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post #31 of 228
11/26/07 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by MScEE View Post

As a new owner of a HDR-SR7 I could not figure out how to post-process the AVCHD format files (other than buying the Sony Vegas $$$ software), thus decided to try Ulead Video Studio 11 Plus, but wihtout the Power Pack I found out it was going only up to 720p.
Do you need to install the Power Pack and pay extra for it, in order to get 1080i?
Thanks,

I ended up buying the Vegas Pro 8 software (you're right... $$$$$!), but I looked at the Ulead software. On their web page there is a button to press for "Free HD Powerpack." Isn't that what you're asking about? Here's the link: http://www.ulead.com/vs/

How do preview files look with Ulead? With Sony Vegas Pro 8, they're pretty choppy and hard to work with, even on pretty adequate machines. Still looking for solutions.

Larry
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post #32 of 228
11/26/07 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by NV5655 View Post

Not having the camera, I've been told that you need too set it too the highest quality setting, XP I think it was. Also, what type of monitor and connection are you viewing it on? I assume being a HTPC person, you're video card is also top notch .

Yeah, I'm a NooB. HTPC???? And you are right. I was crying about the quality when i watched it on my computer. Once i burned a DVD, it looked OK. I think i may however regret going with AVCHD, but i hope that the support will shorten the gap.
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post #33 of 228
11/27/07 at 7:25pm
Anyone know if the microphone can be turned off while recording video. I record video for my daughters basketball games, and I dont want the audio.

Sam
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post #34 of 228
11/27/07 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by LDBecker View Post

I ended up buying the Vegas Pro 8 software (you're right... $$$$$!), but I looked at the Ulead software. On their web page there is a button to press for "Free HD Powerpack." Isn't that what you're asking about? Here's the link: http://www.ulead.com/vs/

How do preview files look with Ulead? With Sony Vegas Pro 8, they're pretty choppy and hard to work with, even on pretty adequate machines. Still looking for solutions.

Larry

Thanks Larry. It works now!
One more question the video clips size (originating from a HDR-SR7 in HD XP mode) are displayed as 1440 x 1080. Shouldn't this be 1980 x 1080?
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post #35 of 228
11/27/07 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by MScEE View Post

Thanks Larry. It works now!
One more question the video clips size (originating from a HDR-SR7 in HD XP mode) are displayed as 1440 x 1080. Shouldn't this be 1980 x 1080?

This was confusing to me as well... The CNET article referenced on the Sony style page for this camcorder says, "... the SR7 uses Sony's 1/2.9-inch, 3.2-megapixel ClearVid CMOS sensor, recording video at 2.3-megapixel (HD) or 1.7-megapixel (SD) resolution before downsampling and encoding to 1080i HD (1,440x1,080) or SD (720x480), respectively."

Note that the sticker on the camera says "Full HD 1080" and doesn't specify 1080i or 1080p (which would be 1920x1080 progressive). Are we confused yet? I sure am...

Perversely, I am kind of glad the camcorder doesn't put out 1080p files... my pc can't even handle editing the 1440x1080 files without stuttering!

How is the editing on the ULEAD software? does it stutter?

Larry
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post #36 of 228
11/28/07 at 11:17am
LDBecker - what are the specs on the struggling pc? im worried about mine, getting the camera today.
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post #37 of 228
11/28/07 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by sievers View Post

definitely a scam, for the love of god don't give those guys your credit card #!

Here's a quick summary: that canon hv20 is widely regarded to have the best pq available in an hd cam. So if you must have the best pq, you must buy that cam. If you can sacrifice a small amount of pq for the convenience of a hard drive based cam, then yeah sr7 is probably the best one.

Not because I have one or anything!

AVCHD may be a hassle if you plan to do lots of editing, that's the main strike against all AVCHD cams.

Now, let me ask you this. There is at least one Cannon Hard drive model. HG10, I think it is. How does that compare with the HV20 in picture? The Cannon models win for USB connector, but fail for no touch screen and no wireless mic...

edit - So the Sony Sr7 does not transfer Full 1080P too video too the computer and it's all down sized? I pay that much, I better get the best picture quality, even if it blows up my PC .

