Official PS3 FAQ Master Thread - Page 57

Correct. You would have to navigate to MUSIC and then on to finding the USB DEVICE, etc.

You can purchase a cable that gives component video out (accessory from either Sony or Monster Cable), but you are limited to 1080i via component and only 480p for DVD playback. A couple of additional questions for you:

1. Have you set the BD playback to 1080p/24 (either set to Auto or set to On to force a 24 Hz output)? When playing a BD you may be able to check via your Pio display's menu what the actual input signal format is.

2. Have you set the HDMI output format for BD playback to Auto (PS3 default) or to RGB or to YPbPr?

I seems to me that either you have an HDMI cable issue (I still believe this is the most likely case) or as you change between BD playback and the XMB menu mode either a change in the video frame rate (e.g., 24Hz vs. 60Hz) or video format (YPbPr for BD and RGB for XMB) is causing you to lose the video. Since you Pio HDTV works when directly connected to the PS3, this does not appear to be issue with the PS3 or the HDTV. Rather it appears to be an issue either with the HDMI cable or the AVR. I suspect your PS3 is outputting at 1080p/24 for BD playback and switching to 1080p/60 for the XMB. If that is the case the data rate over the HDMI cable will be increasing as you exit BD playback and if your HDMI cable can't handle the higher data rate then you would lose the video.

sorry if this is repetitive -
but it looks like the PS3 is sending a Dolby True HD or DTS Master Audio signal out over the Linear PCM "pipe", vs. decoding it in the player and then sending out a "non-DTS" signal over the "pipe"? (the underlying issue is a limitation of the hdmi chipset that Sony is using in the PS3)

I've seen a lot of discussion about where the decoding is happening - and don't understand the logic of the receiver needing to support Dolby True HD if the player is doing the decoding.

Can someone help clarify my lack of understanding?

http://playstation.custhelp.com/cgi-...hp?p_faqid=788
You will be able to choose between [Bitstream] or [Linear PCM]. Contact the manufacturer of your display or AV amplifier (receiver) to determine what your display or AV amplifier (receiver) supports.

For Blu-ray discs that can output in Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio you must select Linear PCM as the Audio Output. Please note that your AV amplifier (receiver) must support Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio.

The receiver doesn't need to decode. The decoding is being done by the PS3.
The receiver just needs to accept PCM thru the HDMI, not just video pass-thru.

"Please note that your AV amplifier (receiver) must support Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio."

This statement in the Sony FAQ is incorrect. The PS3 outputs multichannel LPCM. The receiver must support multichannel LPCM, but does not need DTS-MA or Dolby TrueHD decoding.

In reality, any receiver with such decoding will also support MCH LPCM. However, the reverse is not necessarily true: there are entry-level receivers, quite inexpensive, that DO support the MCH LPCM audio of the PS3 and other players, although they do not decode the lossless brand-name codecs.

I converted my TS file to M2TS and was able to play on my ps3. However, the original TS file was 1080i and DD 5.1, but I only get PCM 2.0 for audio.

Did you guys get 5.1 instead of 2.0?

For DD5.1 you don't have to convert to PCM because Dolby Digital is fully supported by the PS3 in the m2ts files.

You have to convert DTS, DTS HD HR, DTS HD MA, DD+, & TRUEHD to PCM to be able to hear them using M2TS files on the PS3 (I have never tried DD+ yet).

[quote=Ron Jones;15775624I [B]seems to me that either you have an HDMI cable issue (I still believe this is the most likely case) or as you change between BD playback and the XMB menu mode either a change in the video frame rate (e.g., 24Hz vs. 60Hz) or video format (YPbPr for BD and RGB for XMB) is causing you to lose the video. Since you Pio HDTV works when directly connected to the PS3, this does not appear to be issue with the PS3 or the HDTV. Rather it appears to be an issue either with the HDMI cable or the AVR. I suspect your PS3 is outputting at 1080p/24 for BD playback and switching to 1080p/60 for the XMB. If that is the case the data rate over the HDMI cable will be increasing as you exit BD playback and if your HDMI cable can't handle the higher data rate then you would lose the video.[/[/b]quote]

Well, here's a thought: from the reciever is a 6 ft cable + 35 ft in-wall +15 feet from wall to TV = 56 feet or 18 meters. From my knowledge, good 24 AWG cables (which is what I think I have installed) is only guaranteed to 15 meters, so I'm 3 meters/10 feet too long and I've no way of shortening this. I'm leery of HDMI 'extenders'; Are you aware of any such solution in use with good results? I have an external HDMI splitter but it's not a equalizer/booster so it's of no use in my situation. The cables themselves are good 1.3a certified, so they should be able to handle it.

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Can you please explain your screen name?

I have a PS3 Blue ray player with latest software update hooked up with 1.3 HDMI cables to a 1080p 120hz samsung 850 52inch HD tv. Settings in Both components have 1080P enabled as the highest resolution setting.
When I play a blue ray DVD disc and hit the info button on my tv remote...my samsung tv detects a signal of : "1920x1080@24Hz". With NO mention of 1080P !!? What's wrong or does that resolution ouput mean the samething as 1080P ?? thx, chris

yes, it does...

What Jim White said...

1080P just means 1080 horizontal scanlines and p stands for progressive scan (i.e. not interlaced). Your display would likely mention if is getting an interlaced signal (which would get deinterlaced anyway) and 1920x1080@24Hz means 1080p24 or the default for HD movie formats (i.e. HD DVD / Blu-ray).

