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post #241 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Palladin View Post

Okay, you know a show is inherently in trouble when the only thing being discussed is about trying to look up some chick's dress using screen caps.

I mean I can appreciate the cheap thrill, intentional or unintentional, by the new young hot thing in the office who's looking to tease a little ****, but a chick on a big 4 network show whose outfits are specially tailored to look erotic, but ultimately reveal practically nothing? C'mon now. Wouldn't the time be better spent working as a security guard who monitors women's dressing rooms?

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Palladin

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OK, Let's talk about the show. What was the scene at the end? Two murdered people in a home. Some guy that most likely killed them & watching what looked like Eco's past/real life home videos.

Who is he? What does he want? Is he looking for her? Were the dead people her parents? Seems like "maybe" she's on the run from someone?
post #242 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Couch Patato View Post

OK, Let's talk about the show. What was the scene at the end? Two murdered people in a home. Some guy that most likely killed them & watching what looked like Eco's past/real life home videos.

Who is he? What does he want? Is he looking for her? Were the dead people her parents? Seems like "maybe" she's on the run from someone?

Yeah, I wondered about that scene, I felt like I had missed something, but I don't guess I did. Wonder if these endings will lead into the new episodes or they will be out their dangling, like LOST. I hope this show gets in gear.

The one thing that concerns me a tiny bit, is that it was Dushku's idea for the show and not actually one that Whedon came up with, he seems to be all on board with it, so hopefully it will fly, but I still have to wonder how well he can run with someone elses idea for a show.
post #243 of 2557
I assumed the scary dude at the end is "Alpha."

That would make him the first Active, most likely. Actives are named with phonetic alphabet designations.
post #244 of 2557
We could call him "Triple S" - as in "Scary Stalker Slayer"...
post #245 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Palladin View Post

Well, no one is ever going to accuse her of being top heavy.

Personally, I still give a major edge to Grace Park's Maxim spread which I posted at the forum a couple of years back as part of the Ms. Battlestar Galactica Beauty Pageant. Zowee!

Eliza is frakkin' Jennifer Love Hewitt compared to Ms. Park, however. Not that I pay attention to such trifles.
post #246 of 2557
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

I assumed the scary dude at the end is "Alpha."

That would make him the first Active, most likely. Actives are named with phonetic alphabet designations.

Yeah, I think that's right. I'm sensing something akin, perhaps, to the Katee Sackoff character in the late non-lamented 'Bionic Woman': a former operative gone rogue that our heroine is going to have to go up against.
post #247 of 2557
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Originally Posted by GrouchoDude View Post

Yeah, I think that's right. I'm sensing something akin, perhaps, to the Katee Sackoff character in the late non-lamented 'Bionic Woman': a former operative gone rogue that our heroine is going to have to go up against.

Every show like this, needs the big bad(s). Good against evil, looking forward to tonight's show.
post #248 of 2557
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Originally Posted by GrouchoDude View Post

Eliza is frakkin' Jennifer Love Hewitt compared to Ms. Park

Are you trying to say that Eliza is more attractive than Grace Park or less attractive?
post #249 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Amnesia View Post

Are you trying to say that Eliza is more attractive than Grace Park or less attractive?

Well, it depends on which particular body part(s) you're talking about.
post #250 of 2557
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

Every show like this, needs the big bad(s). Good against evil, looking forward to tonight's show.

The problem is, it's always someone rogue. I don't mind a bad guy, but how about something different once in a while.

However, I'll take Random Rogue Dude over that FBI guy plotline any day. Seriously, how long can he disobey his superiors without getting canned? They told him to lay off, but the clever boxing match B-Roll tells us he won't.

I suppose next we'll have to have some FBI conspiracy involvement with the Dollhouse.