I have an EVGA Board,
2.4GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo chip,
2GB GSkill Memory
Geoforce 7 7950 PCI E X16 card


I hope it doesn't slow it down too much....less I need too upgrade too a quad core PC.
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post #38 of 228
11/28/07 at 11:46am
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LDBecker - what are the specs on the struggling pc? im worried about mine, getting the camera today.

Briz,
Just to be clear... my pc's handle the camcorder and files just fine... even the player software that came with the camcorder, Picture Motion Browser (an oddly named piece of software), plays just fine. It's in the editing of the files that I have grief. I think it's because the AVCHD files are compressed and have to be uncompressed to view in the editing software that I have difficulty. ANY HD camcorder is going to have grief here as well. But playing is just fine.

My desk pc is a Pentium 4, 3.4ghz with 2 gb ram and a Raid 0 drive array for the main drives and an external eSATA 750gb drive for the video files. My laptop is an HP 9260 with a Core 2 Duo 7200 processor, 240 gb drive and 2 gb of ram. The preview in the editing software stutters in both of them.

Sony Vegas Pro 8 tech support suggests moving the files to an intermediate file type to edit it. And there is a program called Gearshift from VAAST that creates a "proxy" file that you perform the edits on and then it substitutes the real data in when you put the file together. I'm probably going to go in that direction.

On the Vegas 8 forums, it seems that many are experiencing the stuttering on preview. Welcome to the wonderful world of High Def...

Hope this helps...

Larry
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post #39 of 228
11/28/07 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by NV5655 View Post

Now, let me ask you this. There is at least one Cannon Hard drive model. HG10, I think it is. How does that compare with the HV20 in picture? The Cannon models win for USB connector, but fail for no touch screen and no wireless mic...

edit - So the Sony Sr7 does not transfer Full 1080P too video too the computer and it's all down sized? I pay that much, I better get the best picture quality, even if it blows up my PC .

I have an EVGA Board,
2.4GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo chip,
2GB GSkill Memory
Geoforce 7 7950 PCI E X16 card


I hope it doesn't slow it down too much....less I need too upgrade too a quad core PC.

I don't know of ANY prosumer camcorder that does 1080p. I looked for a while at the JVC Everio-G GZ-HD7US, which I believe quotes 1920 x 1080 but is still 1080i, but there were so many people complaining about the image stabilization problems with it (weak to none!) and trying to deal with a pretty much proprietary file format that I went with the Sony for about the same money. The JVC looks pretty cool, though. It is a bit bigger/heavier as well.
Hope this helps

Larry
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post #40 of 228
11/28/07 at 1:21pm
Whoops, my bad. Should have explained that better.

I saw earlier that you mentioned a lower screen size when it transferred. I know there is no real difference between 1080p and i, but when I read the earlier post, I thought it didn't even transfer it to the PC in even 1080i..
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post #41 of 228
11/28/07 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by LDBecker View Post

This was confusing to me as well... The CNET article referenced on the Sony style page for this camcorder says, "... the SR7 uses Sony's 1/2.9-inch, 3.2-megapixel ClearVid CMOS sensor, recording video at 2.3-megapixel (HD) or 1.7-megapixel (SD) resolution before downsampling and encoding to 1080i HD (1,440x1,080) or SD (720x480), respectively."

Note that the sticker on the camera says "Full HD 1080" and doesn't specify 1080i or 1080p (which would be 1920x1080 progressive). Are we confused yet? I sure am...

Perversely, I am kind of glad the camcorder doesn't put out 1080p files... my pc can't even handle editing the 1440x1080 files without stuttering!

How is the editing on the ULEAD software? does it stutter?

Larry

Larry,
The HDR-SR7 camera specs clearly states a resolution of 1080i.
Actually I don't think there are too many consumers' camcorders -if any- to output 1080p.
I'm unsure how 1080i should have read as video clip format, as I was expecting 1080/2= 530 instead of 1440 but it may be that's how it is.