If you want to play m2ts files directly from the PS3 via the XMB that is correct. If however, you author (and that's not convert) the m2ts to a AVCHD container and either store them as a directory on a FAT32 formatted HD or if small enough, burn to a DVD5/DVD9, then the PS3 should be able to play any audio content that it can play off a BD title.

TrueHD, DD+, DTS-HD Master would all be decoded to PCM and output over HDMI. It's just the limitation of the XMB that only provides the playback of DD audio.

No, I have tried and TRUE HD will not work on AVCHD. (These limitations don't make sense to me).

I put DTS-MA (and DTS) in AVCHD folders, no problem. I have read many other posts that confirm no TRUEHD in AVCHD on the ps3. I am assuming DD+ also will not work via AVCHD (but I don't have any DD+ titles to try.)

If you have a m2ts (or renamed m2t) file that only includes a DTS audio track do any of you know of Windows software that would allow you use your PC to convert the audio to PCM and remux into a new m2ts file. I would like use my PS3 as a client to play some HD videos from my PC acting as the server(running TVersity), but some of my HD video m2ts files only have DTS (no DD nor PCM audio track) and the PS3 wouldn't play the DTS audio tracks streamed across the LAN.

I guess there are (at least) two options you could consider

1. PS3 Media Server http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/ which can transcode DTS to AC3 on the fly (not sure if Tversity can do that)

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

2. Convert the DTS to AC3 and mux it back (if you plan to watch this content more than once). This is as simple as using eac3to

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966

eac3to dtsfile.m2ts dtsfile.ac3 which will extract the DTS file and convert to AC3 using open source code included in the distribution

Then mux the AC3 back with the video using tsmuxer

That's very interesting since my response was based on theory, not any practical experience. This intrigued me so I did the following

Popped a BD title in my BDROM drive and extracted one of the m2ts tracks (known to have TrueHD)

Muxed the m2ts track using tsmuxer and removed all tracks (including the DD core) and left on the TrueHD track and copied to a USB stick

Popped the USB stick into my PS3 and tried to play it. As you noted, there was no audio at all. I also put the same stick into my Popcorn Hour and it identified a TrueHD track but it cannot play it either (because the model Popcorn Hour I have does not have a TrueHD decoder not is able to bitstream HD codecs - HDMI 1.1 only)

That seems like a bug to me if the AVCHD container can hold DTS-HD Master. Must try with DD+ when I get the chance but since they are pretty much all on HD-DVD's backing up a track is going to be somewhat problemmatic!

[EDIT]

Just checked with a file I have that has a DD+ track (off a HD-DVD). Authored that to AVCHD and tried to play it in the PS3. With my output settings as Optical, got the DD track. With output settings HDMI for audio, there was no audio and pressing the triangle(?) key while playing showed no audio. So it seems at least from this test, the PS3 won't play either TrueHD or DD+ from a m2ts file in a AVCHD container which is really strange

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Yeah, I know.... It's just my last name with my first name's initial. It's nothing nasty! Needless to say I was in a few scuffles growing up over just that. Even my email adress sometimes gets blocked because of it.

I think that DTS-HD, and DTS might have accidently slipped in the PS3 when SONY added DTS-HD decoding a few firmware releases ago. My guess SONY is trying to cripple high-definition sound to only commercial releases to combat piracy (I don't know of any home video camera the encodes in loss-less TRUEHD or DTS-MA).

That's one theory. But you can always get around that (theoretically I guess) by decoding the TrueHD as PCM and muxing that back. Makes for much larger files but the PS3 should be able to play them.

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Could be worse. An old friend of mine has had to endure life with a given name of Richard. Surname Liss.

What were Mom & Dad thinking

please i need help i am new to the ps3 and i just bought a ps3 and its region 4 but all my dvds are region 1 is there any way to unlock or make it region free

No. Plus it if it's region 4 then it's going to be a PAL region PS3 and even if you had region free NTSC titles, the PS3 would not play them. The only way out of this is to rip the DVD main title as one file to a server and play it that way, or rip each vob file to a USB drive and play from the drive

Do I look for receivers that say "HDMI Repeater"? I'd like to find a receiver to replace mine, now that I have cable and PS3 HDMI sources for my Toshiba.

(I'm not sure I know what you consider "quite inexpensive".)

HDMI repeater might not do the job. That means that it will pass a signal through to the TV without alteration so a 1080p signal say, can be switched in the AVR to the TV.

Look for HDMI Audio. But I think full TrueHD and DTS-HD Master AVR's around are now in the low $300 range and there isn't much saving in getting one that can process HDMI audio but doesn't have the HD codecs.

I stumbled across this Denon spreadsheet. From what you say, it looks like the AVR-988 is the only one that has that.

http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR_3_Digit..._x88_v0408.pdf

This forum has some suggestions, but some of them don't seem to have the right specs.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...eiver-ps3.html

Without knowing your budget it's a bit difficult but the Sony 720 and the H/K 247/347 don't have internal decoders but accept multi-pcm. The H/K's can be had inexpensively refurbed. I'm sure there are many others I'm forgetting.

If you want to future proof yourself you could also look at this

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDG820-...4380759&sr=1-6

$320ish here and it does both LLCM audio plus the newer lossless codecs

Yes! That's what I'm looking for. I just looked at the manual and the HDMI inputs are both audio and video so there is no need for separate audio cables. And the manual is similar to my present Sony receiver, so it is an upgrade for me.

Thank you so much.

Different companies might advertise the decoding abilities differently. But what you absolutely want to AVOID are the receivers that say "HDMI audio passthrough". That means the receiver is incapable of doing anything with HDMI audio at all. As long as you don't see those words, you should be okay.