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post #3661 of 4476
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Originally Posted by dankfoot View Post

Maybe a stupid question.

I just upgraded to the latest firmware on my PS3. Is there any setting that should be changed with this?

Thanks

See the PS3 FAQ (post #2 of this thread) for the 3D setup. If you are not connected to a 3D TV then no changes are needed just because you installed firmware ver. 3.50.
post #3662 of 4476
Ratatouille blu-ray no longer plays glitch free on the PS3. One of the new firmware updates caused it. If you play the blu-ray using the PCM audio track at around the 12:00 mark the audio turns into a static screech sound for a few seconds and then goes back to normal. This does NOT happen when using the dolby digital track nor does it even happen on my Pioneer bdp-320 player when using the PCM track. Only occurs on my PS3 slim and I have found others who have tried it as well and in the same place as me get the same static. Is there someone at Sony to contact about this, email/phone #?
post #3663 of 4476
Just hooked up my Fat PS/3 to a new Denon AVR-3311CI.

Latest firmware on PS/3 3.50
My PS/3 audio output is setup to LPCM
Did the Auto setup on Audio Output Settings (and manual with same results)

I have no HD codecs listed under 'Audio Output Settings'? No True HD listed or DTS-HD. (just found out from batpig in a post in the Denon 3311 thread these won't display) My next question; should I see 'Dolby True-HD' displayed when I hit the info button on the PS/3 when playing either "I am Legend" or "Dark Knight"?

Any thoughts to why?

Thanks in advance..
post #3664 of 4476
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Originally Posted by pokey72 View Post

Just hooked up my Fat PS/3 to a new Denon AVR-3311CI.

Latest firmware on PS/3 3.50
My PS/3 audio output is setup to LPCM
Did the Auto setup on Audio Output Settings (and manual with same results)

I have no HD codecs listed under 'Audio Output Settings'? No True HD listed or DTS-HD. (just found out from batpig in a post in the Denon 3311 thread these won't display) My next question; should I see 'Dolby True-HD' displayed when I hit the info button on the PS/3 when playing either "I am Legend" or "Dark Knight"?

Any thoughts to why?

Thanks in advance..

Problem solved.
With help from the Denon 3311ci thread, just discovered the 'audio' button on my PS/3 remote. I'm an idiot! (lol)

For both movies mentioned above they are defaulting to the non-HD audio. Pressing the audio button changed the audio to True-HD format. I was looking for a setup menu like DVD's always had!
post #3665 of 4476
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Originally Posted by pokey72 View Post

For both movies mentioned above they are defaulting to the non-HD audio.

I don't have "I am Legend" but "The Dark Knight" does indeed default to DD 5.1.

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I was looking for a setup menu like DVD's always had!

Yeah, the Warner movies (at least all the ones I have so far) do that. They just go straight into movie. No main menu. Another option is to press the "Pop Up Menu" button on your remote. A menu like what you were expecting to see will, "pop up" from the bottom of the screen (while the movie is playing) and allow to choose all the things you normally would from a setup/main menu, including Dolby TrueHD as your audio track of choice.
post #3666 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Even if you have one of the few HDMI 1.3 AVRs that can pass-thru the 3D video from the PS3 (in Frame Packing signal format), the AVR will not be able to extract the audio since the Frame Packing format does not have the audio in the same place within the HDMI signal format as used with earlier versions of HDMI. You need to connect an optical audio cable (i.e., Toslink) from the PS3 to your AVR and go into the PS3 settings to change the digital audio output to optical (instead of HDMI). Also on your AVR will will need to set the audio input to the specific optical input you have used to connect to the PS3. Downloaded 3D videos are not really Blu-rays as they have been altered in order to reduce the file size (40+ GB for a true Blu-ray 3D movie) and downloads are are not using the full 1080p resolution HDMI 1.4a frame packing format used by true Blu-ray 3D discs (i.e., downloads don't provide the video quality of an actual Blu-ray 3D).

Where did you find that info? I looked for a technical explanation for a while but found nothing.
post #3667 of 4476
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Originally Posted by crakarjax View Post

Where did you find that info? I looked for a technical explanation for a while but found nothing.