As for the ULEAD software is stuttering like crazy!

I totally agree with the following remark form the CNET review:
"In Sony's case, it really should drop the feeble Picture Motion Browser software bundle and include the more functional Vegas Video Movie Studio Platinum Edition, at least for the folks who drop over $1,000 on the HD Handycams"

Honestly we should complain to Sony and see what can be done (maybe you can get even your money back -or portion of it- on the Sony Vegas software).
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post #42 of 228
11/28/07 at 8:08pm
I'm confused on one thing, I have been comparing the Sony HDR-SR5 and HDR-SR7.

Whats the difference between
SR5=Pixel Gross :2100K
SR5=Video Actual :1430K Pixles (16:9), 1080K Pixels (4:3)
SR5=Still Actual :1490K Pixels (16:9), 1990K Pixels (4:3)

SR7=Pixel Gross :3200K
SR7=Video Actual :2280K Pixels (16:9), 1710K Pixels (4:3)
SR7=Still Actual :2280K Pixels (16:9), 3040K Pixels (4:3)

If they both put video out in 1080i what does it matter if the SR7 higher pixels?
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post #43 of 228
11/29/07 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by LDBecker View Post

Briz,
Just to be clear... my pc's handle the camcorder and files just fine... even the player software that came with the camcorder, Picture Motion Brower (an oddly named piece of software), plays just fine. It's in the editing of the files that I have grief. I think it's because the AVCHD files are compressed and have to be uncompressed to view in the editing software that I have difficulty. ANY HD camcorder is going to have grief here as well. But playing is just fine.

My desk pc is a Pentium 4, 3.4ghz with 2 gb ram and a Raid 0 drive array for the main drives and an external eSATA 750gb drive for the video files. My laptop is an HP 9260 with a Core 2 Duo 7200 processor, 240 gb drive and 2 gb of ram. The preview in the editing software stutters in both of them.

Sony Vegas Pro 8 tech support suggests moving the files to an intermediate file type to edit it. And there is a program called Gearshift from VAAST that creates a "proxy" file that you perform the edits on and then it substitutes the real data in when you put the file together. I'm probably going to go in that direction.

On the Vegas 8 forums, it seems that many are experiencing the stuttering on preview. Welcome to the wonderful world of High Def...

Hope this helps...

Larry

Thats some heavy hardware ... I have not purchased Vegas ... yet, so I cant comment on the stuttering but I fully expected to have issues with trying to edit the AVCHD. So, Vegas actually does some decompression of the AVCHD for editing/viewing and the output is what for high def? I am coming from the .avi/edit to render/mpeg2 side of things.
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post #44 of 228
11/29/07 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by Nimrod_R View Post

I'm confused on one thing, I have been comparing the Sony HDR-SR5 and HDR-SR7.

Whats the difference between
SR5=Pixel Gross :2100K
SR5=Video Actual :1430K Pixles (16:9), 1080K Pixels (4:3)
SR5=Still Actual :1490K Pixels (16:9), 1990K Pixels (4:3)

SR7=Pixel Gross :3200K
SR7=Video Actual :2280K Pixels (16:9), 1710K Pixels (4:3)
SR7=Still Actual :2280K Pixels (16:9), 3040K Pixels (4:3)

If they both put video out in 1080i what does it matter if the SR7 higher pixels?

There are 2 main differences aother than the hard drive size:
1. SR7 has Super SteadyShot Optical Image Stabilization, which is very important when shooting from hand. SR5 has none.
2. SR7 has 1/2.9 ClearVid CMOS Sensor vs. SR5 1/3" ClearVid CMOS Sensor (less resolution in the second case as per your own posting).
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post #45 of 228
11/29/07 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by briz View Post

Thats some heavy hardware ... I have not purchased Vegas ... yet, so I cant comment on the stuttering but I fully expected to have issues with trying to edit the AVCHD. So, Vegas actually does some decompression of the AVCHD for editing/viewing and the output is what for high def? I am coming from the .avi/edit to render/mpeg2 side of things.

briz,
Here's a link to a thread I started on the Sony Creative Software forum. It's a pretty helpful place for Vegas users. http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageID=559326
Some of the posters indicate that there is quite a lot going on for AVCHD to work on a pc. I guess so... Since I was having difficulty with my video card in other areas, I needed to replace it and was hoping that it could help with some of the rendering issues. No difference at all...