"The 'I' in 'FBI' stands for 'involvement'!"
post #251 of 2557
Huh? If this was supposed to be the pilot ep, no wonder it was reshot. Cause it's either very disjointed or I'm very tired....possibly both.
post #252 of 2557
It was a bit disjointed for sure, but I ended up liking tonight's ep better than last week's. I definitely like Echo when she goes bad a$$, the twitty persona just doesn't seem to fit, but when she gets in the kick a$$ mode, I enjoy it a lot better. How about the Middleman(Matt Keeslar), he wasn't drinking milk tonight
post #253 of 2557
I also thought this was a stronger episode. I'm looking forward to seeing where Joss takes this...
post #254 of 2557
I actually liked how it started out, but later seemed to have lost its way. Not bailing....yet. And nice to see another BSG face.
post #255 of 2557
Loved the beginning with the big adrenaline rush during the aftermath of Alpha's rampage through the Dollhouse. Very shocking. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the typical M.O. of the show - have a big flashy set-piece in the prologue to get the audience's heart rate up, then cut to intro.

How 'bout that Amy Acker? She's really defining a great character there. So beaten down psychologically that she can seem to throw off this terrifying, disfiguring experience and get right back to work. Is this the end result of imprinting? The eventual subjugation of their basic personality into nothing more than a tool of the Dollhouse?

Dominic is a complete sadist, misogynist, and generally extremely unlikable guy. It's almost like he needed a Snydley Whiplash mustache to twirl when he was sneering at poor vacant Echo during that one scene. They must have a serious need for serious security to tolerate an a$$hole like him. That's okay; you need people to hate as well as like. But the casting choice I'm not down with is Harry Lennox as Langdon. I keep thinking how much I'd rather see somebody with the chops of Richard T. Jones (Ellison on T:SCC) handle a character with this much conflict and nuance. I just don't think Lennox is bringing it, as the vapid judges on The Big Karaoke Show might earnestly proclaim.

I'm not sold on Eliza not being able to really sell this part like, say, a Jennifer Gardner. She's a gamer, and she'll get better. This series is an acting master class for her. If she's a good student and works hard, she may well get much better. And gods, that woman is hot.

As for the rest of the show's "getting hunted" subplot, meh. We've seen all that before. But it was at least done with style, especially the final faceoff. Yeah, I'd prefer a gun over a bow & arrow as well if I ever found myself in that predicament. And if I'm a hired assassin, I'm getting the job done as efficiently as possible. But it was a cool scene, nonetheless. I like a villain that knows he needs to end his miserable life with a nonchalant quip.
post #256 of 2557
I thought this show was suppose to be in HD, it certainly wasn't for me last night.
post #257 of 2557
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I thought this show was suppose to be in HD, it certainly wasn't for me last night.

Seriously? Either a local problem or something with your set or STB. It was HD.
post #258 of 2557
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

The problem is, it's always someone rogue. I don't mind a bad guy, but how about something different once in a while.

However, I'll take Random Rogue Dude over that FBI guy plotline any day. Seriously, how long can he disobey his superiors without getting canned? They told him to lay off, but the clever boxing match B-Roll tells us he won't.

I suppose next we'll have to have some FBI conspiracy involvement with the Dollhouse.

"The 'I' in 'FBI' stands for 'involvement'!"

Yep, the FBI guy annoys me a lot. And I think it sad we now all accept it as natural in this country when a government agent holds a gun to an involuntary informer's head to get his questions answered.

But I'm still liking the show better.

- Tom
post #259 of 2557
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

I thought this show was suppose to be in HD, it certainly wasn't for me last night.

It was in HD for me mostly. But I was confused as they appeared to be window boxing flashbacks.
(they were, right?)

- Tom
post #260 of 2557
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Originally Posted by trbarry View Post

I was confused as they appeared to be window boxing flashbacks.
(they were, right?)

Not for me.
post #261 of 2557
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Originally Posted by trbarry View Post

It was in HD for me mostly. But I was confused as they appeared to be window boxing flashbacks.
(they were, right?)

- Tom

I don't remember seeing that either, do you remember one in particular? I've got it recorded, I'll check.
post #262 of 2557
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Originally Posted by GrouchoDude View Post

Seriously? Either a local problem or something with your set or STB. It was HD.

Yeah I tried watching it last week HD was fine but the show was meh. Last night it wasn't in HD, it was a box right in the middle of the TV, bars on the top and bottom. I checked the SD channel it was exactly the same. I had a feeling it might of been something wrong for either me or this area.
post #263 of 2557
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

Yeah I tried watching it last week HD was fine but the show was meh. Last night it wasn't in HD, it was a box right in the middle of the TV, bars on the top and bottom. I checked the SD channel it was exactly the same. I had a feeling it might of been something wrong for either me or this area.