I guess the only definitive source would be to review the HDMI 1.4a spec. to see the differences to the HDMI 1.3a format when frame packing 3D modes is in use. Unfortunately these full specs. are only available for download from www.hdmi.org by implementers that are paying members (the 3D excerpt of the spec. is available to everyone, but not the sections that define the overall signal structure and audio signal sections). I have seen one or two postings by people that claim to have seen the HDMI 1.4a spec. state the audio appears at a different place in the overall HDMI format when using Frame Packing and this seems quite reasonable given the additional information being conveyed to support the 3D video related info. I have not independently verified this however. But its my understanding that the whole idea of a pass-thru mode found on some HDMI 1.3a equipped AVRs, is to allow the AVR to simply act as a very simple HDMI switch connecting the selected HDMI input to the HDMI output. In this mode the AVR does not need to actively participate in the negotiation of the HDMI capabilities to be supported by the connected devices. Thus when a HDMI 1.4a equipped 3DTV display is connected to the output and a Blu-ray 3D player is connected to the input, the AVR will simply pass the display's EDID information in the HDMI handshake back to the BD 3D player and the player's EDID to the 3DTV display. In this way the BD 3D player will know that is can provide a HDMI 1.4a compatible 3D output which the 3DTV display will correctly understand. However the AVR is not expected to be able to decode any of the video or audio contents of this signal, which in this example is in a HDMI signal format of a later revision than is understood by the AVR.

If the AVR were to actively provide HDMI switching and audio/video decoding it is supposed to include its own EDID information in the exchange with the 3DTV and the Blu-ray 3D player which, with this example, would both learn that only HDMI 1.3a is supported and both would use the backwards compatiblity feature of HDMI to limited their audio and video capabilities to only those supported by HDMI 1.3a (i.e., with no support for 3D formats).

In any case when the PS3 is playing Blu-ray 3D discs it will downconvert the lossless audio formats to standard Dolby Digital or DTS. As a result you will still get the full available audio that the PS3 is capable of by using the optical connection from the PS3 to the AVR when playing Blu-ray 3D titles. However, when playing 2D blurays you will probably want to go into the PS3 setup menu and change the PS3's audio output back to HDMI so that your AVR will receive and decode the lossless audio from the PS3.
post #3668 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post


I guess the only definitive source would be to review the HDMI 1.4a spec. to see the differences to the HDMI 1.3a format when frame packing 3D modes is in use. Unfortunately these full specs. are only available for download from www.hdmi.org by implementers that are paying members (the 3D excerpt of the spec. is available to everyone, but not the sections that define the overall signal structure and audio signal sections). I have seen one or two postings by people that claim to have seen the HDMI 1.4a spec. state the audio appears at a different place in the overall HDMI format when using Frame Packing and this seems quite reasonable given the additional information being conveyed to support the 3D video related info. I have not independently verified this however. But its my understanding that the whole idea of a pass-thru mode found on some HDMI 1.3a equipped AVRs, is to allow the AVR to simply act as a very simple HDMI switch connecting the selected HDMI input to the HDMI output. In this mode the AVR does not need to actively participate in the negotiation of the HDMI capabilities to be supported by the connected devices. Thus when a HDMI 1.4a equipped 3DTV display is connected to the output and a Blu-ray 3D player is connected to the input, the AVR will simply pass the display's EDID information in the HDMI handshake back to the BD 3D player and the player's EDID to the 3DTV display. In this way the BD 3D player will know that is can provide a HDMI 1.4a compatible 3D output which the 3DTV display will correctly understand. However the AVR is not expected to be able to decode any of the video or audio contents of this signal, which in this example is in a HDMI signal format of a later revision than is understood by the AVR.

If the AVR were to actively provide HDMI switching and audio/video decoding it is supposed to include its own EDID information in the exchange with the 3DTV and the Blu-ray 3D player which, with this example, would both learn that only HDMI 1.3a is supported and both would use the backwards compatiblity feature of HDMI to limited their audio and video capabilities to only those supported by HDMI 1.3a (i.e., with no support for 3D formats).

In any case when the PS3 is playing Blu-ray 3D discs it will downconvert the lossless audio formats to standard Dolby Digital or DTS. As a result you will still get the full available audio that the PS3 is capable of by using the optical connection from the PS3 to the AVR when playing Blu-ray 3D titles. However, when playing 2D blurays you will probably want to go into the PS3 setup menu and change the PS3's audio output back to HDMI so that your AVR will receive and decode the lossless audio from the PS3.

Wow so u are saying we should have simultaneous hdmi and tisslink to get video 3D and audio loss less?
post #3669 of 4476
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

Wow so u are saying we should have simultaneous hdmi and tisslink to get video 3D and audio loss less?

