the situation. Bad colors are just another area projector manufacturers have dropped the ball... there are lots of balls on the ground. The Radiance just looks like it is the first to try and pick up the color ball.
The public is to blame here too. There isn't a single display, on the market or previously sold that doesn't need calibration. Calibration won't make all of them "color correct", perfect gray scale, perfect gamma, etc. however, it does improve the picture (significantly on some). Being in the calibration business, myself, along with every other calibrator in the Los Angeles/Southern California area should be booked with 3-4 calibrations a day continuously. Problem is, the people that purchase the displays don't know any better, they are totally unaware of the errors in their displays. To the uneducated populous, more, brighter color is better..... Unfortunately these people make up the 90+% of the display purchases. These are the people the displays are designed around, the marketing studies, the targeted selling price, the needed features, etc. Manufacturers are not going to spend a penny on an additional feature that they feel they can do without (read as sell the forecasted quantity or more). It's all about profits.
Myself, if just for the business I am in, would like to see full controls on every display, and every display capable of accurate calibration results. I get satisfaction out of calibrations the conform to the standards when completed.
The future is in the consumers, as they demand picture accuracy, the manufacturers will conform because they will speak with their purchases. If JVC or any manufacturer can sell all the displays/projectors they can produce, why change? They don't care about anything more than the profit. JVC has probably had more returns of projectors for manufacturing malfunctions than the number of us actively concerned about controls to produce accurate picture output.
We are fortunate that the need for video processors started with the CRT projectors and has now carried over to the new displays. Jim at Lumagen, works with the input from a lot of calibrators, this is one reason there are controls on his video processors that don't exist on other VPs. This is also the reason he is developing a CMS while the others don't. Until the manufacturers are forced by their target consumers to produce accurate displays, an external VP, such as the Lumagen will be necessary for many.
I feel it is necessary to have a Lumagen DVI/HDP/HDQ at a minimum with the RS1, just for then needed 11-step gray scale and gamma correction. Unfortunately the uncorrected gray scale is not uniform and the gray scale is different with each Gamma selection (Normal,A,B,C). This can only be corrected in the Lumagen. With my RS1, since I don't have any steps in the gray scale that go plus green, I don't see many errors in flesh tones, other than those in the source. Color decoder corrections for the source also helps.
It seems that the current focus is on contrast ratio and rightfully so. Until the RS1, I didn't see a bulb projector, at any price, that I wanted to swap for my Marquee 9500LC. I am still disappointed with the RS1 black level, with the exception it is not as critical to a little ambient light.
The public just needs to become aware they are being cheated by manufacturers, selling displays that don't and can't produce an accurate image, based upon current standards.