One poster on the Sony forum suggested that I render the footage to HD-MPEG2 format and it may help. I'm a little tied up at work lately so haven't had much time to work with it. Wouldn't you lose something going from one format to another?

Larry Becker
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post #46 of 228
11/29/07 at 1:12pm
I have had my SR7 for some time now and I have been enjoying it very much. I havent heard anyone mention this but I use Nero to play the files from the video camera on my PC and it looks great. I connect the camera to my PS3 to view the video on my tv as well as copy files over to the PS3. I havent purchased the mini-HDMI cable but I am curious how the PQ would look from the camcorder to the TV. I have one of those Samsung LED TVs.

I use pinnacle to edit videos but really havent created any large projects. I usually output to a low res avi file to I can send small video clips of my son. I did recently upgrade my PC so that it could handle the video editing and the response is great. My old P4 3.2Ghz with 1GB of RAM just couldnt handle it.

All in all a great camcorder and I am very happy to see an Owners thread.
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post #47 of 228
11/29/07 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Numero1latino View Post

I have had my SR7 for some time now and I have been enjoying it very much. I havent heard anyone mention this but I use Nero to play the files from the video camera on my PC and it looks great. I connect the camera to my PS3 to view the video on my tv as well as copy files over to the PS3. I havent purchased the mini-HDMI cable but I am curious how the PQ would look from the camcorder to the TV. I have one of those Samsung LED TVs.

I use pinnacle to edit videos but really havent created any large projects. I usually output to a low res avi file to I can send small video clips of my son. I did recently upgrade my PC so that it could handle the video editing and the response is great. My old P4 3.2Ghz with 1GB of RAM just couldnt handle it.

All in all a great camcorder and I am very happy to see an Owners thread.

Numero1latino,
Good to hear from an SR7 user that's had it for a while. Some of us are pretty new, and many are still thinking about it.

What's the resolution on your Samsung? Is it 1080p? If so, it should look pretty good. Sony sells the mini-HDMI cable, but they're also available for under $10 from Monoprice.com (one of the sponsors of this site). I have a couple of those and they work just fine on my 37" 1080p LCD and 34" Sony Tube XBR 960 (1080i).

You say you use Pinnacle to edit -- is the preview choppy for you there? What are the specs of your new pc?

Larry
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post #48 of 228
11/29/07 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by LDBecker View Post

Numero1latino,
Good to hear from an SR7 user that's had it for a while. Some of us are pretty new, and many are still thinking about it.

What's the resolution on your Samsung? Is it 1080p? If so, it should look pretty good. Sony sells the mini-HDMI cable, but they're also available for under $10 from Monoprice.com (one of the sponsors of this site). I have a couple of those and they work just fine on my 37" 1080p LCD and 34" Sony Tube XBR 960 (1080i).

You say you use Pinnacle to edit -- is the preview choppy for you there? What are the specs of your new pc?

Larry

Larry,
My sammy is 1080p and it looks very good. I have actually been looking at monoprice to get the HDMI but I think when I first looked at it was out of stock and I havent been back to get it.

No choppy preview in Pinnacle. I use Studio plus with the latest patches. I have tried vegas video but I thought it was much more complicated than pinnacle, probably cause I have used pinnacle before. I might give it a shot later. I have ulead also but I havent had a chance to install it.

The specs on my new box are
Abit IP35 Pro Mobo
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0Ghz
4GB Gskill DDR2800 RAM
2x 500 GB Hard Drives
Nvidia 8800GTS

I was going to go for the quad core but since i do much more gaming that anything else I read that the dual core was a bit better. I havent had a chance to overclock it yet but I figure I can get some more speed out of it.

