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post #421 of 1688
Hello all,

A few months ago I found an abandoned Sony KV34HS510 outside a home who's owners were moving. I took the t.v. hoping it was still working but, of course, when I plugged it in, it didn't turn on. It gave me the characteristic 6 and 7 red blinks of death. Thankfully, after doing some research on the internet, I found a repair manual and forums such as this one that have pointed me in the right direction. I just ordered my two IC chips and am waiting patiently for them. I should receive them sometime this week and will update this post once I begin my repair.
post #422 of 1688
Be very careful removing the old chips, make sure they are loose, don't want to tear the board traces. Hope to hear how good it's now working!
post #423 of 1688
I received my two IC chips about an hour ago and rushed home to finish my repair. Two days ago, I decided to begin taking apart my t.v. to get a head start on my repair. I removed the rear cover and contemplated removing the entire D-board to simplify my repair. I decided it wasn't feasible to do this because I didn't want to start yanking large red wires out I didn't want to put my t.v. face down and cut plastic pieces off the bottom, so, I decided to remove the eight screws that hold the D-board in place and prop it up to give me easier access to the solder points underneath. I searched the TSM website for the notorious chips of death and read a note that recommended I also replace two large capacitors (C6503 and C6590) and two resistors (EY092 and EY095) to prevent the problem from returning. So, I bought the capacitors, resistors, and IC sockets. My wife bought the IC chips off ebay. I received the parts from TSM yesterday and began the laborious task of replacing the capacitors and resistors. I also took out the IC's and soldered the sockets in their place. That took me about 3 hours to do and, after I was done, put the D-board back the way it was before. Fast-forward to today and the first thing I did when I got home was to put my anti-static wrist strap on and put those IC's in their sockets. Some cursing and 10 minutes later and I can proudly say my t.v. works again!! It was probably the best $29 I've ever spent considering I got the t.v. for free... Some lessons learned about this experience:

1) Be patient. I found myself trying to rush, which isn't a good thing when trying to fix something.

2) Make sure you have quality tools on hand. I labored through this process with a semi-functioning solder extractor.

3) Solder wick is a must! Especially if replacing large components.

All in all, it was a fun experience and an even better feeling when you see the fruits of your labor in the form of an fully-functioning HDTV! I knew that military training I received in electronics would come in handy some day!
post #424 of 1688
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Originally Posted by Juancho1 View Post

I received my two IC chips about an hour ago and rushed home to finish my repair. Two days ago, I decided to begin taking apart my t.v. to get a head start on my repair. I removed the rear cover and contemplated removing the entire D-board to simplify my repair. I decided it wasn't feasible to do this because I didn't want to start yanking large red wires out I didn't want to put my t.v. face down and cut plastic pieces off the bottom, so, I decided to remove the eight screws that hold the D-board in place and prop it up to give me easier access to the solder points underneath. I searched the TSM website for the notorious chips of death and read a note that recommended I also replace two large capacitors (C6503 and C6590) and two resistors (EY092 and EY095) to prevent the problem from returning. So, I bought the capacitors, resistors, and IC sockets. My wife bought the IC chips off ebay. I received the parts from TSM yesterday and began the laborious task of replacing the capacitors and resistors. I also took out the IC's and soldered the sockets in their place. That took me about 3 hours to do and, after I was done, put the D-board back the way it was before. Fast-forward to today and the first thing I did when I got home was to put my anti-static wrist strap on and put those IC's in their sockets. Some cursing and 10 minutes later and I can proudly say my t.v. works again!! It was probably the best $29 I've ever spent considering I got the t.v. for free... Some lessons learned about this experience:

1) Be patient. I found myself trying to rush, which isn't a good thing when trying to fix something.

2) Make sure you have quality tools on hand. I labored through this process with a semi-functioning solder extractor.

3) Solder wick is a must! Especially if replacing large components.

All in all, it was a fun experience and an even better feeling when you see the fruits of your labor in the form of an fully-functioning HDTV! I knew that military training I received in electronics would come in handy some day!


