First Sat Arbitron “Book” released - Page 2

Is that worse than Sirius paying $416 per listener?

The ratings are only to show where the listeners are. Not to specifiy a channel making or losing money. Sirius and XM work mainly on subs, very little from ads.

I hated O&A when I had XM, I like Howard on Sirius, but I thought he would have more listeners. I know that he had way more than everyone else in talk radio, but I thought he would have more than they have. I guess he has about 25% give or take, but I thought it would be more.

Slightly off topic, but if you want to read some postings as pathetic as the Sirius vs XM or Howie vs O&A, check out the HD DVD forum this morning. The Blu-ray folks are in there trashing HD DVD becasue the $98 Wal-mart deal has them quaking in their boots. They're afraid that they'll end up with a $1000 doorstop when the war is over. Pretty funny to read. Just for the record I am not in either camp, but I guess I'm pulling for HD DVD because Sony annoys me. Pat

Did you read post 1? Howard's 1.5 mill to O&A's 200.000 is much more than 25%. Remember, it took cable, sat tv YEARS to establish where they are now. Sat radio will take a little more because of not having a visual, but it's growing.

I think he was referring to 25% of Sirius listeners. The 1.2M number isn't in line with the theory that Howie casused Sirius to go from 400k subs to 4M subs (at the time).

It can be because it was for this rating period. The 400k to 4 mill is possible because it may have been the Stern factor and the numbers were the actual for that specific time. Still, it's huge compared to any other show on both companies.

Thats what I meant. I was mad at XM for dropping Shannon Burke (his show was great, better than O&A for sure) and decided to switch it up and try Sirius. It took a little while to really get into Howard, but once your " in the loop" and have a little background on the show its pretty funny. (I live in a town where we did not get him, only heard him 5 or 6 times when traveling and saw the TV shows.) He tells it like he has all 6 million listeners at the same time.

Of course stern literally owns them all, so in one show, he gets more listeners than every other show combined for the entire week, even with 37% less audience...even if the next rating reflect O and A being there and not in rerun, it's not going to change much. It's just not, do you think stern fans don't listen to best of's when he isn't there.....

Really of course stern won, but to me the craziest thing of all is paying 55 million for oprah. I mean haha look how that ended up. Jesus what a mess, no wonder that ceo left, they probably made him.

As for the person who mentioned imus and demographics lol. come on who gives a crap what demo it is when you can only pull a 1.6 share for christ sake. Howard is just right , it defies all logic he gets ads.

The merger needs to go through that is one thing that is totally clear from the numbers. The whole thing really is turned out to be pretty funny. Hard to brag when you only have 200k listeners, and even with next book when it goes back up to 220,000 listeners because its live...that's one big foot right to the balls for them.

I have never, ever listened to best of, just like I never watch a repeat of a TV show, I have no interest in it. When Howie is on vacation I check out everything else Sirius has to offer, and still enjoy it!

hdtv00 is just not paying attention. When Oand A were suspended for 30 days there were no replays or best ofs. No reference of them at all except when they would be back.

Great. You keep using the suspension rap. Accoring to your reply, if they were on, live or best ofs, they'd have a similar rating or beat Howard? When are you going to give up your ridiculous analogy! You don't want to accept defeat and forcefully, blindly, not let it go!

Are you for real?

Bottom line: O&A suck, they don't have any substancial ratings either sat or terrestial, markets keep dropping them, they're offering to work for free.(talk about desperate)

What more proof do you want? Your drowning in a puddle! Your digging your hole deeper! Be a man and admit your wrong and stop fighting a lost battle!

Wow, you rode the short bus to school didn't you? Please reread post 22.

Read it and not the point. Pat, you keep finding excuses. Best ofs, live, whatever, they suck. Even if Howard didn't exist, someone else would beat them. That's how bad they are.

vitod, Twice you have said that I believe they would have similar ratings, which I have never said. So I guess your point boils down to the rest of your post which is your opinion. I do believe that the cost per generated sub is lower for XM, but I do not have all the numbers required to calculate that. How about we agree to enjoy the show that we prefer and leave it at that, so this thread doesn't get locked. After all we're practically neighbors.

No pat you just dont get it , IT"S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. It wont matter if they're live, replayed, dead whatever. They can't pull ratings on old radio which is why they're being dumped left and right. That can't generate an audiance, and never have, not in stern numbers anyway. They can't have best of shows, what they cant pull a .5 share lol with live shows, of course they wouldn't put on replays. O and A have no such thing...hehe. I'm only half kidding.....

Like I said who cares, like anyone with half a brain and not BS'ed OandA fan knows the reality of radio ratings , sat or otherwise. The only thing they are capable of is BIG talk, no ratings, it's been shown year after year and now , old place vs new place. There's a reason they talk crap about stern, and not imus and the assortment of other tards. You pick on the top when you're at the bottom. I wonder what excuse they'll have to come up with next book lol.

