Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch
Hey Grandarf - ain't that the truth! It is funny how people always want something else. I though have Energy's and Totem (and Ascend).
It was funny, but while I was reading your first response I was thinking about cars and then you brought it up in the second response. Just closed a deal last week on a new vehicle myself. I was torn between luxury and practicality, but in the end the practicality won out (and saved me about 8 grand in the process) but during my research it was rather disheartening to see American's buying my car in the US for about 10 grand less then what I'm paying. I was very very tempted to go that route myself but in the end I decided to keep my local economy going. Not to mention the fact that it's a gentleman's agreement in place now with the manufacturer in terms of warranty work. They'll honor it but you need pay up front first then submit your bill into the USA office for reimbursement. With my luck if something happened that required a major repair I would bet they wouldn't honor the agreement.
I think it depends on the manufacturer, some will honor it and some not, but anyhow, used is also a good choice for vehicles sometimes
Congrats on the new vehicle!
Originally Posted by brucefan
So after a long search I finally bought (ordered) a pair of Totem Sttafs and a Totem mite center today after never even considering Totem speakers. The Sttaf were the only speakers I auditioned that gave me the wow factor (i'm no audiophile...I'm replacing 18 year old Mirage speakers). Now though, i'm having buyers remorse because I'm reading this thread too late. When we heard the Sttafs the salesperson said we should hear the Hawks as well. To us, the Hawks just didn't sound the $500 difference better than the Sttafs...in fact they sounded a little too bassy....
Woa, really weird as imho the Sttaff is significantly 'more bassy' (more emphasis on bass) than the Hawks...
Maybe you mean that the Hawks played lower than the Sttafs? More bass extension, deeper bass? If so, that's probably the case, Sttafs rated 39hz (I don't believe they're really 39hz though...) and Hawks 32hz (I don't believe they really go down to 32hz +/- 3dB too)
maybe it was the acoustics in the room or setup?
I don't see how, should affect both speakers relatively the same way... weird!
Anyway...now that I'm reading this thread, it seems the Sttafs aren't good for home theater use (it would be 75/25 - H/T to Music). Let me describe my home theater...it's my family room, about 14x20 with 9' ceiling...we listen at "normal" levels...we don't crank it and I have a Velodyne sub. Should I stick with what I bought (since it's the weekend the actual order won't go in until monday morning) or since they're better for H/T, do I change to the Hawks and take a chance that in my enviornment that bassy sound I heard won't be as bad?
The Hawks aren't as bassy as Sttafs imho, that's after owning the Sttafs and hearing the Hawks on a couple of occasions. My totem dealer said that even though the Hawks cost more, the Sttafs are better suited to play loud/HT than the Hawks... Rationalizing, I don't see it, IMHO the Rev driver in the Hawks is better than the Sttaf woofer, but who knows... If you're not pushing the sttafs above what they can handle, it's a moot point anyhow, if you don't crank them and are playing them within their limits, you're fine. Most people who'd say they're not fine is probably because they won't play really really loud, but if you're not into that, then it doesn't matter!
IMHO, the reason to go for the Hawks would be that they're a better speaker, and you prefer them to the Sttafs. If you're not quite sure, go back to the dealer and listen to both again. Do note that placement
plays an immense role in how speakers sound, so make sure both Sttafs/Hawks are at the same place in the room, and try moving them back/foward and see how that impacts the sound. Your own location in the room also impacts the sound.
Originally Posted by JP.x
You heard different brands? You liked the Sttaf? That's why you ordered them?
Stick with 'em!
It is a bad habit - of mine too - to read and search about an acquired product after purchase.
And you will always find negative comments about every product.
But remember: you liked them, deal done!
And I cannot believe the Sttafs will be bad for HT - I use them for the same purpose!
The issue here is doing the research AFTER buying the product... Research first, buy after... There's something though about the 'WOW' factor that you have to be careful with. Sometimes the speaker which wows you isn't the best speaker, might just be something like increased trebble/bass or whatever, where in short term it seems like it sounds better, but after living with them you get to really get to familiarize with them and sometimes notice things you didn't notice in that short, 'wow!' audition...
Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch
bruce - I'll second what JP said. Problem here and other places is it's full of 'opinion' that often times are presented as 'fact'.
There's a lot of speakers people 'brag' about here that I've heard that I can't stand. They're garbage and I wouldn't put them in any room of mine if they were free. However, does that make them bad speakers? I'd say no, as other people love them and hey, it's their money, their ears, let them enjoy.
If you like the Sttafs, then you like the Sttafs. You're not the only one who does (Totem has sold thousands of pairs) and you won't be the last. If you start reading too much, you'll end up with speakers that cost more than your house, and they probably won't sound much better to you than the Sttafs do
You can just focus on the positive opinions out there... laff'
Price Paid: $1850.00 from Goossens Hifi, Echt,
I upgraded my audio gear from NAD to Van Medevoort, a high end dutch audio equipment manufacturer. So, the next step was to look for a new pair of speakers. I had Dali serie Blue "Live" for more than 5 years.
I first noticed, when auditioning, the big sound difference coming from each type of speaker. JM Lab, Focal, ALR Jordan, Dali, B&W, Kef, Hepta, Epos, Mission, Tannoy you name it, and I heard them. They all sounded ok, but somehow the bass was to present, more uncontrolled so to say.
And then I heard Totem Sttaf. Wow.
Controlled bas, plenty of low and a superb mid and high. Subwoofer, not necessary. Save your money. The Sttaf gives plenty, but controlled. The way I like it. Each detail is presented by this speaker. I also heard the Hawk, which generated a bit more fuller sound, but looking at the price tag, the Sttaf is for sure an excellent choice.
Make sure you position them at least 50cm form the back wall, place them on piece of stone with dampeners and you will be treated which a very real / natural sound.
I cannot think of a better pair of speakers for the money I have spend. Euro 1850.
Superb mid and high.
Solid and compact design: "how do they get such a sound out of this sleak cabinet? Well done Totem Acoustic!!!"
Price Paid: $1600.00 from Aris Audio
The Totem Acoustic Sttaf gets my vote for the best quality of build and sound for your hard earned dollar. My first speaker from Totem was their Hawk model and I am convinced it is their best speaker, and the best choice for under $3,000 - period! But....I wanted to get into tube electronics and ended up buying a 40 wpc Primaluna Prologue 2 integrated tube amplifier, which made it necessary to find a speaker that could be driven properly, with proper dynamics and great sound when driven by a lot less watts.
So, I purchased a pair of Totem Sttafs in their moghagany finish and I have to say that I am very impressed with both the sound and build of the cabinet. The quality of the speaker cabinet in particular, is virtually indistinguishable from the $1000 more per pair Hawk, except for the speaker posts and the Sttaf has a wooden plinth that the speaker sets on versus the "claws" of the Hawks. Otherwise, it appears to be exactly the same!
Sound wise, across the board, most reasonable enthusiasts in the hobby will find the Sttaf as a excellent to superb performer. It has a HUGE soundstage, a beautiful midrange, can reach down to 40 hz and reveals a very high degree of resolution, (just a smidge less than the Hawk in the highest frequencies, probably due to the soft dome tweeter of the Sttaf versus the metal dome of the Hawk), is harmonically rich, dynamic, and. in my home - disappears into the soundstage! Did I mention, the seamless integration of the drivers? You are onto something special when a reasonably priced floorstanding speaker can do that! Add to that, any medium powered amp of 40-60 watts can drive it and you have a real winner!
So, if you just want to get back to the music or are downsizing to a high end set up of minimal investment, the Totem Sttaf should be on your must audition list.
Btw, you can still go out and hear different stuff, see if you find speakers you prefer... If so, if it at the same dealer, (ok demoing more stuff might seem kinda weird then lol), you could probably trade in for full value, if it's another shop, well you might just and up losing a 10% restocking fee and end up with the better speakers...
But mostly, imho, it's just doubt, if you're like me I don't think it'll pass unless you really go out there and hear out more stuff. Or just spend some more time with the speakers and see if you really love them or not!