The Consumer Reports Jury is back...Samsung 5084...not glowing - Page 12

Originally Posted by DelJ

I believe that you are off topic.

DelJ

Originally Posted by greenland

And you forgot to mention that none of the sets were professionally calibrated,

Originally Posted by greenland

even though you have complained for the past few months about the Samsung not being calibrated at that vendor shoot out, that you are still upset about. Funny how that works isn't it; When the uncalibrated results favor the Samsung, then you love them, but when they do not, well then..........Turns out that you are just as much a Samsung partisan as those Pioneer partisans that you keep rattling on and on about.

Originally Posted by doogiehowser

Samsung sucks. It is garbage and not worth owning.

I did a quick inventory of people who own plasmas. Four people I know have Panasonic and all love it, very reliable and great picture. One has a Pioneer and loves it. One has a Samsung but nobody goes to his house because he is a weirdo.

Buying a Samsung is like having sex with a fat woman. She has the right parts but who wants them?

Buying a Samsung is like confusing McDonalds with a steakhouse.

Someone should do a scientific study to find out who buys Samsung. I would bet money most are first time Plasma virgins who didn't know Samsung sucks. These people don't learn until six months later when they visit a friend who has a Panasonic and they see what quality looks like.

They were warned. Consumer Reports told them Samsung sucks. If they don't listen then they will have to live with an inferior product for many months until it breaks down.

Originally Posted by easycruise

No, he's getting ready for the sh*t about to hit the fan because Consumer Reports just rated the Samsung over the Pioneer plasma in their December issue. I call it proper planning on his part, unlike a recent AVS shootout in New York that was a joke because the Samsung plasma wasn't calibrated properly and it turned into a Pioneer marketing event instead of a unbiased test.

Originally Posted by easycruise

The CR rep in the above post has already mentioned it. Read the posts for content next time so you don't embarass yourself again.



Uh, you might not look like such an idiot if you would check the facts before shooting off your mouth. Fact is, that at the shootout, the Pioneer was properly calibrated while the Samsung was not. The calibrator was clueless on the Samsung. Turns out that you are unable to discern between a fair test and a poorly designed one. But Pioneer partisans such as you have never shown me any desire for a fair test, instead you just keep rattling on and on about how great your overrated and vastly overpriced TV is.

Originally Posted by Paul Clancy

Where these CR ratings derail is price. Because of how price is weighted it skews the numbers making a great set appear worse than a lesser set. Many of us don't pay msrp (or even close) and buy based on picture quality above price. Other reviews rate the pio first for pq and give a caveat on price/msrp....more to the point for the members here but possibly not for the cr subs.

Originally Posted by greenland

I think that all people who engage in Brand partisanship are to be pitied. Since you are a Samsung partisan, I pity you.

Originally Posted by easycruise

You insist upon embarrassing yourself! I am not a Samsung partisan. I have stated numerous times on this forum that the main TV in my house is a 61 inch Pioneer Pro Elite 118 RPTV. Non Hi-Def TV. Here's one post...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post14370143

and another..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post11419105

It still is the main TV in my house (family room) and gives me much pleasure when watching Philadelphia sports teams. Most times, you could almost swear that it is a high-def picture.

In our bedroom we have a Samsung 50 inch plasma. At our vacation house we have a 50 inch Samsung (bedroom) and a 52 in. Sony LCD in family room. I am agnostic when it comes to TV brands. I never bought Panasonic plasma when they were all the rage here at AVS because I thought they had a major tendency to suffer from clayface. Don't talk to me about great black levels (like the Panasonic had at the time) when the clayface was a real turnoff. In addition, at the time, the Pioneer plasma suffered from oversaturated colors like the electric green grass sports field that seemingly couldn't be dialed down. Because of this, as a major football and baseball fan, the Pioneer plasma was a real turn-off, and the inflated price point was the clincher. Right now, I do think that Samsung offers the best plasma by far in price performance, but I still won't give up my Pioneer RPTV that is now 12 years old.

Originally Posted by easycruise

You insist upon embarrassing yourself! I am not a Samsung partisan. I have stated numerous times on this forum that the main TV in my house is a 61 inch Pioneer Pro Elite 118 RPTV. Non Hi-Def TV.

It still is the main TV in my house (family room) and gives me much pleasure when watching Philadelphia sports teams. Most times, you could almost swear that it is a high-def picture.

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Originally Posted by DB1

I agree with JazzGuys assessment. CR infers that the Pioneer wins solely on PQ, but 'all in' the Samsung is a very user friendly product for their type of testing (no professional ISF calibration). Also remember that for the vast majority of folks ISF calibratation is not done. I happen to love CR. I tend to agree with their conclusions and use their reviews as a guide in many purchases.

*Sidebar: The only bias I have seen over the years is against American based car companies. And even that is starting to change over the past year. Just an opinion but if folks want the American economy to do well they should do their part and buy from American companies... an epiphany, huh? Quality being equal, every product you buy sourced from overseas just reinforces the decision by companies to further outsource jobs in the U.S. to low cost countries. Big shocker this comes full circle and screws those who helped it happen, you and I.*

Back on topic. For this specific review I agree with all the ratings BUT for the Pioneer not being on top. Really there is no competition for the Pioneers. That said I do agree with their Quick Pics which take price into consideration.

Originally Posted by greenland

You have gone on months long rants in support of poor picked upon Samsung. That makes you a Samsung partisan. You called me a Pioneer partisan. Go back and read my comments on that vendor shoot out thread, and see if you can start to get a clue. Anyone who is still ranting about that vendor marketing stunt, months later, as you are, has no sense of proportion. That is why I pity you, O ever vigilant Samsung defender. Get a grip on reality.

Originally Posted by easycruise

Months long rants? I've only made 290 posts in 5 years. How about you? As for reality, the reality is that the Samsung stacks up well against the Pioneer ignoring the price and when you include price, it's no contest. Pure, plain and simple, so that even YOU can understand it. Get a clue, pal. In regards to the compromised AVS shootout in New York, I mentioned it here in preparation for the Pio religious disciples for when they come on here and start trashing CR and it's testing methods.

Originally Posted by easycruise

As for reality, the reality is that the Samsung stacks up well against the Pioneer ignoring the price and when you include price, it's no contest. Pure, plain and simple,...

Originally Posted by easycruise

Months long rants? I've only made 290 posts in 5 years. How about you? As for reality, the reality is that the Samsung stacks up well against the Pioneer ignoring the price and when you include price, it's no contest. Pure, plain and simple, so that even YOU can understand it. Get a clue, pal. In regards to the compromised AVS shootout in New York, I mentioned it here in preparation for the Pio religious disciples for when they come on here and start trashing CR and it's testing methods.

Originally Posted by heron25

And in regards to American cars, not to get off topic, but as soon as American car manufacturers build a better product by using better materials, tighter tolerance specifications and increase their dealer experience and service levels, I refuse to give them my money. I buy the product, experience and service.