Congratulations on your successful repair!

I know the wonderful feeling when the TV fires up properly.


I have a couple of questions.

What is the model number of your Sony?

Did you need to "pre-bend" the IC legs in order to align them to the socket holes?
post #425 of 1688
My Inlaws 34xbr800 died 3 weeks ago. So I took them to buy a new Tv cause they didn't want to pay to fix it and if I fixed it they still wouldn't be able to trust it.

So I picked it up and brought it home. I found avs forums and this post and did the repair.

The issue was, 6 blinks, which is low B+. Which means 1 or both mcz3001d's are bad.

I bought 2 18 pin dip mounts at $.10 each and 2 chips for $10.00 a piece.

Did the repair last night and all is well this night. I also cleared the code after repair was done.

No codes so far and Tv powers right up.

This has been a great post with some great info and pics. Thanks to everyone here.

Now I have a great 34" widescreen HD Tv for the bedroom.

Thank You!!!
post #426 of 1688
Congratulations on your successful repairs! (Now, I need to find out why mine is unsuccessful!)

Robert F: prebending the legs vertically is a good idea, to avoid forcing the chip or bending it wrong.
post #427 of 1688
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Originally Posted by jdre View Post


Robert F: prebending the legs vertically is a good idea, to avoid forcing the chip or bending it wrong.


Agreed!

I needed to slightly bend the legs outward on both of the ICs I installed. That was easier to do before I installed the sockets.
post #428 of 1688
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Originally Posted by dilla View Post


7. Next disconnect the large red wire that is connected to the CRT tube glass. Be careful-- lift the rubber flap and using thumb an another finger rotate the flap and connector away/off. I was told that I could discharge the voltage by touching the metal clips under the flap to the metal surrounding the fly back on the D-board; this is to ground.

8. There are two more wires one red and one white that have to be disconnected leading from the Fly back up to a board connected to the back of the CRT tube. I recommend cutting both of these. I tried removing the white one and the clip holding it broke off. The wire in both of these are solid and not strand or braided, so I assumed the metal clip was splitting the signal or circuit. To make the repair I desoldered the clip and soldered a plain wire to make the bridge and resoldered the white wire to it later.

I have the Sony KV-40XBR800 purchased new in Dec. 2002 from CC. I am right in the middle of this 6-7 Blink repair, new IC's are installed, and am now ready to re-connect everything but I have a problem and need help.

Upon beginning the repair, I had slid out the component tray examining the situation. Later, I noticed that the "white" wire coming from the Flyback to the C-Board (?) behind the Yoke had disconnected itself from the C-Board or perhaps got pulled a bit. There are three(3) wires coming out of the Flyback. One large red wire that goes to the CRT, one smaller gauge red wire going to the C-Board behind the Yoke, and then one smaller gauge "white" wire w/a red connection tip that I think goes to the C-Board as well. I can not seem to find exactly where this white is to be re-connected. I welcome & appreciate all help in this matter. Thanks.

PS: I quoted "dilla" as he mentioned the white wire on the Flyback. This is Post #395 on Page 14.
post #429 of 1688
White wire with red tip connects to CN9009 along the bottom edge of the CX or C board. Did it pull off the red part, if so, make sure you can get the wire connected, or no picture, hope you already fixed it.
post #430 of 1688
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Originally Posted by jdre View Post

White wire with red tip connects to CN9009 along the bottom edge of the CX or C board. Did it pull off the red part, if so, make sure you can get the wire connected, or no picture, hope you already fixed it.

Thanks for your response. The red tip was still attached to the white wire. After a lot of research on the net and some help, I did find out that this is the G2 Wire, and goes in the C-Board at CN9009. Figuring out how to re-attatch it, I removed the red tip, exposing the one wire. I had a choice of two holes to re-solder to. One hole that is on the left as you're facing the C-Board from the back had no solder. The hole on the right had solder, so I chose this one. I de-soldered it clearing the hole, threaded the stripped white wire in and soldered it in place. The length of that wire does not allow it to any further over.

