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OK, so I have about 50gb of wma's, mp3's, etc...I want to get them all converted to mp3 format...tons of tags that need to be updated...and a bunch of other just organizational and standardization stuff I want to get done.

I'm sure I can get this done with stuff like windows media player, iTunes, WinAMP, etc...but if at all possible, I'd love to pay $20-$50 for a tool that can automate or work with some intelligence through some of these tasks...and turn this into a weekend project versus month long one.

Any thoughts or suggestions??
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Originally Posted by bigred727 View Post

OK, so I have about 50gb of wma's, mp3's, etc...I want to get them all converted to mp3 format...tons of tags that need to be updated...and a bunch of other just organizational and standardization stuff I want to get done.

I'm sure I can get this done with stuff like windows media player, iTunes, WinAMP, etc...but if at all possible, I'd love to pay $20-$50 for a tool that can automate or work with some intelligence through some of these tasks...and turn this into a weekend project versus month long one.

Any thoughts or suggestions??

BigRed --

This, of course, is one of those questions where you ask 10 people and get 11 different opinions! When I got into building an MP3 library several years ago, I looked at lots of different options and tried several, including all of those you mention.

That was before I found MediaMonkey (aka MM, at http://www.mediamonkey.com), which to me blows all the others away hands-down. Of course, MM has all the usual stuff like ripping (including tag lookup from CDDB), playlists, sync with portable devices, built-in player with equalizer and DSP, etc. But there's also a lot of fairly unique things that make it stand out, including:
  • MM installs and uses a real SQL database to manage your collection. That means it's very robust, can handle huge collections with ease (mine's over 30k tracks now), and is very fast when searching or sorting your catalog.
  • It has extensive features for tagging that have been able to handle everything I've ever wanted or needed to do. Select a group of tracks, and MM scans the entire Amazon database to find the matching album. Click 'Auto-Tag', and all your ID2/ID3 tags are updated automatically: Not just artist and album titles, but track artists, album notes, cover photo, year, label, genre, etc... and there's tons of flexibility during the process to be sure you have the right info. Of course, you can also manually change the tags for any track (or group of tracks) using a Properties dialog or by typing right into the spreadsheet-like display. There are even tools to swap artist and album title (I've needed this frequently) or to sequentially renumber a set of tracks (unbelievably helpful when you have a multi-CD album but prefer as I do to simply group them all together as a single entry with tracks incrementally numbered from 1 to "n".
  • You can automatically reorganize the physical disk storage of your collection. You simply define folder/file naming pattern(s), which can include any metadata info from your tags like album, artist, track number/name, genre, etc. You can also include your own text or even substrings of tags (I use "first letter of artist's name" to organize into top-level folders named 'A' to 'Z', followed by a 2nd-level folder for each artist, and finally filenames formed from the album name, track #, and track name). Then simply select a group of tracks and apply the desired pattern -- MM moves and renames all your physical files to match, and updates its own database accordingly. Couldn't be much easier!
  • MM supports just about every audio format known to man, and has built-in transcoding to/from any of those formats. I often get files in WMA format, but want them in MP3 to support my iPod. Just select them in MM, specify the desired bitrate (including VBR MP3, which I use exclusively), and hit 'convert'... done!
  • MM will synch with almost any portable device, including iPods -- and will even do it bi-directionally! So if a friend has an iPod or Zune, just plug it in and instantly copy any/all of the unprotected tracks (fully tagged, of course) right into your own library -- then retag/rename/organize as desired.
  • There is a huge and active user community with an online forum and a large number of user-created plugins available to extend functionality. MM can use almost any WinAmp plugin as well.
  • If anyone collects classical music, MM's new version 3 (now in open beta) is the only product I've yet discovered that fully supports the additional tags you need (orchestra, conductor, composer, etc.) If you've ever tried to catalog classical stuff with iTunes or WMP, you know how frustrating it is to only have basics like album name, artist, and track available!
  • Best of all -- it's free! There is a lifetime "pro" version available for some low cost ($20 or so?) that adds just a few features, but the only big one is auto-updating of the catalog by monitoring of the disk for changes. This is really nice when (as I do) you have several computers pointing at a shared music drive - if you change anything, the other computers pick up the changes. I very seldom purchase shareware, but MM is an exception. This product is so good, I'd donate even if everything was free!
MM version 2 is the current production product, and will do everything I described above and then some. For that plus a ton of other new features, MM v.3 beta is also available - you'll find the download link, change logs, known bugs, etc. by going to the MM Forums. Despite all their warnings, v.3 has been stable enough for me that I now use it exclusively - the new features like classical tagging and iTunes-like album cover browsing more than offset any small bugs that might turn up. You can even use both versions on the same PC.