No - you can never get lossless audio via toslink nor can the PS3 support lossless even via HDMI when providing 3D video. I'm saying that since the PS3 does not support lossless in combination with 3D video, then the use of toslink for the audio connection to the AVR for getting the available regular Dolby Digital and DTS is no worse than getting these same formats via HDMI (since that's the best the PS3 can do when playing 3D discs).

One clarification on my earlier post: Since the PS3 when playing 3D video, only outputs std. Dolby Digital and DTS perhaps some HDMI 1.3a AVRs in HDMI pass-thru mode may still be able to decode the audio, but with other Blu-ray 3D players that do support the lossless audio along with 3D video in Frame Packing format, its my understanding that (at least) the lossless audio is placed at a different place in the HDMI signal structure with HDMI 1.4a as compared to HDMI 1.3 and such HDMI 1.3 equipped AVRs are not expected to be able to decode the audio.
post #3670 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

I guess the only definitive source would be to review the HDMI 1.4a spec. to see the differences to the HDMI 1.3a format when frame packing 3D modes is in use. Unfortunately these full specs. are only available for download from www.hdmi.org by implementers that are paying members (the 3D excerpt of the spec. is available to everyone, but not the sections that define the overall signal structure and audio signal sections).

Take a gander:
http://www.socsky.com/wp-content/upl...4_Final_3D.pdf
post #3671 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

No - you can never get lossless audio via toslink nor can the PS3 support lossless even via HDMI when providing 3D video. I'm saying that since the PS3 does not support lossless in combination with 3D video, then the use of toslink for the audio connection to the AVR for getting the available regular Dolby Digital and DTS is no worse than getting these same formats via HDMI (since that's the best the PS3 can do when playing 3D discs).

One clarification on my earlier post: Since the PS3 when playing 3D video, only outputs std. Dolby Digital and DTS perhaps some HDMI 1.3a AVRs in HDMI pass-thru mode may still be able to decode the audio, but with other Blu-ray 3D players that do support the lossless audio along with 3D video in Frame Packing format, its my understanding that (at least) the lossless audio is placed at a different place in the HDMI signal structure with HDMI 1.4a as compared to HDMI 1.3 and such HDMI 1.3 equipped AVRs are not expected to be able to decode the audio.

Imho, it is easy to change Ps3 than buying a new receiver
post #3672 of 4476
Anyone get the new PS3/netflix without a disc update yet? I'm not sure if that's an update they will push or an app to download.
post #3673 of 4476
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Originally Posted by crakarjax View Post

Anyone get the new PS3/netflix without a disc update yet? I'm not sure if that's an update they will push or an app to download.

I thought that wasn't coming until the 18th or 19th.
post #3674 of 4476
18th
post #3675 of 4476
Well, color me excited! Can't wait to throw that disc in the trash.
post #3676 of 4476
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Originally Posted by crakarjax View Post

Well, color me excited! Can't wait to throw that disc in the trash.

YES Wait until October 18th.

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...5.1_and_1080i/
post #3677 of 4476
i could do it now, i don't use my PS3 for Netflix.
post #3678 of 4476
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

i could do it now, i don't use my PS3 for Netflix.

I didn't use my PS3 for NF streaming, either. Not only was the requirement that one use the NF disc a royal pain, the PS3 user interface for NF streaming is significantly inferior to TiVo's. I am going to give the PS3 another try, though, because doing so might be worthwhile for 5.1 audio and subtitles on some films. I think that the difference in PQ between 720p and 1080i is pretty small. Of course if the new resolution turns out to be 1080p, I'll be more interested.
post #3679 of 4476
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I didn't use my PS3 for NF streaming, either. Not only was the requirement that one use the NF disc a royal pain, the PS3 user interface for NF streaming is significantly inferior to TiVo's. I am going to give the PS3 another try, though, because doing so might be worthwhile for 5.1 audio and subtitles on some films. I think that the difference in PQ between 720p and 1080i is pretty small. Of course if the new resolution turns out to be 1080p, I'll be more interested.

On my HDTiVo I find it the opposite: the PS3 is much easier to choose what movie to watch and the ability to see what bitrate you're watching the is also handy. Now w/1080i and 5.1 it's a no-brainer. Plus you can search and add movies to your que on the PS3 - can't remember if you can do that yet on the Tivo.
post #3680 of 4476
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Of course if the new resolution turns out to be 1080p, I'll be more interested.