I then buttoned everything back up, turned on the TV, no go. I heard a click, got 3 red blinking lights, and nothing. No picture, not anything. Very disappointing. Right now, I'm at a standstill. Did I connect that white G2 wire properly? Could that be what's wrong?
post #431 of 1688
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Thanks for your response. The red tip was still attached to the white wire. After a lot of research on the net and some help, I did find out that this is the G2 Wire, and goes in the C-Board at CN9009. Figuring out how to re-attatch it, I removed the red tip, exposing the one wire. I had a choice of two holes to re-solder to. One hole that is on the left as you're facing the C-Board from the back had no solder. The hole on the right had solder, so I chose this one. I de-soldered it clearing the hole, threaded the stripped white wire in and soldered it in place. The length of that wire does not allow it to any further over.

I then buttoned everything back up, turned on the TV, no go. I heard a click, got 3 red blinking lights, and nothing. No picture, not anything. Very disappointing. Right now, I'm at a standstill. Did I connect that white G2 wire properly? Could that be what's wrong?

Well that's frustrating.

I have no idea if the G2 wire is causing the 3 blink problem, but here are some general suggestions.

If you haven't already, you might want to disconnect and firmly reconnect any connectors that you pulled apart during the repair. You might even want to pull and reseat the ICs in the sockets. Maybe there's a bad connection somewhere.

Did you buy any spare MCZ3001D ICs? If so, you might want to swap one of those out with the installed ICs in the event you got a bad IC. (That's probably unlikely but it's easy to check with the sockets.)

How well did your desoldering go? Is there any chance that you pulled up any of the PCB trace material during that?

Finally, does the three blink pattern repeat? In other words, does the standby light blink three times, pause and blink three times again? If not, it's not a diagnostic code. If it does repeat you might want to search for possible three blink causes.

Good Luck!
post #432 of 1688
Hi Robert, thanks for your help. The 3 red blinks is a one time deal. It only happens when you push the power button on the remote. There is a click, but not the whump you normally hear when the TV's degaussing at start, then the 3 red blinking sequence, and then nothing. No pic, not anything.

I have unplugged all connections I touched during my IC repair, and re-plugged them carefully, etc. One thing I'm unsure of is that G2 white wire connection. This is my concern and it may not even matter. On the end was a little red connector tip that apparently had 2 little prongs. When I took it off, there was only one wire there, so I chose to solder it to the right hole that had solder on it, leaving the other hole blank. When I saw a pic on the internet, both of those little prongs were in their holes there on the C-Board. I can't help wondering if I did this G2 wire connection properly. Do you have schematics, etc. on this part?
post #433 of 1688
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

Hi Robert, thanks for your help. The 3 red blinks is a one time deal. It only happens when you push the power button on the remote. There is a click, but not the whump you normally hear when the TV's degaussing at start, then the 3 red blinking sequence, and then nothing. No pic, not anything.

I have unplugged all connections I touched during my IC repair, and re-plugged them carefully, etc. One thing I'm unsure of is that G2 white wire connection. This is my concern and it may not even matter. On the end was a little red connector tip that apparently had 2 little prongs. When I took it off, there was only one wire there, so I chose to solder it to the right hole that had solder on it, leaving the other hole blank. When I saw a pic on the internet, both of those little prongs were in their holes there on the C-Board. I can't help wondering if I did this G2 wire connection properly. Do you have schematics, etc. on this part?

Unfortunately, I don't have any additional information on that part. Perhaps one the service technicians that are also forum members could help out.

I'd suggest swapping the wire to the other possible location but I'd worry that might short something out.

Unless something was damaged during the repair, you would think that you could at least get back to your original 6/7 blink pattern.

Did you search for possible causes of the non-repeating three blink sequence?