Has anyone converted AVCHD to Divix HD?
Also is it possible to edit video and have it output back to AVCHD? I havent had any luck find this out.

Let me know if there is anything that I can help with.
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post #49 of 228
11/29/07 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by MScEE View Post

There are 2 main differences aother than the hard drive size:
1. SR7 has Super SteadyShot Optical Image Stabilization, which is very important when shooting from hand. SR5 has none.
2. SR7 has 1/2.9 ClearVid CMOS Sensor vs. SR5 1/3" ClearVid CMOS Sensor (less resolution in the second case as per your own posting).


But my main question is what does it matter if you have extra resolution on one of the cams if they both put out in 1080i? If they both put out 1080i the picture is gonna look the same right?
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post #50 of 228
11/30/07 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by Nimrod_R View Post

But my main question is what does it matter if you have extra resolution on one of the cams if they both put out in 1080i? If they both put out 1080i the picture is gonna look the same right?

The answer is: Negative.
The video format cannot follow up with the sensor's resolution.
As an example the video output file of these 2 camcorders is actually different in size although it's displayed as 1080i.

For comparison:
A. Let's say you compare this scenario for a photo taken by 2 digital cameras one with 2MP and one with 10MP.
You are going to print this on the same size 4x6 photo paper (and probably notice the differences).
Relating this to Video: the 1080i signal is comparable to the 4x6 photo paper.
They can both hold more or less resolution in the same format.

B. Let's say you compare 2 1080i sources:
1. A real good 1080i HD TV signal feed.
2. A 1080i output from an upconverting DVD player (using interpolation).
Even if both signals are considered to be 1080i, which one will produce more detail on the screen? (hint: "1")

BTW: HDR-SR7 has also one more thing, towards HDR-SR75: Manual Focus Dial (in case you need it).
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post #51 of 228
11/30/07 at 9:48am
I'm still leaning towards Sony SR7, if only because my accessories will work with it. But the steep learning curve in learning new software is what's holding me back currently, plus my Current SR200 has great video resolution for an SD camera.

For anyone coming off Adobe premiere Elements 4, how quick of a learning curve was it? Can you do everything you could do in APE 4.0?
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post #52 of 228
11/30/07 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by NV5655 View Post

I'm still leaning towards Sony SR7, if only because my accessories will work with it. But the steep learning curve in learning new software is what's holding me back currently, plus my Current SR200 has great video resolution for an SD camera.

For anyone coming off Adobe premiere Elements 4, how quick of a learning curve was it? Can you do everything you could do in APE 4.0?

Learning Curves depends on the person, but for myself I have been using Adobe Product for over 10 years now.

And I love Premiere, just because of the compatibility with my other adobe apps. BUT!

Adobe Premiere does not Support AVCHD!

But I wouldn't worry, some day they will.

You have a lot of helpful people here so don't worry about editing.

Go for the SR7, you won't regret it.

What Computer do you Run?

Good Luck!
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post #53 of 228
12/6/07 at 2:10pm
Hi folks,
I bought a Sony HDR-SR7 camcorder a week back via Amazon.com. I'd like some of your inputs on the accessories that I might need.
1. Carrying case/bag - While I looked for options from SonyStyle, I am beginning to think that almost all of them would look bulky for the SR7. So, I thought I should ask the geeks.
2. Battery - Though I received a battery (I think it was 'Sony NPFH50 H Series'), I was quite surprised that the battery doesnt last a long time (upto 2 hrs?). I'd like to know batteries that might last v. long so I dont have to worry about whether the charge would be available or not all the time...
3. Joystick - Is there a way I can use joystick or something instead of my finger on the touchscreen? If yes, I'd like to know so that I can go ahead and purchase it.
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post #54 of 228
12/9/07 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by MrReddy View Post

Hi folks,
I bought a Sony HDR-SR7 camcorder a week back via Amazon.com. I'd like some of your inputs on the accessories that I might need.
1. Carrying case/bag - While I looked for options from SonyStyle, I am beginning to think that almost all of them would look bulky for the SR7. So, I thought I should ask the geeks.
2. Battery - Though I received a battery (I think it was 'Sony NPFH50 H Series'), I was quite surprised that the battery doesnt last a long time (upto 2 hrs?). I'd like to know batteries that might last v. long so I dont have to worry about whether the charge would be available or not all the time...
3. Joystick - Is there a way I can use joystick or something instead of my finger on the touchscreen? If yes, I'd like to know so that I can go ahead and purchase it.