This is an update indicating 1080p

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/14/n...-and-5-1-surr/
post #3681 of 4476
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

This is an update indicating 1080p

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/14/n...-and-5-1-surr/

That was changed yesterday, and there's still no word from Netflix on any resolution increase, only the addition of DDP audio.
post #3682 of 4476
Is the Network streaming configurable to allow high def streaming with a slower connection, or, is your resolution determined by whatever the system detects the available bandwidth to be?
post #3683 of 4476
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Originally Posted by aydu View Post

Is the Network streaming configurable to allow high def streaming with a slower connection, or, is your resolution determined by whatever the system detects the available bandwidth to be?

The latter, you can check the bandwidth from your local Netflix CDN here.
post #3684 of 4476
I admin I didn't read the whole thread, but a quick search didn't yield any results.

I have PS3 Slim and planning to put an HDMI splitter for one output to TV and one output to AV Receiver.

The reason is so I don't need to turn on my AV Receiver all the time if I just want to do quick gaming, browse pictures, etc. But in the time of watching movies, I can still pass Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA to the receivers.

I'm just wondering if anyone has done this. And if so, what's your recommendation for the 1x2 HDMI Splitter.

Thank you.
post #3685 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Kodok View Post

I admin I didn't read the whole thread, but a quick search didn't yield any results.

I have PS3 Slim and planning to put an HDMI splitter for one output to TV and one output to AV Receiver.

The reason is so I don't need to turn on my AV Receiver all the time if I just want to do quick gaming, browse pictures, etc. But in the time of watching movies, I can still pass Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA to the receivers.

I'm just wondering if anyone has done this. And if so, what's your recommendation for the 1x2 HDMI Splitter.

Thank you.

Monoprice splitters have worked very well for me. This is the "next generation" of the one I've been using for a couple years without problem. With the one I am using, the switch will negotiate/handshake for the lowest resolution connected to the device. For instance, in one place I've got both 1080P and 720P TVs connected. The max resolution the device will handshake for is 720P, regardless if the 720P TV is on/off. Many people miss this and think something is wrong. Unplugging the HDMI cable to the 720P TV(s) results in a 1080P handshake.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...t=1#largeimage
post #3686 of 4476
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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

Monoprice splitters have worked very well for me. This is the "next generation" of the one I've been using for a couple years without problem. With the one I am using, the switch will negotiate/handshake for the lowest resolution connected to the device. For instance, in one place I've got both 1080P and 720P TVs connected. The max resolution the device will handshake for is 720P, regardless if the 720P TV is on/off. Many people miss this and think something is wrong. Unplugging the HDMI cable to the 720P TV(s) results in a 1080P handshake.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...t=1#largeimage

Thanks for the reply. Did you try hooking it up to an AV Receiver and TV ? My concern is that the PS3 senses the TV presents so it will only output 2 channels instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA.
post #3687 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Kodok View Post

I admin I didn't read the whole thread, but a quick search didn't yield any results.

I have PS3 Slim and planning to put an HDMI splitter for one output to TV and one output to AV Receiver.

The reason is so I don't need to turn on my AV Receiver all the time if I just want to do quick gaming, browse pictures, etc. But in the time of watching movies, I can still pass Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA to the receivers.

I'm just wondering if anyone has done this. And if so, what's your recommendation for the 1x2 HDMI Splitter.

Thank you.

Let me know if u find one good one?I used one expensive one but only did 1080p no 5.1 was defaulting to stereo darn
post #3688 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Kodok View Post


Thanks for the reply. Did you try hooking it up to an AV Receiver and TV ? My concern is that the PS3 senses the TV presents so it will only output 2 channels instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA.

Exact same issue here
post #3689 of 4476
The Netflix app is available for download (under the video section of the XMB). It's only 19MB, so it downloads quickly. The bad news is that you get an error saying the service isn't available yet when you try to run it.
post #3690 of 4476
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Originally Posted by Kodok View Post

Thanks for the reply. Did you try hooking it up to an AV Receiver and TV ? My concern is that the PS3 senses the TV presents so it will only output 2 channels instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA.

Not sure I understand your question. Do you mean having the receiver and the TV(s) on the output side of the splitter? I don't have a receiver that decodes from HDMI in this location. I use the TOS link from the PS3 out to the receiver in the main area and only use the TV speakers on the other two devices connected. The TOS link provides Dolby or DTS to the receiver as expected in this case.

Much like the way the device negotiates resolution down based on what is connected, I would logically assume it would do the same for the sound. However, it may work if you go from the PS3 to the receiver for decode and then from the receiver to the splitter to the TV(s). Just guessing on this however.
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