You may find things a bit frustrating or complex at first, but trust me - it's like any other very powerful software: Once you get the hang of it, you'll find it very easy and logical to use. My best advice: Don't ever assume that MM can't quickly do something you want - research the online help and/or the forums, and you'll almost always find the solution. I continue to be amazed at the power and breadth of this product, especially considering it's free!

Sorry for the long post, but hopefully this info will help others as well. I have no connection at all with the product, other than being incredibly happy with it vs. everything else I've tried along the way. For a big collection, I can't see using anything else!

Rob
post #3 of 7
I'm just getting into MM myself. Still learning the in's and out's and playing with things, but I really like it so far.

A word of warning: the new Ipod Classic's will only work with the version 3.x beta they're currently running and you have to download an additional plug in found on their message boards to get it to work. Not difficult to do as long as you know you have to do it.

I had it lock up a few times when I first started using it, but it's been smooth ever since.
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A word of warning: the new Ipod Classic's will only work with the version 3.x beta they're currently running and you have to download an additional plug in found on their message boards to get it to work.

Ah, yes -- good catch! I had forgotten about that little problem, since my iPod is one of the older 60gig units. This problem hit all the 3rd party products, and was caused by Apple changing all the underpinnings - yet another attempt to limit iPod users to using only iTunes? Apparently the changes were complex enough that developers like MediaMonkey had to work pretty hard to add support for the "new and improved" Classic iPod.
Rob
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this is some awesome info, guys!!! Exactly the sort of tool I was looking for, too! I have a shuffle, one of the older (30gb) classics and the brand new 160gb classic Ipod...as well as have about three machines that I manage my music collection from, so we'll have to see how that pro version can help with keeping all of them up-to-date.

Question for you, though: Will it run on Vista?? I just checked it out and didn't see it listed as a supported OS.

/Troy
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Will it run on Vista?? I just checked it out and didn't see it listed as a supported OS.

I'm running MM v.3 beta under Vista with no problems at all. I don't think I've ever tried the production version (v.2) with Vista. Maybe a quick search on their forums will yield an answer - but if you need to support the new iPod Classic, you're going to need v.3 right now anyway.
Rob
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Originally Posted by bigred727 View Post

I have about three machines that I manage my music collection from, so we'll have to see how that pro version can help with keeping all of them up-to-date.

Troy,
There are really two approaches you can use for synchronized access from multiple PCs to the same music collection. One of them is to use the purchased (pro) version's "disk monitoring" feature, where each PC automatically detects changes to the collection and update its local library accordingly. This is what I'm doing. MediaMonkey's default is to first grab any info in stored tags to update the library; otherwise it falls back on whatever it can get from the physical filenames. This works well for me because I'm pretty religious about tagging everything, and MM extracts every bit of tag info, including cover art (just be sure to set MM's options to always store cover art within the tags!). The only downside to this is that it's not a particularly elegant solution, as separate MM databases are being created on each PC.

The other approach is to have only a single MM database (probably on the same drive as your music collection), and have each PC access that same database. Do a search in the forum and you'll learn how to do this (it's a simple edit to MM's ".ini" file to point to the remote database). I did try this but had a few problems with it: First, MM really esxpects its database to be local and accessible when it starts - so you get errors if the remote drive is offline. Second, the MM database doesn't really support multiple simultaneous users, so only one user at a time can update and there's no hard guarantee that read-only users won't have problems if they're trying to read as updates are being done. It's possible to corrupt the database if you're not careful (eg, having two PCs attempting to write to the database simultaneously). And the biggest factor for me: searches and other operations get much slower when they have to read across a network vs. accessing a fast local disk.

Note that all this refers tp the production MM version 2, which relied on the somewhat primitive MS Jet database (same thing that powers MS Access). The beta v.3 uses a completely different database - it's now a true open-source SQL RDBMS that is faster and much more powerful/flexible. So it's possible that this new engine properly supports multiple users - I'll have to look into this via the forums, because I'd really prefer the more elegant "single database" solution if those issues have been eliminsted.

Rob
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