Why I otta -- sorry, went into 3 Stooges mode...
1) Case... I just took an old Lowepro Nova 1 AW case I had lying around and am using it -- it's about the right size for me. It depends on how much stuff you want to carry with it. Wide angle or tele lens? Video light? Dock? Extra Batteries? Sandwich? Get as small a one as you think will work. You're not stuck with just Sony...
2) I added a NP-FH70 to go with the 50 that came with the camera. If you're shooting something really long... get the 100 or figure out how to run off of ac. The Battery charger I got, the Sony AC-VQH10 AC Adaptor/Charger, has an option to run the camcorder off of ac.
3) Joystick -- no joy here... I'd seen some camcorders that use a joystick-type of control, so I know what you mean. I'm getting used to the touchscreen. It seems to work ok - except there are lots of menus to go through.

Hope this helps,

Larry (not too much of a geek)
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post #55 of 228
12/10/07 at 9:31am
Are any of you using your SR7's to record SD? If yes how is the quality and are there any troubles editing the mpeg2 files it produces?
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post #56 of 228
12/10/07 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by kraigk View Post

Are any of you using your SR7's to record SD? If yes how is the quality and are there any troubles editing the mpeg2 files it produces?

Good question. I so wish that it could record simultanious SD and HD. In best case scenario, I would have to bring both cameras with me to events...one for archives one for easy editing


BTW, are there any HD monitr calibrating programs out there? I downloaded some HD shots from the SR7, but it looks to bright and washed out on my monitor. Clear, but not SHARP and eye popping.
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post #57 of 228
12/10/07 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by kraigk View Post

Are any of you using your SR7's to record SD? If yes how is the quality and are there any troubles editing the mpeg2 files it produces?

kraigk,

I shoot only in AVCHD because I want to have the footage archived in best quality, but when I was trying to sort out why the preview screens were so choppy in Sony Vegas Pro 8 and Pinnacle Ultimate 11, someone suggested that I do some test shooting in SD and try editing it. In both programs it worked just fine -- and VERY quick compared with editing in AVCHD.

As far as quality, I could tell that it wasn't HD but I was really pleased at how good it looked on my pc and 37" 1080p lcd.

Larry
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post #58 of 228
12/10/07 at 10:30am
LDBecker - Thanks much for the response. Can you turn the audio off when recording? What sound adjustments are there? I've been looking thru the manuals and haven't found any clear answers.
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post #59 of 228
12/10/07 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by kraigk View Post

LDBecker - Thanks much for the response. Can you turn the audio off when recording? What sound adjustments are there? I've been looking thru the manuals and haven't found any clear answers.

kraigk,

You're welcome... Someone else asked about turning it off before and I can't find a way to do it. All I can find is a "Micref level" setting that has Normal and Low as the options.

I've been thinking of buying the Sony ECM-HW1 Wireless Microphone -- the bluetooth microphone. I SUSPECT that if it is on the camera and the mic is turned off (either on the camera unit or the remote unit) that the audio track will be silent. Not sure yet. Another option might be the Sony ECM-HGZ1 Shotgun Microphone. From the pic on the Sony style site I can't tell if it has switches or not.

Even if neither of these works, in editing software the audio track can be whacked pretty easily...

Hope this helps,

Larry
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post #60 of 228
12/10/07 at 11:09am
Larry,

Thanks yet again. I'll start my shopping for an SR7 or SR8. I think your right about using an external mic, that usually turns the built-in off.
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