Try a search on Agoraquest's "Television Troubleshooting" forum also.
post #434 of 1688
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Originally Posted by RobertF View Post

Unfortunately, I don't have any additional information on that part. Perhaps one the service technicians that are also forum members could help out.

I'd suggest swapping the wire to the other possible location but I'd worry that might short something out.

Unless something was damaged during the repair, you would think that you could at least get back to your original 6/7 blink pattern.

Did you search for possible causes of the non-repeating three blink sequence?

Try a search on Agoraquest's "Television Troubleshooting" forum also.

Ok, will do. I am definitely afraid of unintentionally shorting out something too. Leaving that left hole blank has me wondering too, and maybe this was "ground" or something that needs to be connected for the G2 circuit to work properly. The TV "acts" like it wants to come on.
post #435 of 1688
Cajieboy:
3 non-repeating blinks is what my set did with a few pins not properly connected from the PC board to the IC socket. Traces were torn. Also check chips are in the socket fully and no pins missed the holes. After fixing that, I'm back to the 6 blinks, repeating.

Your CN9009 white wire you have it in right. If it's soldered in the white area within that oval mark CN9009 2 pins it's fine.
post #436 of 1688
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Originally Posted by jdre View Post

Cajieboy:
3 non-repeating blinks is what my set did with a few pins not properly connected from the PC board to the IC socket. Traces were torn. Also check chips are in the socket fully and no pins missed the holes. After fixing that, I'm back to the 6 blinks, repeating.

Your CN9009 white wire you have it in right. If it's soldered in the white area within that oval mark CN9009 2 pins it's fine.

Thanks, that is very good news in a way, because now I know what area to concentrate on instead of being stopped dead in my tracks on this repair. How did you fix those traces that were torn?

PS: When I de-soldered the old IC's, they both came very easily with holes clear.
post #437 of 1688
I fixed the traces with small wire, clipped off spare resistors. Also, did you make sure the ICs were positioned with the notch to the left toward the dots (when looking from rear of TV). Like in this image: Also, bending one pin over would shot it down. Easiest to trace circuits with ohmmeter, make sure all is connected.

post #438 of 1688
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Originally Posted by jdre View Post

I fixed the traces with small wire, clipped off spare resistors. Also, did you make sure the ICs were positioned with the notch to the left toward the dots (when looking from rear of TV). Like in this image: Also, bending one pin over would shot it down. Easiest to trace circuits with ohmmeter, make sure all is connected.


Yes, the IC's are oriented in the correct position. That's the very first thing I checked out because I forgotten to double check one of the IC's. I had marked the corner w/whiteout to make it easy to see. Sure enough, they were OK in that department. I may just de-solder the whole mess and start again. I think something went wrong w/my first attempt, that's for sure. Not quite ready yet to call in a real Sony Tech!

I've been taking a short break from the DIY repair to think it all over, and also I've busy getting business affairs & errands completed before I take off to New Orleans on Thursday. I'll be away for 3-4 weeks conducting biz, visiting family and enjoying a bit of Mardi Gras. Tonight, I had movie night w/the wife viewing "Remembering Sarah Marshall" on my reference quality 18-yr. old Sony 27" XBR (never once had a problem) at 6' viewing distance. Good movie! Cocktails began at midnight w/Bob Dylan's album "Desire". Cheers and thanks for your help.
post #439 of 1688
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

...... I think something went wrong w/my first attempt, that's for sure. Not quite ready yet to call in a real Sony Tech!...

Another possibility is that you've done everything perfectly but the problem is not related to the MCZ3001D ICs.

Also, does your 40XBR800 have a third MCZ3001D IC located on the A-Board? My KV-36XBR400's A-Board has this IC and a Sony repair tech once told me that it can also cause power up problems. He also said that third IC was often overlooked in repair attempts.
post #440 of 1688
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Originally Posted by RobertF View Post

Another possibility is that you've done everything perfectly but the problem is not related to the MCZ3001D ICs.

