Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
At least you're somewhat opened minded regarding Panasonic. True technology experts wouldn't be caught dead in Sears shopping for tv's. But BestBuy and Circuit City are just as bad. Salesman that are on commission push what has the highest margin. Pioneer wins. I've always said that Pioneer Elites are very good but the cost provides more than significant diminished returns.
I like the look of the 10th generation Panasonic over my 9th generation panny and I have the nicest looking 9th generation the 600U with the black and silver look.
I was disappointed with the look of the 5085. My panny has a black level setting light or dark. That's basically what Pioneers black levels looked like. Manufactured blacks that were not authentic but overexagerated because they removed color content that was not black.
You could buy a new Panny and a blue ray and HD DVD player for the price of the 5085 with some spare change.
No matter how much garbage you spread. It won't magically make current Panasonic PQ better than Pioneer. I didn't think it was last year... this year its not even a contest. I can't wait till next year when Panasonic upgrades their image quality (Contrast wise) and the crazies who believe their previous year plasmas are as good as the new Kuro models.
After that please stop making primary color of green yellowish. Oversatuartion I'll let it slide.
What Pioneer is doing w/ black levels I hope all plasmas peeps start implementing it in all. Finally then we can talk about how 'bad' old black levels are. And how good they've gotten.
After brandname loyalties are gone, now we can talk important stuff like Black Levels, Colors, and processing. Let's see if UMR can measure a Panasonic to something close to what Pioneer is doing. F--- what me, D-nice, or you say for the moment. Look at the numbers... and then look at a calibrated picture. Then we can go back to putting on our Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung t-shirts.
Even with this logic. I'm sure some people will still claim that duck is a rat.
By the way, I own a Vizio t-shirt. I say Vizio is way better than Pioneer or Panasonic. I am just afraid people will laugh at me hence I stick with Pioneer.
Damn salesman, conned me into buying a Pio twice!
Oh and another... I'd also take Samsungs Plasmas over a current Panasonic.