Another crazy thing is kubie being replaced by imus, how funny is that non sense. Man radio is a freaking mess major. No wonder they're hiring everyone and their mother to fight a xm and sirrus merger, it's just crazy. You hear jesse jackson take on being against it lol classic....

hdtv00, again, not sure you're listening or have read all the threads. Your ADD style post is too all over the place to even respond to, so I'll just say it's great that you have an opinion, enjoy.

Its only to mess with you. Which is funny, I mean just look how many times you've posted in THIS page alone, you should be embarrassed really. It's rather funny is all. But go ahead reply yet again, defend your two nobodies. Hell I bet riley martin gets better ratings than your two pals.

That or you're just trying to pass my post count lol. But we all know really know why.

All I ever wantd to point out is what they paid for oprah, and how insane that was, everyone with half a clue knows in no reality will OandA ever beat stern. Heck when you go back to when you had to pay for them , what'd they had 25,000 listeners....

Only 4 more to go after this one and we're tied, yeee ha. Congrats on the slighlty more coherent post. Also, let us know when you actually subscribe to one of the Sat radio providers, your opinion will mean more then.

seems to me the Howard fans get so bent out of shape when a fan of O&A talks about their show.

keep listening to Stern...i did for years and years and years.....my brother introduced me to his channel 9 show back in the 80's. I just felt over the years he got a little too "hollywood" for me and lost that appeal he used to have where he was down to earth and close to his fans....now he's just a rich guy who takes vacations 1/3 of the year.

O&A will never have Stern numbers....that's why he's paid so well....i like O&A cause they have that down to earth feel that Stern used to have........they give back to their fans A LOT and they don't act like they are bigger then them (for the most part).

Stern will always have bigger numbers as long as he's on the radio....and O&A will always have a job....they always have (unless of course they were suspended again)

Pat, don't get me wrong. I actually like you. The thing is that when a positive is mentioned about Howard, you have to down grade it somehow. It seems you can't stand it. Seriously, what's your beef? If Stern was doing miserably, I'd be the first to acknowledge it. Stern fan or not. If O&A won the ratings, I'd give you a hand shake.

This thread is about the ratings. Not what Stern did or is doing and what "the boys"are. If Howard is a rich, not caring for his fans guy, then why is his fan base so big compared to O&A? If they "give back" to their fans, why don't the fans grow and support them? Fans can grow dramatically because they're on free radio. If they are so scary good, why do they keep talking about him? Wouldn't they be advertising Stern? Why give Stern the satisfaction?

It seems that every O&A fan is giving excuses based that they weren't on enough and therefore the dismal rating. Ok. Let's wait for the next and see what happens.

To all the Stern followers out there drop the kool aid for a minute and actualy engage your brains.

First off, the survey was over an 8 week period. The first two weeks of that time were best of. The second two weeks were live. The last four, THEY WERE NOT ON IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM AT ALL. They were not even allowed to have thier name mentioned on the station. How can you have ratings if they were not even on? You can't.

Second, this study was not sanctioned by either Xm OR Sirius. There was no Sat radio column. Everything that registerd for sat, people had to make thier own column. Now when people who live in an area that broadcast O&A via FM wrote down O&A, they were counted under FM, NOT XM. Big differance. Surely you can see how this would affect raitings. Everytime someone wrote Stern, it registered under Sirus, as that's the only place you can hear him.

Also, I wonder how many people listin to O&A in the morning Via D*? Again not counted.

This is FACT, not spin.

Now XM has stated that in thier own studys, done by actualy calling subscribers, they have a number that is over 1 million a week for O&A.

Big difference.

what excuse am i giving???....i stated the fact that Howard is bigger, he is and always will be now, plus he's been around so much longer which gives him that much bigger of a fan base...plus, yes he is good and so is his show......no where did i say he sucks at what he does now. He also was one of the originators of shock jock radio.....now a days they are a dime a dozen so people have MANY more choices of who they want to listen to for their laughs....back in the day it was pretty much just him and people tend to stick to things that they know best and are more comfratable with.

some people don't care that Stern is bigger then life now....i do, maybe you don't....to each his own....why do take offense to that statement??? Where did i say they are "scary" good????....i said i prefer them...that's my opinion is all.

i like the fact that O&A are brutally honest...i like that Opie tells what's on his mind no matter who it offends or if he does they could possibly be kicked off the radio.

and please give it up that O&A ALWAYS talk about Stern....you obviously don't listen to the show enough....i've listened for the most part every day since i got my XM radio back in July and i think they've talked about him about 4 or 5 times for about 15 minutes each time.....is that a lot???? they do a 5 hour show 5 days a week....but i guess that hour and fifteen minutes is a lot to you.

Ohh and add the fact that thier slaries are WAY lower than Stern, they make a crap load more money for the company than Stern.

If they are so terrible, why did Stern have them gaged for years?

Excuses......again.