Same here, windowboxed. I suspect a screw-up with Fox Los Angeles broadcast.
post #264 of 2557
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Originally Posted by srnile View Post

Same here, windowboxed. I suspect a screw-up with Fox Los Angeles broadcast.


+1
Sarah Connor chronicles was also windowboxed!

You'd think the engineers would have a monitor showing them what's being output?
post #265 of 2557
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Originally Posted by GrouchoDude View Post

I'm not sold on Eliza not being able to really sell this part like, say, a Jennifer Gardner. She's a gamer, and she'll get better. This series is an acting master class for her. If she's a good student and works hard, she may well get much better. And gods, that woman is hot.

As for the rest of the show's "getting hunted" subplot, meh. We've seen all that before.

Yes, she's not exactly the greatest actor around. I never thought she was, so I really wasn't expecting much there.

I think the show is "meh" in general - other than Eliza Pushcooze's hotness like you say, it hasn't really grabbed me so far.
post #266 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Yes, she's not exactly the greatest actor around. I never thought she was, so I really wasn't expecting much there.

I think the show is "meh" in general - other than Eliza Pushcooze's hotness like you say, it hasn't really grabbed me so far.

I have only really seen her in a few other roles, that "True something" that got canceled, and a cheerleader movie, and now this, and in my opinion, she's not a very good actress, at all. Summer Glau(Cameron-TSCC) has it all over Dushku in the acting department.

Acker, although we've only seen her briefly, is the one with the "mad skills" in the acting department, hopefully she'll get some more screen time in coming episodes. The boss lady reminds me of Manson's character in TSCC, the male roles are all pretty much forgettable, the computer geek has some personality, but it's basically bits and pieces of roles we've seen before.

Hopefully it will get better, other than BSG, there's not much else on Fridays anyway.
post #267 of 2557
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

+1
Sarah Connor chronicles was also windowboxed!

You'd think the engineers would have a monitor showing them what's being output?

+2

Yep. Both SCC and Dollhouse were boxed. Fox 11 for the loss.
post #268 of 2557
Okay, I'm a sucker for this *kind* of show (Sarah Connor Chronicles/BSG), but I can't figure out who in Dollhouse we're expected to root for.

I can see pitying the dolls and I'm sure we're supposed to focus on Echo, but are the writers expecting us to *like* the organization that is "Dollhouse"? They're not out for anything other than profit as far as I can tell.

I can imagine rooting for the FBI guy to succeed, but surely that can't be the only reason to watch.

Are we expected to be satisfied with pretty people, vaguely scandalous behaviors and HD? Not that I object to those per se, but without even a mildly compelling story, how can the writers expect to retain viewers?

What am I missing here?
post #269 of 2557
Got around to watching the second "Pilot" episode and have to say it was MUCH better that the pilot that ran last week. It made more sense and flowed better. Odds are it was recut too since it referenced last weeks plot lines.

One thing that puzzles me. The guy that attacked the group in the van was discovered dead. They seem to extract memories and such from dead people to reuse as needed. Why not extract his info and discover who was behind the attack? Also it would seem possible that an entire identity could be transfered from what we've seen, why no mention of that?
post #270 of 2557
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Originally Posted by JimProuty View Post

Okay, I'm a sucker for this *kind* of show (Sarah Connor Chronicles/BSG), but I can't figure out who in Dollhouse we're expected to root for.

I can see pitying the dolls and I'm sure we're supposed to focus on Echo, but are the writers expecting us to *like* the organization that is "Dollhouse"? They're not out for anything other than profit as far as I can tell.

I can imagine rooting for the FBI guy to succeed, but surely that can't be the only reason to watch.

Are we expected to be satisfied with pretty people, vaguely scandalous behaviors and HD? Not that I object to those per se, but without even a mildly compelling story, how can the writers expect to retain viewers?

What am I missing here?

We are supposed to root for Echo, her handler, and the FBI agent. The Dollhouse organization is "Wolfram and Hart" and the FBI as usual are clueless bureaucrats.
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