Also, does your 40XBR800 have a third MCZ3001D IC located on the A-Board? My KV-36XBR400's A-Board has this IC and a Sony repair tech once told me that it can also cause power up problems. He also said that third IC was often overlooked in repair attempts.

I had forgotten about that 3rd IC on the A-Board. What bothers me is that now I the 3-blinking-light-then-off problem, rather than a 6-7 continous blinking light problem. That has me scratching my head and concluding it must be something I did regarding the two IC's I replaced. What do you think?
post #441 of 1688
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

I had forgotten about that 3rd IC on the A-Board. What bothers me is that now I the 3-blinking-light-then-off problem, rather than a 6-7 continous blinking light problem. That has me scratching my head and concluding it must be something I did regarding the two IC's I replaced. What do you think?

Yes, your logic makes sense to me. You would think that you should at least be able to get back to where you were before.
post #442 of 1688
40XBR800 hasn't got the A board MCZ3001D chip, it shares the same manual as my set. Have a nice vacation!
post #443 of 1688
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Originally Posted by jdre View Post

40XBR800 hasn't got the A board MCZ3001D chip, it shares the same manual as my set. Have a nice vacation!

Thanks for the input. I wondered if the 40XBR800 had the third IC.

Well that resolves that concern!

Bob
post #444 of 1688
I have had my set a little over 5 years, the TV started the 6-blinks in January just after the 5 year warranty expired in December. Did some searching and found this thread. Ordered the parts and went to RS for the Desoldering Iron. Practiced on a junk board with the desolder iron and started down eclipsedave's excelent instructions [Post #108], all except for doing the repair upside down (which I find remarkable). I tilted the TV on to it's face for the repair which worked out nicely. Attached is the surface I used for tilting the TV onto it's face without having to lift it. The underlying carpet allowed me to move/slide the TV around. Other tips I found useful.

1) Insert the IC into the socket before soldering the socket to the board.
2) The RS 45w Desoldering Iron runs really hot, I plugged it into my Weller wlc100 and was able to adjust the wattage.

I am happy to report this repair was successful all due to this wonderful forum and great instructions and tips. Thanks!!
LL
post #445 of 1688
Congratulations, gotta love the 32HS510! I just got my "new" 34HS510 started up today.

I discovered something that could happen to others here who cut the plastic frame on the bottom of the D board, you can easily cut the ground trace which keeps the new ICs from working and you will get the same old 6 blinks. Will post pictures of the board damage later, within a day.
post #446 of 1688
Not if your careful
post #447 of 1688
I just don't get why anyone would butcher the chassis frame when the board can be removed so easily and turned.
post #448 of 1688
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Originally Posted by lcaillo View Post

I just don't get why anyone would butcher the chassis frame when the board can be removed so easily and turned.

I can say with experience that this is in fact very true, and this coming from a total noob DIY'er. When first looking at the board w/all those components, etc. it looks a little scary, but once I got into it, there were no problems removing the 8 screws, un-clipping the 6 connectors, etc. The D-Board comes out fairly easily and you are able to turn it on its side w/o snipping any flyback wires, etc.

So far, my fix has not worked and the TV is sitting in the living room w/the back off. I'm now getting the 3-blinks-then off. When I return home from Louisiana in a few weeks, I plan to give it another try, as I think it was my soldering that is not right. If that doesn't work, then I'm done and will search for a good CRT repair guy. I refuse to throw away this TV!
post #449 of 1688
I didn't butcher my 34HS510, but the previous owner made a sincere, unsuccessful, repair effort based on the pictorial how-to on page 4 here in this forum. I agree cutting the frame can be done without damaging the board, but it's not too bad to slide the chassis back, release hinges, unscrew chassis. Sony really secured it!

Scratch is below C8080, easier to see than in reality!


Cleaned copper trace


Patched trace, works much better now!
post #450 of 1688
IME, someone who cannot manage to get the board out correctly should not be using cutting tools anywhere near it. I know some techs that cut out parts like this, and I dissagree with the practice, but at least they know how not to damage the board.
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